Does this board accept IDE drives?

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Pardon if this sounds like an elementary question, but looking at boards
like this

http://www.abit-usa.com/products/mb/techspec.php?categories=1&model=79

It mentions Serial ATA RAID. I'm a bit fuzzy on exactly what RAID is, will a
board like this accomodate IDE drives - for example a typical 7200 rpm 160
gig drive?
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You're not pardoned. " Elementary questions" are not
appropriate to post to several newsgroups.

You should not be expecting all these newsgroups to go out
of their way to do for you what you could do yourself with a
simple Google search. This is in fact covered in many
usenet FAQ, polices, TOS and is considered proper etiquette.
If you used Google you would see this is true, I did not
write these documents you would find.

Now an almost on-topic comment. Just like determination of
whether a board supports PATA, Google will educate you about
RAID, too. Search engines are wonderful tools for basic
information like this, it is one of the core purposes for
their existance, while the core purpose for the segregation
of usenet groups is to reduce the # of posts per group to
on-topic information that is not available with a simple
search, not to give someone an extra 20 characters to type
each time they have a remotely related "elementary
question".

The board supports 2 channels, 4 PATA devices including
optical drives and/or your aforementioned 160GB drive. This
was noted on the page you linked by "2 x Ultra DMA 33/66/100
Connectors".
 
"Doc" said:
Pardon if this sounds like an elementary question, but looking at boards
like this

http://www.abit-usa.com/products/mb/techspec.php?categories=1&model=79

It mentions Serial ATA RAID. I'm a bit fuzzy on exactly what RAID is, will a
board like this accomodate IDE drives - for example a typical 7200 rpm 160
gig drive?

Thanks
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RAID binds together a number of disk drives into an array. The
array looks like one drive to the OS. The array can feature
enhanced transfer rate (drives chugging in parallel), can feature
enhanced reliability (more than one drive holds the same info),
or a combination of both. In general, RAID is more trouble than
it is worth. You still need to do backups, as RAID can still
fail on you in a spectacular fashion - RAID is not a substitute
for doing backups regularly.

" - Intel 865PE / ICH5-R RAID
- 2 x Ultra DMA 33/66/100 Connectors
- 2 x Serial ATA 150 RAID Connectors "

There are two connectors for ribbon cables, supporting four disk drives.
The maximum transfer rate on those is UDMA5 (100MB/sec).

There are two SATA connectors for new SATA drives. Either a 1.5Gbit/sec
or a 3Gbit/sec drive could be connected, but the drive would have
to operate at 1.5Gbit/sec (most come jumpered correctly that way
from the factory, to prevent problems like this).

The chipset can handle large drives (>137GB/sec), as long as you
are using the correct service pack for Windows. Generally, Win2K
or WinXP or later would be recommended for that.

The chipset supports RAID or non-RAID configurations. You can use
six separate drives if you want, in total.

If you have an older OS, like Win98SE, you can use the "Compatible"
disk setting. You are allowed to use four drives total in that mode,
out of the six possible drive connections. That would be the
two ribbon cables, or one ribbon cable and two SATA drives.

In terms of drivers, if you aren't using RAID, you should not
need to install a driver via F6 when installing or repairing
the existing boot disk. Win2K SP4 or WinXP SP1 or later should
be sufficient, for a large drive, without adding a driver.
Using a slipstreamed installer CD (made via "autostreamer")
makes this easier.

If you plan on making a RAID array from the boot disk in the
future, read the "RAID Ready" section here. You can install
a single disk drive, use the RAID driver, and the single drive
runs in a non-RAID mode today. Then, via migration, it is possible
to add a second disk later. This doc is a very early one, and
other possible modes may be supported by the RAID driver now.
But if you don't use the RAID driver now, you cannot install the
RAID driver later, as the chipset won't be in RAID mode at the
time, and there will be no way to get the driver to install.
So while this doc is not the whole answer, it suggests you do
more research before your OS install, if you plan on using
RAID in the future.

ftp://download.intel.com/support/chipsets/iaa_raid/IAAR_Quick_Start.pdf

See leftmost column "ICH5R" here - driver is called Matrix
Storage Manager:
http://www.intel.com/support/chipsets/imsm/sb/cs-020674.htm

Paul
 
Doc said:
Pardon if this sounds like an elementary question, but looking at boards
like this

http://www.abit-usa.com/products/mb/techspec.php?categories=1&model=79

It mentions Serial ATA RAID. I'm a bit fuzzy on exactly what RAID is, will a
board like this accomodate IDE drives - for example a typical 7200 rpm 160
gig drive?
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You've actually asked more questions here than you realize.

