dogy graphics or is it low wattage psu?

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basically, what i have done is bought a new graphics card, yea i know if i
give details of what card i bought, you lot are gonna say its not a new its
an old one, its a geforce fx5600, agp*8, when i installed it on my computer,
it all started well. then i installed the driver, now after a restart, this
is where the problem lies, it came up saying there was insufficient power to
the card, and i then switched off the computer and added the lead to the
connector which is on the new graphics card, restarted, and all is ok-ish,
with no more asaid console warning me of lack of power to the card. but one
major problem is still there, the system is so sluggish, its unbelievable, i
have a psu and went into the bios, and saw that the 12v rail had dropped to
11.655v, now does that mean i need new power supply to feed this hungry
behemoth of a graphics card? it is currently a 400w psu
 
Squibbly said:
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basically, what i have done is bought a new graphics card, yea i know if i
give details of what card i bought, you lot are gonna say its not a new its
an old one, its a geforce fx5600, agp*8, when i installed it on my computer,
it all started well. then i installed the driver, now after a restart, this
is where the problem lies, it came up saying there was insufficient power to
the card, and i then switched off the computer and added the lead to the
connector which is on the new graphics card, restarted, and all is ok-ish,
with no more asaid console warning me of lack of power to the card. but one
major problem is still there, the system is so sluggish, its unbelievable, i
have a psu and went into the bios, and saw that the 12v rail had dropped to
11.655v, now does that mean i need new power supply to feed this hungry
behemoth of a graphics card? it is currently a 400w psu
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For "sluggish", I suggest getting a copy of Powerstrip from Entechtaiwan.com .
There is an evaluation period, after which you'd have to pay for the
software, but it should run long enough for you to get your new card
tuned up. (If the card was from ATI, you could use the SmartGART panel
to do the same kind of checks. Right off hand, I don't know if the Nview
Control Panel has any info like this or not.)

The only function I use, is this one:

http://www.playtool.com/pages/agpfix/powerstrip2.gif

Basically, you want to check that the transfer mechanism is not "Disabled".
Either DMA (direct memory access) or DIME (direct in memory execution)
tells you that you are accelerated.

I don't believe that "sluggish" is related to power. "Sluggish" can be:

1) Some process on the computer is running at 100% and sucking up your cycles.
That happened to me just an hour ago :-)
2) Processor cache is disabled.
3) A driver problem. You need:
a) Chipset drivers, so the AGP slot is actually recognized as AGP.
b) Video card driver, so DirectX/OpenGL calls follow an accelerated path.
c) DirectX9, cause otherwise your new games aren't likely to load
Missing a step, can leave you "half-accelerated".
4) Disk drive in PIO mode. That only affects the load time
for the game, and would be less likely to affect game play
in mid level.

Also, the correct procedure for installing a video card, is to remove
the video card driver for the old video card, *before* you power
down and remove the old card. Even if changing from one Nvidia card
to another, you still have to remove the driver, and re-install
on the reboot after the new card is installed.

If you want comments on whether your power supply is big enough, please
give a full hardware inventory. Minus 5% tolerance on 12V is 11.4V, and
you are still above 11.4V, so you are OK for now.

HTH,
Paul
 
the point is that i will start up, and pass the menu part, but after it has
loaded up other things like messenger and BOINC (seti) virus scanner and
gmail icon and skype, but then it will start being sluggish and wont do much
other than just hang, i tried clicking on the items in the quicklaunch, but
its not clickable whenever i tried to do other things it just wont do
anything

the only way i can turn off my puter is to press the restart button then
hold the power button for 4 secs then it will turn off
 
Squibbly said:
the point is that i will start up, and pass the menu part, but after it
has loaded up other things like messenger and BOINC (seti) virus scanner
and gmail icon and skype, but then it will start being sluggish and wont
do much other than just hang, i tried clicking on the items in the
quicklaunch, but its not clickable whenever i tried to do other things it
just wont do anything
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Messed with the virtual memory?
if not, my guess would be memory/PSU masquerading as memory problem
 
well talk of the devil, it has happened again, this time after playing call
of duty 2, i tried to launch my tv tuner card application, and the computer
just hunged there, i had to restart it again, and the problem arised again,
after the welcome screen, just loaded half the stuff and just hung, this is
absolutely driving me mad
 
Your 12 volts must measure above 11.7. This is a number higher than
specs because of how meters measure and of how some power supply
failures occur.

