Do you know where, in Europe, I can find this card?

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I did a search from Europe and found only 7 places, and all in USA, for

NVIDIA GeForce 6200 128MB DDR3 PCI Express (PCIe) DVI/VGA Video

A couple of weeks ago Geeks was selling them for $27. The shipping cost
was about $40. I have noticed that mail orderers usually use much larger
boxes than normal. They are too lazy to make a few slits and reduce the
space to a minimum for the contents.

Is Europe asleep, or am I?


TIA
 
Seum said:
I did a search from Europe and found only 7 places, and all in USA, for

NVIDIA GeForce 6200 128MB DDR3 PCI Express (PCIe) DVI/VGA Video

A couple of weeks ago Geeks was selling them for $27. The shipping cost
was about $40. I have noticed that mail orderers usually use much larger
boxes than normal. They are too lazy to make a few slits and reduce the
space to a minimum for the contents.

Is Europe asleep, or am I?


TIA
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As long as you understand the incentive to make the cards,
you'll be better able to locate a source.

6600/6600GT - PCI Express versions only made sense five years ago.
- No reason to make PCI Express cards like that now,
as "better" cards exist. (I.e. cards with no Win2K
drivers.)

6200 PCI \_____ 6200 supports old drivers, and PCI and AGP are popular
6200 AGP / on old computers. Cards of this type will continue
to be made in small quantities, to fill the need for
replacement cards for old computers. Other reasons for
these to be used, might be to gain a DVI or HDMI connector.
Sales of 6200 will cease, whenever the contract fab
NVidia uses, can no longer make them. They won't last
forever.

6200 PCI Express - Like the 6600/6600GT, these only made sense five years ago.
Unless you can find a manufacturer who has released a
small quantity of "warranty replacement stock" they're
no longer using, you'll have to look on Ebay. Outfits
like "Geeks", sometimes score small quantities of cards
like that, which sell out fairly rapidly (since the
quantity is so small).

The FX5200 is a card filling a similar role to the 6200, the
difference being that there is no PCI Express version.
FX5200 comes in PCI and AGP, and up to this date, has been
used for old computer video card replacement. I own three
of those, and the PCI one is horrible. I can't use the
PCI one for more than an hour or two, before it gets on
my nerves. The AGP ones are fine for web surfing and
movie watching. For game play, they're underpowered.

The 6200 PCI is going to have similar issues, in that
the bus limitation makes the PCI version not a very
good choice.

The PCI Express 6200 will have no bus limit, and otherwise
allow the card to fulfill its role as a basic frame
buffer and digital/analog output card. But most likely,
you're only going to find that on Ebay (or look at a local
computer shop that can't seem to sell stuff).

Your set of constraints is what makes the choices so limited.
When I attempted to solve the same problem, I was very lucky
to find a quantity of "new old stock" caused by the demise
of BFG as a video card maker. I got a very nice 7900GT new
for $65. When I decided I might like a second card, they
were all gone.

You can always settle, for some other version of Windows...

HTH,
Paul
 
Paul said:
As long as you understand the incentive to make the cards,
you'll be better able to locate a source.

6600/6600GT - PCI Express versions only made sense five years ago.
- No reason to make PCI Express cards like that now,
as "better" cards exist. (I.e. cards with no Win2K
drivers.)

6200 PCI \_____ 6200 supports old drivers, and PCI and AGP are popular
6200 AGP / on old computers. Cards of this type will continue
to be made in small quantities, to fill the need for
replacement cards for old computers. Other reasons for
these to be used, might be to gain a DVI or HDMI
connector.
Sales of 6200 will cease, whenever the contract fab
NVidia uses, can no longer make them. They won't last
forever.

6200 PCI Express - Like the 6600/6600GT, these only made sense five
years ago.
Unless you can find a manufacturer who has released a
small quantity of "warranty replacement stock" they're
no longer using, you'll have to look on Ebay. Outfits
like "Geeks", sometimes score small quantities of cards
like that, which sell out fairly rapidly (since the
quantity is so small).

The FX5200 is a card filling a similar role to the 6200, the
difference being that there is no PCI Express version.
FX5200 comes in PCI and AGP, and up to this date, has been
used for old computer video card replacement. I own three
of those, and the PCI one is horrible. I can't use the
PCI one for more than an hour or two, before it gets on
my nerves. The AGP ones are fine for web surfing and
movie watching. For game play, they're underpowered.

The 6200 PCI is going to have similar issues, in that
the bus limitation makes the PCI version not a very
good choice.

The PCI Express 6200 will have no bus limit, and otherwise
allow the card to fulfill its role as a basic frame
buffer and digital/analog output card. But most likely,
you're only going to find that on Ebay (or look at a local
computer shop that can't seem to sell stuff).