SATA is the successor technology to IDE. If you're also going to be
buying new disks, you should try to get SATA disks.

RAID is a family of ways to combine multiple disk drives to improve
speed, reliability, or both. RAID 0 makes two physical disks act like
a single big disk, giving you double the transfer rate. But it
doesn't give you any extra reliability, and if you lose either disk
you lose your whole filesystem.

The current flavor of good ol' IDE Ultra DMA, or UDMA. The web page
says it also supports UDMA at up to UDMA 100.
 
Vanguard said:
On that very same page, it also mentions:

Internal I/O Connectors
- 2 x Ultra DMA 33/66/100 Connectors
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Ah, so that's what indicates it takes the type of drive I'm referring to?
Okay. Thanks.
 
You're not pardoned.
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Hey pal, go ahead and killfile me. I'll be more than happen to take the
chance that I can live the rest of my life without benefit of your "wisdom".

Especially since it's clear you're not too bright anyway. You haven't
noticed your previous whining hasn't had any effect.
 
Hey pal, go ahead and killfile me. I'll be more than happen to take the
chance that I can live the rest of my life without benefit of your "wisdom".
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Who are you trying to kid?

You already knew you were being selfish, to everyone
involved, that you didn't want everyone to killfile you, on
the contrary you wanted everyone to read the piddly basic
question you were too lazy to research yourself. If it were
the first time, it might be excusable. Second time? Maybe
still, but time after time, after being reminded of search
engines, it's just pathetic.

Especially since it's clear you're not too bright anyway. You haven't
noticed your previous whining hasn't had any effect.
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Of course it has, you are irritated at being realized as an
idiot mulitple times, and have sunken to insults instead of
just getting with the program and researching basic
information like anyone else with a little common sense and
a grasp of etiquette.

We both know it has nothing to do with your current post
though, you were too self absorbed to ever bother learning
the basics of education in the first place, hence why you
are now asking such rudimentary questions when the most
comprehensive research and data depository ever known to
mankind is only one click away.

If ever there was a truely stupid human being it is one that
was not only led to information over and over again, but one
that rebelled against it and chose to be a burden upon
others instead. Oh wait, there's an even dumber person than
that- one who was reminded of this then wrote "not too
bright" to the person suggesting a method to find
information on their own instead of acting like a 4 year old
that needs to be told everything.
 
"korny" scolded:
If ever there was a truely stupid human being it is one that
was not only led to information over and over again, but one
that rebelled against it and chose to be a burden upon
others instead. Oh wait, there's an even dumber person than
that- one who was reminded of this then wrote "not too
bright" to the person suggesting a method to find
information on their own instead of acting like a 4 year old
that needs to be told everything.
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Aw quit yer yappin'. You're just an old scold. All you do is
clog up the Google archives with your spew.

*TimDaniels*
 
Doc said:
Hey pal, go ahead and killfile me. I'll be more than happen to take
the
chance that I can live the rest of my life without benefit of your
"wisdom".

Especially since it's clear you're not too bright anyway. You haven't
noticed your previous whining hasn't had any effect.
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Actually you chose to lambast one of the smarter regulars here (but now
YOU get to guess which is the group to which you cross-posted where Kony
is a regular). He knows his stuff. He also knows how to post. You
don't ... not yet. Since you are new at building computers, you might
as well as figure out now on how to post since you will be back asking
more questions. There is rarely a need to cross-post even when your
message might be on-topic to several groups. Rather than shotgun blast
your post across multiple groups, choose the best one and focus there.
In fact, you didn't even pick an abit newsgroup to post a question
regarding an abit motherboard.