Meanwhile, the monitor can only report changes. Without being first
calibrated with a 3.5 digit multimeter, you will not know with
certainty what those voltages really are.

Either way, a new power supply is required. Either the power supply
is slowly failing or its new load to too large. That excessive load or
excessive ripple voltage is on 12 volt output - assuming the monitor
voltage is calibrated by using a meter.

Meanwhile, what are voltages on 5VSB, 5V, and 3.3V? Those numbers
also provide additional information.
 
w_tom said:
Your 12 volts must measure above 11.7.
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Mindlessly silly.
This is a number higher than specs because of how meters
measure and of how some power supply failures occur.
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More drivel from this clown that has never ever had a clue.
Meanwhile, the monitor can only report changes.
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Wrong, as always.
Without being first calibrated with a 3.5 digit multimeter, you
will not know with certainty what those voltages really are.
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And even after doing that, you still dont unless you use the multimeter.
Either way, a new power supply is required.
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You dont know that yet.
Either the power supply is slowly failing or its new load to too large.
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Or that.
That excessive load or excessive ripple voltage is on 12 volt output
- assuming the monitor voltage is calibrated by using a meter.
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Or that.
Meanwhile, what are voltages on 5VSB, 5V, and 3.3V?
Those numbers also provide additional information.
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Pathetic, really.
 
the other voltages are ok, the 5v etc.....

w_tom said:
Your 12 volts must measure above 11.7. This is a number higher than
specs because of how meters measure and of how some power supply
failures occur.

Meanwhile, the monitor can only report changes. Without being first
calibrated with a 3.5 digit multimeter, you will not know with
certainty what those voltages really are.

Either way, a new power supply is required. Either the power supply
is slowly failing or its new load to too large. That excessive load or
excessive ripple voltage is on 12 volt output - assuming the monitor
voltage is calibrated by using a meter.

Meanwhile, what are voltages on 5VSB, 5V, and 3.3V? Those numbers
also provide additional information.
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have you got to say anything to dispute this? if so i would like to hear
your input, no im not dissing you, i just want to hear what you have to say,
if you dont mind
 
Squibbly said:
have you got to say anything to dispute this?
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I already did.
if so i would like to hear your input, no im not dissing you, i just want to hear what you have to
say, if you dont mind
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Interleaved below.


Like I said, mindlessly silly, the official
specs are fine and that is a min of 11.4

Essentially because the onboard monitor only has 8 bit accuracy
and so even when it indicates a problem, there isnt necessarily a
problem and the only way to measure it properly is with a multimeter.

The power supply appears to be adequate given the voltage
measurement if you get that with a multimeter, and you likely would.

The slowdown problem appears to be something else and others
have adequately pointed out how to work out where that problem is.

No evidence of that, and it certainly wont be whats producing the slowdown.

Bet they dont on the slowdown.

 
i cant really prove this, but i think when it tries to load up the nvidia
control panel, also, i have no control on how this as i cant access this due
to the slowdown behaviour, to the system tray, how would i go about this to
prove that when it tries to load up that silly icon on the system tray?
 
Squibbly said:
i cant really prove this, but i think when it tries to load up the
nvidia control panel, also, i have no control on how this as i cant
access this due to the slowdown behaviour, to the system tray,
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Urk, didnt realise that the slowdown was as bad as that.
how would i go about this to prove that when it tries to load up that silly icon on the system
tray?
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If its that, it should run normally in safe mode.

While in safe mode, check what's run at start time in normal mode.
 
Squibbly said:
the other voltages are ok, the 5v etc.....
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What you regard as 'good' is insufficient information. Where in the
'good' range are those voltages? Numbers can provide information you
don't even realize as significant. Voltage numbers from four wires
(purple, red, orange, and yellow) are required for useful replies.
Those numbers, accurate to three digits, should be posted.
 
you don't have the option to rid yourself of the control panel applet?
MSCONFIG and eliminate TSRs and programs until the system comes back....or
task manager and look at CPU usage and then check which process is gobblin
stuff up...lost track of the thread so if you covered this..apologies
 
just to let you lot know that im in contact with the manufacturer and will
let you know what they recomend for me to do
 
just to say i found out what it was, it was neither graphics or psu, it was
an agp driver for me mobo, yup those ones included in the 4 in 1 from via,
sweating like a pig i was, lol
must remember when scrubbing this current installation to install the
drivers, have a happy new year you lot
 
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