disposable printer

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For inkjet and color laser printer, if you can buy a new printer with
cartridges cheaper than or almost same price as buying the full set of
cartridges separately, do you throw the perfectly functional old printer
away? Or do you, in order to conserve resources and not create more trash,
obediently buy a set of new cartridges?

I wish they sell the printer and cartridges at the correct price structure
so no one would want to throw away working printers whenever they run out of
ink/toner.
 
peter said:
For inkjet and color laser printer, if you can buy a new printer with
cartridges cheaper than or almost same price as buying the full set of
cartridges separately, do you throw the perfectly functional old printer
away? Or do you, in order to conserve resources and not create more trash,
obediently buy a set of new cartridges?

I wish they sell the printer and cartridges at the correct price structure
so no one would want to throw away working printers whenever they run out of
ink/toner.
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Better yet, you pull the drum and toner, clip the UPC code for the
rebate then sell the new printer on eBay.
 
curly said:
Better yet, you pull the drum and toner, clip the UPC code for the
rebate then sell the new printer on eBay.
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Remember that new units often have low capacity cartridges supplied
 
Personally, I would love to see legislation similar to the EU that would
put an end to these practices. They are a type of "dumping" and
bundling that is already a legal gray area.

It sends an awful message to people about the real costs and values of
machines, versus consumables.

It encourages the wasteful society we continue to feed, and it will be
our undoing eventually. Resources are limited, and printers should have
a reasonable duty life, and not cost more to use than replace. It puts
us stealing out of the mouths of those less fortunate to pay for our
opulent lifestyles.

Also, do watch out for the real consumable numbers. For example, Xerox
has a new color laser printer out that sells for under $300. I have
been trying to find out how much yield the "starter cartridges" supply,
but not website searches nor calling has yet netted me those numbers,
and I don't believe it is accidental. They would prefer we don't not
know, because chances are it is half or less of a regular full
cartridge. They also tend not to show consumable consumption on high
coverage items like full page photos, because it doesn't look pretty
(the cost, not the end result) and this is more true for the economy
printers which make up the profit loss with outrageously costly inks and
toners.

Two color laser printers next to one another at Staples, both made by
the same company had a $75 (Canadian) differential. The cheaper one had
half filled cartridges, while the one for $75 more had full cartridges,
a network card and almost double the duty cycle. So which is the better
deal? At manufacturer's retail price, the toner difference alone was
worth about $200.

So be a smart consumer, and repair, and refill when you can.

Art
 
peter said:
For inkjet and color laser printer, if you can buy a new printer with
cartridges cheaper than or almost same price as buying the full set of
cartridges separately, do you throw the perfectly functional old printer
away? Or do you, in order to conserve resources and not create more trash,
obediently buy a set of new cartridges?

I wish they sell the printer and cartridges at the correct price structure
so no one would want to throw away working printers whenever they run out
of ink/toner.
Click to expand...

Yes, it better to buy a new printer instead of new cartridges.

1. New printer contains newer and improved hardware and firmware.

2. You can disassemble old printer and play with its parts.

3. You can refill cartridges just for fun.

4. New printers have clean rollers and generally work better.

5. New printers have newer and better software and USB drivers.

6. It feels like Christmas to unpack and install a brand new printer.

7. Add your reasons here:

NM
 
Arthur said:
Personally, I would love to see legislation similar to the EU that
would put an end to these practices. They are a type of "dumping" and
bundling that is already a legal gray area.

It sends an awful message to people about the real costs and values of
machines, versus consumables.

It encourages the wasteful society we continue to feed, and it will be
our undoing eventually. Resources are limited, and printers should
have a reasonable duty life, and not cost more to use than replace.
It puts us stealing out of the mouths of those less fortunate to pay
for our opulent lifestyles.