Why and How to Cross-post
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/usenet/xpost.html

Kony went on with a tirade about searching because someone asking a
question should exert *some* of their own effort before using others for
a quick fix. When my family asks for help, the first thing I ask them
is what THEY did to fix the problem on their own BEFORE asking me. They
should do *something* themselves first. Lazy kids firing knee-jerk
questions at their parents don't get respect. Those exhibiting lack of
initiative don't get respect. If you are going to build your own
computers, you'll need more initiative, especially to get more education
on the components. The fact that you could not recognize that the specs
for the Ultra ATA ports were for IDE devices means that you really
aren't equipped to be building your own computer. The information was
on the same web page that you mentioned but you didn't have enough skill
to recognize the information. Abit, as with many makers, provide
manuals with their products and even have a copy on their web site but
you didn't bother to read those.

Before jumping in to slap together the components, get *some* education
regarding those components. At this point, you don't have the expertise
to understand the specs to know how to choose which components to put
into your computer. Slapping together the components for the modular,
low-end, consumer-grade "personal" boxes is easy. Troubleshooting them
is hard. There are lots of sites offering tutorials or help on
computers. Try visiting www.pcguide.com and skim through it to get some
background. While Google is wonderful at finding tidbits of info, it
helps to find a site that pulls it all together. There are plenty of
other useful sites, like http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/tutorials/.
Sacrifice a couple evenings of mind-numbing television and read up on
the hardware. If you are going to build your own computers, you will
need more education (and initiative to find it) on what it is that you
are building. If a product has a manual, read it first (many are
actually comprehendible); i.e., RTFM. Others shouldn't have to read the
manual to you.
 
Actually you chose to lambast one of the smarter regulars here
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Yeah, blah blah blah... I don't care how "smart" he allegedly is. Sorry if
he's a friend of yours, and I appreciate your input but I don't suffer
whiney assmonkey netkops. I told him to get stuffed before, he chooses to
continue, so he gets more of the same. I've kf'd him now.

Rather than shotgun blast
your post across multiple groups, choose the best one and focus there.
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Why should I try to guess which one is "the best" when there are numerous
that are in the right ballpark? The capability for crossposting is there
for a reason. If you don't agree, okay you don't agree. It's not required
that you do. I notice you didn't have anything to say about it until I told
Kony to get stuffed.

Before jumping in to slap together the components, get *some* education
regarding those components.
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That's what I'm doing. I'm not only asking on here. However certain things
aren't always obvious just by "reading about it." Before throwing down money
only to find I've gotten the wrong item, I'm asking questions. Those who
don't feel motivated to answer aren't required to.
 
Doc said:
Ah, so that's what indicates it takes the type of drive I'm referring to?
Okay. Thanks.
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Yes, and that's exactly what Kony answered to you at the end of his
response to your question in the first place.
The board supports 2 channels, 4 PATA devices including
optical drives and/or your aforementioned 160GB drive. This
was noted on the page you linked by "2 x Ultra DMA 33/66/100
Connectors".
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Unfortunately, you only see what it is you perceive as the negative rather
than look at any positive information you've gained.
 
Jan Alter said:
Yes, and that's exactly what Kony answered to you at the end of his
response to your question in the first place.
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Which I didn't bother reading after about the first two lines, for reasons
previously outlined. In an arena where I don't have to put up with a horse's
ass, I don't. He's a horse's ass, I don't care what he does or doesn't
know. If you don't agree with my rationale, can't help that.
 
Why should I try to guess which one is "the best" when there are numerous
that are in the right ballpark? The capability for crossposting is there
for a reason.
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yes, for advanced questions that may need input from
slightly different disciplines.

There is never a need to post to so many for an elementary
question, any one of them would be able to answer if
remotely on topic, you did not need the "best" group.
 
...can't help that.
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Of course you could.
It comes down to a fundamental choice. You choose to be
ignorant and a burden instead of doing your own work like
everyone else.
 
"korny" scolded:


Aw quit yer yappin'. You're just an old scold. All you do is
clog up the Google archives with your spew.
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I'm sure someone Googling for "spew" will find your post
invaluable Tim.
 
Doc is absolutely right. You should kill file him. Of course the correct
term is Block Sender, but he wouldn't know that.

I already have. I don't have time for him.

