Digital Rights and AIW cards.

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Donna

When I try to record programming from my Dishnet Satellite reciever..
my recording will stop and a window appears me telling me that I do
not own digital rights to this programming and it stops recording.

How do they, it - them Know that I'm recording anything? When I record
a program with my vcr - it doesn't stop and refuse to.

Can anyone help me in figuring out what is going on? Is anyone else
experiencing this - and how can I reocord from my dish?

Thanks,

Donna
 
Donna said:
When I try to record programming from my Dishnet Satellite reciever..
my recording will stop and a window appears me telling me that I do
not own digital rights to this programming and it stops recording.

How do they, it - them Know that I'm recording anything? When I record
a program with my vcr - it doesn't stop and refuse to.

Can anyone help me in figuring out what is going on? Is anyone else
experiencing this - and how can I reocord from my dish?

Thanks,

Donna
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Dont quote me on this but i think that they might start doin what they do to
music. So that on certain recorder types they wont let you record them
because they have some spceial protection on them- like on music you can
only play it so many times or copy it soo many times. That might be it or it
might be worse.
 
There is a data block in the signal that contains a bit which tells
digital devices not to record that signal.

It's going to get a LOT worse. All HDTV and digital TV will have a
"broadcast flag" by law as of next July. Monitors used with compliant
digital systems will have to have "HDCP" [High Definition Content (or
copy) Protection]. If they don't the digital source (such as set-top
box, HDTV tuner, and others) won't display an image on that display. It
means that if you have a $10,000 Pioneer plasma panel made without HDCP,
you won't be able to connect it via a DVI interface to .... much of
anything. You will have to drop back to a lower quality analog
connection. Virtually all current production displays have HDCP, but
there are some compatability problems, as the technology is not yet
completely mature and debugged.
 
I had this same problem with recording a few months back. I was given a
patch that tells the software to record regardless of the 'dont let him copy
me' signal.

Sorry I dont have the link, but the patch is out there.
There is a data block in the signal that contains a bit which tells
digital devices not to record that signal.

It's going to get a LOT worse. All HDTV and digital TV will have a
"broadcast flag" by law as of next July. Monitors used with compliant
digital systems will have to have "HDCP" [High Definition Content (or
copy) Protection]. If they don't the digital source (such as set-top box,
HDTV tuner, and others) won't display an image on that display. It means
that if you have a $10,000 Pioneer plasma panel made without HDCP, you
won't be able to connect it via a DVI interface to .... much of anything.
You will have to drop back to a lower quality analog connection.
Virtually all current production displays have HDCP, but there are some
compatability problems, as the technology is not yet completely mature and
debugged.

When I try to record programming from my Dishnet Satellite reciever..
my recording will stop and a window appears me telling me that I do
not own digital rights to this programming and it stops recording.

How do they, it - them Know that I'm recording anything? When I record
a program with my vcr - it doesn't stop and refuse to.

Can anyone help me in figuring out what is going on? Is anyone else
experiencing this - and how can I reocord from my dish?

Thanks,

Donna
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Thank you all for your postings, it seems to me if I can't use my Ati
Aiw9600xt to record from my Tv that customers should be made aware
that their Vcr will work fine but Ati AIW cards won't.

It seems a waste to pay $300 for a video card for Home Theatre only to
find I can't record Live TV.

Nowhere on the Ati site does it mention this.



Brad said:
I had this same problem with recording a few months back. I was given a
patch that tells the software to record regardless of the 'dont let him copy
me' signal.

Sorry I dont have the link, but the patch is out there.
There is a data block in the signal that contains a bit which tells
digital devices not to record that signal.

It's going to get a LOT worse. All HDTV and digital TV will have a
"broadcast flag" by law as of next July. Monitors used with compliant
digital systems will have to have "HDCP" [High Definition Content (or
copy) Protection]. If they don't the digital source (such as set-top box,
HDTV tuner, and others) won't display an image on that display. It means
that if you have a $10,000 Pioneer plasma panel made without HDCP, you
won't be able to connect it via a DVI interface to .... much of anything.
You will have to drop back to a lower quality analog connection.
Virtually all current production displays have HDCP, but there are some
compatability problems, as the technology is not yet completely mature and
debugged.

When I try to record programming from my Dishnet Satellite reciever..
my recording will stop and a window appears me telling me that I do
not own digital rights to this programming and it stops recording.

How do they, it - them Know that I'm recording anything? When I record
a program with my vcr - it doesn't stop and refuse to.

Can anyone help me in figuring out what is going on? Is anyone else
experiencing this - and how can I reocord from my dish?

Thanks,

Donna
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That works for now, because the source equipment was designed before all
of this was fully implemented. It won't work in the very near future,
digital video systems are getting locked down very tightly in the
immediate future.

I had this same problem with recording a few months back. I was given a
patch that tells the software to record regardless of the 'dont let him copy
me' signal.

Sorry I dont have the link, but the patch is out there.

There is a data block in the signal that contains a bit which tells
digital devices not to record that signal.

It's going to get a LOT worse. All HDTV and digital TV will have a
"broadcast flag" by law as of next July. Monitors used with compliant
digital systems will have to have "HDCP" [High Definition Content (or
copy) Protection]. If they don't the digital source (such as set-top box,
HDTV tuner, and others) won't display an image on that display. It means
that if you have a $10,000 Pioneer plasma panel made without HDCP, you
won't be able to connect it via a DVI interface to .... much of anything.
You will have to drop back to a lower quality analog connection.
Virtually all current production displays have HDCP, but there are some
compatability problems, as the technology is not yet completely mature and
debugged.


Donna wrote:

When I try to record programming from my Dishnet Satellite reciever..
my recording will stop and a window appears me telling me that I do
not own digital rights to this programming and it stops recording.