Your set of constraints is what makes the choices so limited.
When I attempted to solve the same problem, I was very lucky
to find a quantity of "new old stock" caused by the demise
of BFG as a video card maker. I got a very nice 7900GT new
for $65. When I decided I might like a second card, they
were all gone.

You can always settle, for some other version of Windows...

HTH,
Paul
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Thanks again Paul.

What is your opinion of this one?

ATi Radeon X1300 256MB Pro PCI Express Graphics Video Card

Graphics Card (A92403)

* PCI Express x16
* 256 MB DDR2 SDRAM 128Bit
* Max Resolution 2560x1600
* OpenGL 2.0, DirectX 9
* Supports 2 Monitors
* S-Video and Composite Video support
* Low Profile, as pictured

The memory is very small.
 
Seum said:
Thanks again Paul.

What is your opinion of this one?

ATi Radeon X1300 256MB Pro PCI Express Graphics Video Card

Graphics Card (A92403)

* PCI Express x16
* 256 MB DDR2 SDRAM 128Bit
* Max Resolution 2560x1600
* OpenGL 2.0, DirectX 9
* Supports 2 Monitors
* S-Video and Composite Video support
* Low Profile, as pictured

The memory is very small.
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The Feb 2006 driver seems to include X1300 and Windows 2000. You have
to double check, by actually downloading the driver for a look. I
checked Dec 2006 driver and Windows 2000 is not supported in that
one. So your card has possibilities.

http://www2.ati.com/relnotes/catalyst_62_release_notes.html

The driver is available as a "blob" or as separate files. You
should keep both kinds of drivers on hand, for special situations.
(I got here, by asking for a driver for an X850, as if you say
you're using an X1300, the main driver search refuses to list
Win2K.)

http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/Pages/radeonx-2k.aspx

C2_30152.inf

"ATI Display Information file : ATII2KAG.INF
Windows 2000

"Radeon X1300 Series" = ati2mtag_RV515, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_7142
"Radeon X1300 Series " = ati2mtag_RV515, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_7146
"Radeon X1300 Series Secondary" = ati2mtag_RV515, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_7162
"Radeon X1300 Series Secondary " = ati2mtag_RV515, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_7166
"

So that *looks* like it might work.

This claims to be a picture of the card. Am I seeing only
two connectors on the faceplate ?

http://www.bioticaindia.com:81/prod/radeon-a92403.jpg

This is a picture from a different angle. It almost looks like
the main connector is a DMS-59 type ? If that were the case,
there would be a "Y shaped" external cable, with two DVI or
two VGA connectors on the end. It almost looks like the card
is low profile. You'll need an optional "full height" faceplate
to fit that card in a regular computer case. Low profile cards
are typically used in Dell Slim or SFF form factor PC cases.

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/$(KGrHqV,!lsE2FhnsMtLBNsToYObLQ~~_35.JPG

So more careful reviewing is needed :-) Do you have a link to
the actual product page ?

I would say, you can buy it if:

1) It comes with a full height faceplate. With low profile cards,
the good ones come with two faceplates. One faceplate is bolted
to the card on delivery. The second one is loose in the package.
One faceplate is taller than the other. The tall faceplate is
used with regular ATX computer cases. The low profile faceplate
is used with "slim" type computer cases.

2) It must come with the DMS59 to dual adapter cable. You'll have loads
of fun finding the right cable otherwise. And you can't use the main
video outputs, without the cable being connected. The DMS59 is
a way to squeeze the signals for two connectors, into the space
taken by a single connector. (I'm not even certain that sufficient
standards govern the use of DMS59, to make interchange between two
different video cards possible.)

This is an example of a full kit for low profile card. DMS59 to
dual DVI-I cable. Two DVI-I to VGA passive adapters. And the
proper set of faceplates is provided. If buying a card used,
beware that the accessories may be missing. Faceplates tend to be
custom, so finding another proper one may be a challenge. I have
seen offered for sale, a bag of "assorted" faceplates, but even with
such a treasure trove, you might not find a match.

http://images17.newegg.com/is/image/newegg/14-129-143-Z05?$S640W$

Paul
 
Paul said:
The Feb 2006 driver seems to include X1300 and Windows 2000. You have
to double check, by actually downloading the driver for a look. I
checked Dec 2006 driver and Windows 2000 is not supported in that
one. So your card has possibilities.

http://www2.ati.com/relnotes/catalyst_62_release_notes.html

The driver is available as a "blob" or as separate files. You
should keep both kinds of drivers on hand, for special situations.
(I got here, by asking for a driver for an X850, as if you say
you're using an X1300, the main driver search refuses to list
Win2K.)

http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/Pages/radeonx-2k.aspx

C2_30152.inf

"ATI Display Information file : ATII2KAG.INF
Windows 2000

"Radeon X1300 Series" = ati2mtag_RV515, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_7142
"Radeon X1300 Series " = ati2mtag_RV515, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_7146
"Radeon X1300 Series Secondary" = ati2mtag_RV515, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_7162
"Radeon X1300 Series Secondary " = ati2mtag_RV515,
PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_7166
"

So that *looks* like it might work.