Todd
 
In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc Doc said:
Pardon if this sounds like an elementary question, but looking at boards
like this

It mentions Serial ATA RAID. I'm a bit fuzzy on exactly what RAID is, will a
board like this accomodate IDE drives - for example a typical 7200 rpm 160
gig drive?
Click to expand...

It will. The line

2 x Ultra DMA 33/66/100 Connectors

in the specs tells you that. These are the "normal" ATA connectors.

Arno
 
Doc said:
Yeah, blah blah blah... I don't care how "smart" he allegedly is.
Sorry if
he's a friend of yours, and I appreciate your input but I don't suffer
whiney assmonkey netkops. I told him to get stuffed before, he
chooses to
continue, so he gets more of the same. I've kf'd him now.




Why should I try to guess which one is "the best" when there are
numerous
that are in the right ballpark? The capability for crossposting is
there
for a reason. If you don't agree, okay you don't agree. It's not
required
that you do. I notice you didn't have anything to say about it until
I told
Kony to get stuffed.



That's what I'm doing. I'm not only asking on here. However certain
things
aren't always obvious just by "reading about it." Before throwing down
money
only to find I've gotten the wrong item, I'm asking questions. Those
who
don't feel motivated to answer aren't required to.
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Plonking someone due to dislikes engendered within a single thread is a
bit extreme and immature. It's just one thread, one discussion, and yet
you are plonking him already. Not until after awhile of lurking or
having problems over several discussions should you decide to killfile
another poster. Best is to search Google Groups on their last dozen or
so posts to see if they have ever provided any benefit in their past
posts; i.e., check their history. Just because you don't get along with
someone else doesn't mean you still can't use them. Even when you
disagree, often you can still get some gems of info from them. I've
argued with Alan Connor, Kadiatcha Man, and several others but
occasionally they'll state something of interest even if I'm just
lurking and don't bother to participate ("interesting" does NOT mean
that I agree with them or that they are correct but they may spur me
into some research).

Killfiling on a first meeting pretty much illustrates that your ego is
too thin-skinned. Participating on Usenet requires a bit of armor on
your ego. Due to its anonymity, Usenet engenders more rudeness than do
face to face encounters with strangers (because you are less safe
physically). It is NOT a place for wimps practicing political
correctness. If you disagree, your choice is rebuttal (but be equipped
to rebuke, else you are a peurile poster that has already lost their
argument) or just ignore them. Once you've been around Usenet for
awhile, you may even get into it with another poster but remember to do
it for fun. After all, we're all strangers to each other so are you
really going to get emotionally distraught because some stranger said
something that you don't like? Do you get enraged because someone
bumped into you at the supermarket? Usenet is a worldwide community so
you will meet all types there. You may decide to killfile some posters
to reduce the noise in a group where you lurk or participate but make an
informed decision rather than from petulance.

If you are going to remain in Usenet, get used to enjoying arguments.
If you are going to killfile everyone with whom you disagree or don't
dislike and make that decision on your first meeting, pretty soon you'll
be the only one out on the patio while the rest of use are inside
enjoying the party (we really don't miss those that deliberately exclude
themselves). I know of some users that have huge killfile lists simply
because they don't have the fortitude to ignore posts from those that
they dislike. Take the attitude, "Oh yeah, keep waving that virtual gun
at me, like I care, as if you can hurt me unless *I* decide that you
can."
 
Plonking someone due to dislikes engendered within a single thread is a
bit extreme and immature. It's just one thread, one discussion, and yet
you are plonking him already.
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Negative. As I previously indicated, I've encountered him before, where he
offered similar carping. He even posts under sockpuppets to try and add
"weight" to his whining. If it bothers him or anyone else that much, let
them start a moderated forum.

Just because you don't get along with
someone else doesn't mean you still can't use them.
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Whatever one individual's "usefulness" may or may not be, it isn't enough
for me to tolerate their control-freak pissiness. I'll be happy to listen to
input from those whose tendency is to be civil and not trying to
singlehandedly dictate behavior.
Usenet engenders more rudeness than do
Once you've been around Usenet for
awhile,
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I've been on usenet for years and I treat assclowns like assclowns.
 
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