Do I need to?

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I want to upgrade my CPU, seems I also need to upgrade my MB.

I have been informed I need to do a clean install of WINXP including SP2 and
all updates, I would also have to re-install all my programs and software
some of which have been upgrades others I am not sure which are data ,As I
am not a newbee but also not that computer savvy to risk loosing a lot of
what I consider survival programs. Old enough to be smarter, young enough to
know better. No major changes made to computer in over 120 days, just a hard
drive way over 6 months ago. Can new MB and CPU be installed without such
drastic steps as needing to reinstall everything?

At present running on Intel 933MHZ, 640 Ram.
Stan
 
Stan, I don't totally understand your needs.
Now I am no expert, but I wouldn't think you need to reinstall your OS. But
you should actually have a full b/u before making your changes.
But I would like ot know w/a P4 933 Mhz machine do you run real power
programs that just increasing your RAM wouldn't help.
 
Steve, Larry thanks for your replies. Machine is P3 not P4.
Some suggestions have been made to me it might be cheaper to buy a new
computer since parts and labor might exceed buying a new one.
Is a transfer from one machine to another also a choice?

Stan
 
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Larry Mauriello said:
Stan, I don't totally understand your needs.
Now I am no expert, but I wouldn't think you need to reinstall
your
OS.


If he changes his motherboard, he will need to do a minimum of a
repair installation. It's possible that that won't work, and
he'll need to do a clean reinstallation.

But you should actually have a full b/u before making your
changes. But I would like ot know w/a P4 933 Mhz machine do you
run real power
programs that just increasing your RAM wouldn't help.


He has 640MB of RAM. It depends on what apps he runs, but for the
great majority of people, 640MB is more than enough to keep him
from using the page file. If he doesn't use the page file, adding
more RAM will do almost nothing for him.

So his is probably a situation where getting a faster processor
will help him, but adding more RAM won't.
 
You most likelyy will have to do only a repair install..
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm

The order is:
Install new hardware
Boot from XP CD
Do repair install
Boot normally..


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stan said:
I want to upgrade my CPU, seems I also need to upgrade my MB.

I have been informed I need to do a clean install of WINXP including SP2
and all updates, I would also have to re-install all my programs and
software some of which have been upgrades others I am not sure which are
data ,As I am not a newbee but also not that computer savvy to risk
loosing a lot of what I consider survival programs. Old enough to be
smarter, young enough to know better. No major changes made to computer in
over 120 days, just a hard drive way over 6 months ago. Can new MB and
CPU be installed without such drastic steps as needing to reinstall
everything?

At present running on Intel 933MHZ, 640 Ram.
Stan


What speed boost you expect (and what you actually get) depends entirely on
how MUCH of an upgrade you intend to perform (and how full is your wallet).

If you are not willing to "risk lo[o]sing a lot of what I consider survival
programs", are you actually NOW performing backups? Otherwise, your files
really aren't as important as claimed. You don't just do backups before
making major changes - because a major change may be made without your
consent, like the hard drive fails or a surge burns out components. While
logical file backups (for a full backup) can get you up and running close to
what you had before, you'll probably want to get a disk/partition image
program, like Acronis True Image, so you can restore that image in case of
disaster recovery. Since you are performing major surgery on your computer,
you'll need backups. It is possible the new motherboard uses a different
translation geometry for your large hard drive than did your old
motherboard, so the new mobo won't know how to read your old drive's
contents. You'll then need to restore the image onto the hard drive using
the new mobo so it uses its translation to figure out where the sectors go
physically onto the true geometry of the drive (rather than the logical
geometry the OS gets to use).

Does the old mobo use the same memory type as what the new mobo will use?
If so, why not just try adding more memory to see if you get the performance
boost that you expect. If you end up getting the new mobo, you can move
over the compatible memory. You might also look at msconfig.exe's Startup
tab to see what processes you have load on Windows startup that are sucking
up your memory and consuming CPU cycles. Disable services that you don't
need; e.g., if you don't intend on running a web server or websharing of
folders for other people to use/abuse then don't run the IIS service. If
you don't have enough memory then processes end up swapping out to the
pagefile. The swapping in and out of pages takes time and the very much
slower hard drive is used for the pagefile to emulate memory (i.e., virtual
memory, virtual because it isn't real memory but just a file on the hard
drive). Getting bytes off a hard drive in a pagefile is extremely slower
than using those bytes in memory.

How do you know it isn't your old and slow hard drive that is slowing down
the response of your system? While the OS uses caching (and even if the
hard drive has a cache), that doesn't help the first time a file is opened.
Caching works to keep a portion of a file AFTER it has been read at least
once. Could be you have an old drive that spins slow (5400 RPM) and a newer
faster-spinning hard drive with a bigger hardware cache would improve
responsiveness. A faster hard drive will get those bytes faster into
memory, and nothing executes unless it is in memory.

Anything in a card slot or connected by cable is a subsystem. However, you
intend to replace the core system (processor, motherboard, and maybe even
the memory). An in-place upgrade (i.e., repair) will probably do the trick
but preplan for disaster. Make backups (and preferrably images for a
near-exact restore). If you don't backup and it breaks after the brain
surgery, you have no way to restore and will have to install everything from
scratch (along with losing all your data files and configuration settings
for every program).