This claims to be a picture of the card. Am I seeing only
two connectors on the faceplate ?

http://www.bioticaindia.com:81/prod/radeon-a92403.jpg

This is a picture from a different angle. It almost looks like
the main connector is a DMS-59 type ? If that were the case,
there would be a "Y shaped" external cable, with two DVI or
two VGA connectors on the end. It almost looks like the card
is low profile. You'll need an optional "full height" faceplate
to fit that card in a regular computer case. Low profile cards
are typically used in Dell Slim or SFF form factor PC cases.

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/$(KGrHqV,!lsE2FhnsMtLBNsToYObLQ~~_35.JPG

So more careful reviewing is needed :-) Do you have a link to
the actual product page ?

I would say, you can buy it if:

1) It comes with a full height faceplate. With low profile cards,
the good ones come with two faceplates. One faceplate is bolted
to the card on delivery. The second one is loose in the package.
One faceplate is taller than the other. The tall faceplate is
used with regular ATX computer cases. The low profile faceplate
is used with "slim" type computer cases.

2) It must come with the DMS59 to dual adapter cable. You'll have loads
of fun finding the right cable otherwise. And you can't use the main
video outputs, without the cable being connected. The DMS59 is
a way to squeeze the signals for two connectors, into the space
taken by a single connector. (I'm not even certain that sufficient
standards govern the use of DMS59, to make interchange between two
different video cards possible.)

This is an example of a full kit for low profile card. DMS59 to
dual DVI-I cable. Two DVI-I to VGA passive adapters. And the
proper set of faceplates is provided. If buying a card used,
beware that the accessories may be missing. Faceplates tend to be
custom, so finding another proper one may be a challenge. I have
seen offered for sale, a bag of "assorted" faceplates, but even with
such a treasure trove, you might not find a match.

http://images17.newegg.com/is/image/newegg/14-129-143-Z05?$S640W$

Paul
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Thanks again Paul.

This product had been refurbished but the price, incl shipping, is about
$20. I think it's worth a gamble.
 
Seum said:
Thanks again Paul.

This product had been refurbished but the price, incl shipping, is about
$20. I think it's worth a gamble.
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Another failure - methinks!

General
Vista Capability This graphics card is capable of running the new Aero
interface featured in Windows Vista Home Premium and higher.
Video output interface type PCI Express x16
Compatibility PC
Enclosure Type Plug-in card
Video Output:Type Graphics adapter
Processor / Memory
Graphics Card Performance This card's graphics processor and memory mean
that it is not recommended for most games, but it will still be fine for
office applications and other normal computing tasks.
Graphics Processor / Vendor ATI Radeon X1300 Pro
Video RAM installed 256 MB
Max resolution 2560 x 1600
Video Output / Graphics Processor / Vendor ATI Radeon X1300 Pro
Video memory technology DDR II SDRAM
Video Output
Max Resolution (external) 2560 x 1600:
Analog Video Format S-Video, Composite video
Digital video standard Digital Visual Interface (DVI)
API Supported OpenGL 2.0, DirectX 9.0
Max monitors supported 2
Cable(s) / Peripheral(s)
Cable(s) included:Cable(s) included Cable(s) included Composite cable,
S-Video cable
Expansion / Port(s) Required
Slot(s) Required 1 PCI Express x16
Port(s) / Connector(s) Required 1
Software / System Requirements
Min Operating system Microsoft Windows XP, Microsoft Windows XP 64-bit
Edition, Microsoft Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005
Peripheral / Interface devices CD-ROM, 350W power supply
Software type Drivers & Utilities
Warranty
Service / Support Details 1 year Limited warranty
Service & support type 1 year warranty
 
Seum said:
Another failure - methinks!

Min Operating system Microsoft Windows XP, Microsoft Windows XP 64-bit
Edition, Microsoft Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005
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But the driver I downloaded, seems to have a Win2K INF and the release
notes think it works. The "search engine" on the front page of the
amd.com site (home of ATI), doesn't list a Win2K driver for X1300. But
if you enter X850, then read the release information, the X1300 is
listed there.

So this is a "calculated risk". The thing is, you won't find any driver
more modern than 2006. Which is fine with Win2K.