How do they, it - them Know that I'm recording anything? When I record
a program with my vcr - it doesn't stop and refuse to.

Can anyone help me in figuring out what is going on? Is anyone else
experiencing this - and how can I reocord from my dish?

Thanks,

Donna
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Well now I know. but u have to remember its not ati's fault. it wouldent
work with ANY type of thing u used to record. i bet there will be somet that
can go thrugh the protection though. or they will do as i said with music.
allow u to record it but only keep it soo long or not be able to copy it to
a disk.. I dont think they will just shut down dvrs just like that... It
could make some companies money that they need. So my best bet is they will
make an agreement sooner or later. Or the public will revolt! ;P
 
I had the similar problem a while back with a AIW9700 Pro card and
DirecTv, shortly after the multimedia portion of the card failed,
replaced the card and have not had the problem since. In my case it
would sometimes record ok, sometimes would record ok for short time
then end with the "Digital Rights" error, sometimes would shut down
recording immediately. I emailed ATI about the problem about 5 weeks
ago and am still waiting for reply other than the automated response
with assigning a case number. ATI apparently has no customer support.

FWIW,

RAH
 
You are correct, this isn't ATI's doing.

Only digital interfaces will be "locked down tight", for the most part
you will still be able to make analog recordings, although it might
require a device that strips out and replaces the sync signals.

DVRs, where the tuner and recorder are in ths same box, probalby won't
be impacted. What will be impacted will be connection of external
digital devices -- even monitors -- to the DVR. That's the whole point
of HDCP.
 
Barry said:
You are correct, this isn't ATI's doing.

Only digital interfaces will be "locked down tight", for the most part
you will still be able to make analog recordings, although it might
require a device that strips out and replaces the sync signals.

DVRs, where the tuner and recorder are in ths same box, probalby won't
be impacted. What will be impacted will be connection of external
digital devices -- even monitors -- to the DVR. That's the whole point
of HDCP.
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Personally I'm sincerely hoping that every single Justice of the Supreme
Court has to toss a bigscreen TV because of this. That would be the end of
that.
 
I am curious, what kind of input are you using? Svideo? Composite? How
are you recording, do you use some kind of scheduler?

THANKS!
--Dan
 
hiho_boy said:
Well now I know. but u have to remember its not ati's fault. it wouldent
work with ANY type of thing u used to record. i bet there will be somet that
can go thrugh the protection though. or they will do as i said with music.
allow u to record it but only keep it soo long or not be able to copy it to
a disk.. I dont think they will just shut down dvrs just like that... It
could make some companies money that they need. So my best bet is they will
make an agreement sooner or later. Or the public will revolt! ;P
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I have been getting this error for over 2 months now, and have been by
a process of elimination pinning it down to the Ati Software and card.
I thought it was microsoft software causing the problem, but it's
definitely Ati.

I have a friend at work with a Haupage pvr250 Tv Card, he can record
the same programs that I cannot.

I'd say that was definitely Ati's fault!

Donna. $300 for a videocard that only records my personla video
content is way over the rediculous.
 
Donna said:
I have been getting this error for over 2 months now, and have been by
a process of elimination pinning it down to the Ati Software and card.
I thought it was microsoft software causing the problem, but it's
definitely Ati.

I have a friend at work with a Haupage pvr250 Tv Card, he can record
the same programs that I cannot.

I'd say that was definitely Ati's fault!

Donna. $300 for a videocard that only records my personla video
content is way over the rediculous.
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Or perhaps it is the fault of the Congresscritters who voted for whatever
inane piece of legislation requires that that "feature" be present? The
fact that the PVR-250 doesn't have it is irrelevant--it's ancient and
likely predates any current laws by several years.
 
dg said:
I am curious, what kind of input are you using? Svideo? Composite? How
are you recording, do you use some kind of scheduler?

THANKS!
--Dan
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Svhs in, supposedly an analog input.. I have no idea how they shut my
stream down. I only know that I wish I had bought an outdated, old
fashioned Haupage Card that still worked as it was advertised.
 
J. Clarke said:
Donna wrote:




Or perhaps it is the fault of the Congresscritters who voted for whatever
inane piece of legislation requires that that "feature" be present? The
fact that the PVR-250 doesn't have it is irrelevant--it's ancient and
likely predates any current laws by several years.
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DRM eh. >:(
*THE* question lifted from the following article is "Why would a
consumer want to buy something that has more restrictions and less
functionality for more money than current solutions?"

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=19246

Seem familiar Donna?
 
There is (or at least can be) DATA (binary, digital data) in the
vertical sync signals of an ANALOG video signal.

There are a couple dozen "scan lines" that you don't see that occur
during the "vertical retrace interval", the time when the electron beam
of a CRT has reached the bottom of the screen and needs to return to the
top of the screen for the next field (which takes a significant amount
of time). If you remember ever having a TV set with a "Vertical Hold
Control", those are the scan lines that form the "black bar" when the TV
set is out of vertical sync (hold).

In modern TV systems, they put digital pulse data into some of those
scan lines, you can actually see it if you have a TV set with a vertical
hold control and you "roll" the picture so that the vertical retrace and
sync region becomes visible.

Among the data that is put there is a data bit that says "I'm
copyrighted program material, you are not allowed to record me".
Obviously, not all equipment honors that bit, but almost all newer
equipment does.

It's possible that a "video stabilizer" (of the type used to remove
Macrovision) might also remove that bit (more likely, it would just
strip out and replace the entire vertical interval, lock, stock and
copyright bit).

You can find a high-end video stabilizer kit at
www.jaycarelectronics.com. It's one of the highest-end units made, it's
not cheap, it's $65 as a do-it-yourself kit that requires soldering
(even of surface mount components). Also, this is an Australian company.
 
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