See http://support.microsoft.com/?id=315341
 
stan said:
I want to upgrade my CPU, seems I also need to upgrade my MB.

I have been informed I need to do a clean install of WINXP including SP2 and
all updates, I would also have to re-install all my programs and software
some of which have been upgrades others I am not sure which are data ,As I
am not a newbee but also not that computer savvy to risk loosing a lot of
what I consider survival programs. Old enough to be smarter, young enough to
know better. No major changes made to computer in over 120 days, just a hard
drive way over 6 months ago. Can new MB and CPU be installed without such
drastic steps as needing to reinstall everything?

At present running on Intel 933MHZ, 640 Ram.
Stan

If upgrading to a current Intel model, then it would be
essentially a 2-generation jump in CPU and motherboard.
Not really a good proposition without doing a clean install.
 
Thanks to all you replied.
Puts me back to square one. The man who made the suggestion I've dealt with
for years. He's done some upgrades for me previously but not with WINXP OS.
Will have to trust his judgment. Now I have to figure out how to do a full
backup.

Stan
 
stan said:
I want to upgrade my CPU, seems I also need to upgrade my MB.

I have been informed I need to do a clean install of WINXP including SP2 and
all updates, I would also have to re-install all my programs and software
some of which have been upgrades others I am not sure which are data ,As I
am not a newbee but also not that computer savvy to risk loosing a lot of
what I consider survival programs. Old enough to be smarter, young enough to
know better. No major changes made to computer in over 120 days, just a hard
drive way over 6 months ago. Can new MB and CPU be installed without such
drastic steps as needing to reinstall everything?

At present running on Intel 933MHZ, 640 Ram.
Stan

Is your Windows XP an OEM version? And if it is then is it one of the
"BIOS Locked" OEM versions?

If both answers are Yes then you probably should not consider doing
the motherboard upgrade, as you will either have to purchase the
replacement motherboard from the same OEM that made your computer or
purchase a new Windows License.

BIOS Locked OEM versions cannot be activated on a motherboard that is
not from that specific OEM. These versions are self-activation when
installed on a motherboard from the OEM concerned and as of 1 March
2005 they will not activate over the Internet if installed on a
different motherboard and telephone activation requests will be
declined.

To determine if your installed Windows XP is an OEM version open
Control Panel - System - Advanced and look at the 20 character Product
I.D. value shown in the last line of the "Registered to:" section. If
the second segment of the Product I.D. value is OEM then yours is an
OEM version.

To detemine if your OEM version is a BIOS Locked version use Start -
All Programs - System Tools and look for a menu item for "Activate
Windows". If there is no "Activate Windows" item on the System Tools
menu then your OEM version is BIOS Locked.

Note 1: Some non-OEM versions of Windows XP, such as Volume Licenses,
also do not have the Activate Windows item on the System Tools menu.
This does not mean that they are BIOS Locked. That only applies to
OEM versions.

Note 2: If you replaced the motherboard prior to 1 March 2005 then
your OEM version of Windows XP may be BIOS Locked and will also show
an "Activate Windows" item in the System Tools menu. These version
cannot be activated again, so anything that triggers a need to
reactivate could be disastrous.

Good luck

Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
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stan said:
I want to upgrade my CPU, seems I also need to upgrade my MB.

I have been informed I need to do a clean install of WINXP including SP2 and
all updates, I would also have to re-install all my programs and software
some of which have been upgrades others I am not sure which are data ,As I
am not a newbee but also not that computer savvy to risk loosing a lot of
what I consider survival programs. Old enough to be smarter, young enough to
know better. No major changes made to computer in over 120 days, just a hard
drive way over 6 months ago. Can new MB and CPU be installed without such
drastic steps as needing to reinstall everything?

At present running on Intel 933MHZ, 640 Ram.
Stan


Normally, and assuming a retail license (many OEM installations are
BIOS-locked to a specific chipset and therefore not transferable to a
new motherboard - check yours before starting), unless the new
motherboard is virtually identical (same chipset, same IDE controllers,
same BIOS version, etc.) to the one on which the WinXP installation was
originally performed, you'll need to perform a repair (a.k.a. in-place
upgrade) installation, at the very least:

How to Perform an In-Place Upgrade of Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/directory/article.asp?ID=KB;EN-US;Q315341

The "why" is quite simple, really, and has nothing to do with
licensing issues, per se; it's a purely technical matter, at this point.
You've pulled the proverbial hardware rug out from under the OS. (If
you don't like -- or get -- the rug analogy, think of it as picking up a
Cape Cod style home and then setting it down onto a Ranch style
foundation. It just isn't going to fit.) WinXP, like Win2K before it,
is not nearly as "promiscuous" as Win9x when it comes to accepting any
old hardware configuration you throw at it. On installation it
"tailors" itself to the specific hardware found. This is one of the
reasons that the entire WinNT/2K/XP OS family is so much more stable
than the Win9x group.

As always when undertaking such a significant change, back up any
important data before starting.

This will also probably require re-activation, unless you have a
Volume Licensed version of WinXP Pro installed. If it's been more than
120 days since you last activated that specific Product Key, you'll most
likely be able to activate via the Internet without problem. If it's
been less, you might have to make a 5 minute phone call.



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