Also, do watch out for the real consumable numbers. For example,
Xerox has a new color laser printer out that sells for under $300. I
have been trying to find out how much yield the "starter cartridges"
supply, but not website searches nor calling has yet netted me those
numbers, and I don't believe it is accidental. They would prefer we
don't not know, because chances are it is half or less of a regular
full cartridge. They also tend not to show consumable consumption on
high coverage items like full page photos, because it doesn't look
pretty (the cost, not the end result) and this is more true for the
economy printers which make up the profit loss with outrageously
costly inks and toners.

Two color laser printers next to one another at Staples, both made by
the same company had a $75 (Canadian) differential. The cheaper one
had half filled cartridges, while the one for $75 more had full
cartridges, a network card and almost double the duty cycle. So which
is the better deal? At manufacturer's retail price, the toner
difference alone was worth about $200.

So be a smart consumer, and repair, and refill when you can.
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That is not very smart. Your printer does not work so you have this choice:

Spend about $100 to repair your printer and be without the printer for
about two weeks and some even have to pay $20.00 more for shipping.
OR
Get a NEW printer for $70.00 that includes a complete new set of carts
and a new printhead

Why settle for lower quality prints that fade when OEM ink is the best.
 
measekite said:
Why settle for lower quality prints that fade when OEM ink is the best.
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Fade...hummm...let's talk about fading prints ok? I assume you've
printed two identical prints on your old ip4000. One using your beloved
oem over priced inks and the other printed using any of your hated
generic brand ink correct?
It that the case? You've personally done a fade test of your own?
Cause I have...and guess what? I'll be long dead before anybody will be
able to discern any difference at all.
So there is no problem with fading when I use my high quality after
market inks vs. oem inks.
Guess what? I get the same quality prints...and save a small fortune!
Can you personally refute my findings?
No...I didn't think so.
Go read your pcmag...and pretend you're stan.
ROTFLMAO
Frank
 
peter said:
For inkjet and color laser printer, if you can buy a new printer with
cartridges cheaper than or almost same price as buying the full set of
cartridges separately, do you throw the perfectly functional old printer
away? Or do you, in order to conserve resources and not create more trash,
obediently buy a set of new cartridges?

I wish they sell the printer and cartridges at the correct price structure
so no one would want to throw away working printers whenever they run out of
ink/toner.
Click to expand...
Just been in a similar position but with a faulty power unit for a
multifunction printer, one if the voltages was missing and the unit had
special screws so I couldn't open it to check (ex radio/tv engineer). I
managed to find someone who could supply a power unit at £45.00 plus vat
and carriage probably talking about £60.00. Just bought a later version
from same manufacturer with full warranty for £43.00 including vat and
carriage. Daren't even ask what they would have wanted to repair the
faulty printer.
Gerald
 
peter said:
For inkjet and color laser printer, if you can buy a new printer with
cartridges cheaper than or almost same price as buying the full set of
cartridges separately, do you throw the perfectly functional old
printer away? Or do you, in order to conserve resources and not create
more trash, obediently buy a set of new cartridges?
Click to expand...

I can't really. The sort of printer I want retails for more than the sum
cost of the cartridges it uses.
I wish they sell the printer and cartridges at the correct price
structure so no one would want to throw away working printers whenever
they run out of ink/toner.
Click to expand...

They'd have to make Inkjet more reliable and durable though.
 
Very sad, and shouldn't be allowed under legislation.

However, there are limits as to how much any one person can do to try to
maintain equipment wit this bogus business model in use.

Art
 
Brand New Ink Cartridges are 99 cents on eBay with free shipping.

Just in case you are in the market for new ink cartridges, they are
the cheapest on eBay. An example is if you own the Canon i960
printer. Go to eBay and type in keyword, "18 ink cartridge for Canon
i960". The total price will be less then $18.00 shipped, that's about
99 cents each.

It doesn't matter what quantity, what brand(Canon, Epson, HP,
Lexmark), they are still the cheapest on eBay. Shop around for the
best price, there is so much competition on eBay that the only real
winner is the consumer.

Sincerely,
Cheaper On eBay
 
You do know that by spamming this newsgroup you are costing yourself
business and not increasing it? I NEVER buy from spammers that post
here no matter how much I might save. I'm not alone here with that view
point.
 
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