Some purchasers of ATI cards, are so limited in drivers (they're AGP
owners), that there is only one "hotfix" driver for their card,
and it's on the card manufacturer web site. So plenty of non-mainstream
ATI purchases, have perils when it come to drivers. Which is why,
when you buy an ATI/AMD card brand new, you read the reviews to
see what the driver situation is like.

Mainstream cards, like a PCI Express x16 from ATI, will have drivers for
WinXP or later. If you go AGP with ATI (i.e. card uses Rialto bridge
chip), the driver situation is "sketchy", and requires checking what
other purchasers have discovered. Some of the driver solutions
there are the "hotfix" variety.

And as in your case, if you're interested in OSes which came before
WinXP, your options are even more limited. And may require "secret
knowledge" or "lore" to make it work. As an example, there are people
who "hack" laptop drivers, to make their own driver solutions. There
are things like Omega drivers. There are tools like Rivatuner.
There is a web site that hosts the firmware codes stored on the cards
(for when you want to convert a Macintosh card to a PC card) and
so on. Lots of toys and obscure details. A card I got four years of
usage out of, started as a Macintosh video card, and got converted
for usage in a PC. (This was revenge for ATI not offering a driver
for my Mac OS version, so I decided to get my money's worth from the card,
by using it in another computer. It required flashing the card, and
four wiring changes to the card.)

The only thing I haven't tried, is overclocking video cards, because
I just don't see the value in it. If a card sucks, overclocking it
means the card still sucks, and now it runs hot :-)

Paul
 
Paul said:
But the driver I downloaded, seems to have a Win2K INF and the release
notes think it works. The "search engine" on the front page of the
amd.com site (home of ATI), doesn't list a Win2K driver for X1300. But
if you enter X850, then read the release information, the X1300 is
listed there.

So this is a "calculated risk". The thing is, you won't find any driver
more modern than 2006. Which is fine with Win2K.

Some purchasers of ATI cards, are so limited in drivers (they're AGP
owners), that there is only one "hotfix" driver for their card,
and it's on the card manufacturer web site. So plenty of non-mainstream
ATI purchases, have perils when it come to drivers. Which is why,
when you buy an ATI/AMD card brand new, you read the reviews to
see what the driver situation is like.

Mainstream cards, like a PCI Express x16 from ATI, will have drivers for
WinXP or later. If you go AGP with ATI (i.e. card uses Rialto bridge
chip), the driver situation is "sketchy", and requires checking what
other purchasers have discovered. Some of the driver solutions
there are the "hotfix" variety.

And as in your case, if you're interested in OSes which came before
WinXP, your options are even more limited. And may require "secret
knowledge" or "lore" to make it work. As an example, there are people
who "hack" laptop drivers, to make their own driver solutions. There
are things like Omega drivers. There are tools like Rivatuner.
There is a web site that hosts the firmware codes stored on the cards
(for when you want to convert a Macintosh card to a PC card) and
so on. Lots of toys and obscure details. A card I got four years of
usage out of, started as a Macintosh video card, and got converted
for usage in a PC. (This was revenge for ATI not offering a driver
for my Mac OS version, so I decided to get my money's worth from the card,
by using it in another computer. It required flashing the card, and
four wiring changes to the card.)

The only thing I haven't tried, is overclocking video cards, because
I just don't see the value in it. If a card sucks, overclocking it
means the card still sucks, and now it runs hot :-)

Paul
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Sorry to bother you again Paul.

The card we discussed is in an auction that goes on for over a week.
eBay needs a lot of patience and I am not in the mood for that.

BTW Paul, do you ever sleep? :-)
 
Seum said:
Sorry to bother you again Paul.

The card we discussed is in an auction that goes on for over a week.
eBay needs a lot of patience and I am not in the mood for that.

BTW Paul, do you ever sleep? :-)
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Seems like I bought that card and it cost just about what I had
expected. Will advise when the card turns up.

Thanks for your help :-)
 
NVIDIA GeForce 6200 128MB DDR3 PCI Express (PCIe) DVI/VGA Video

A couple of weeks ago Geeks was selling them for $27. The shipping cost
was about $40. I have noticed that mail orderers usually use much larger
boxes than normal. They are too lazy to make a few slits and reduce the
space to a minimum for the contents.

Is Europe asleep, or am I?
Click to expand...

You may have misapprehended. Most package charges are by weight
rather than by bulk, so it is usually economical to pack electronic goods
with plenty of air space (bubble wrap etc.) Secondly, boxes for
electronic goods are cheap because machine-made and machine-
folded. More individual packing would require more individual
handling: this would increase the gross price, and price competition
between vendors is nowadays intense.
 
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