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We have auditors that come in from time to time and just plug there laptops
into an open network socket. IS there anyway to prevent the DHCP server form
handing them an valid ip address making them not capable of being on are
network.
 
IF your DHCP server is handing out bad addresses, you have a different issue.
Why would the DHCP server give 'bad' addresses? It's not supposed to..

This assumes that you meant 'invalid' and 'are' meaning 'our'.
 
Its not. What I want to do is prvent vistors to our company from simpling
plugging their laptop into an open network connection and being able to
conect.
 
Hi george,

Thanks for posting!

I understand that you want to prevent a user from getting valid IP address
from DHCP. If I have misunderstood your concerns, please feel free to let
me know.

Based on my research, if you need to achieve the goal on DHCP sever, you
may assign a reservation on the DHCP server. Reservations are permanent
lease assignments that are used to ensure that a specified client on a
subnet can always use the same IP address. For more information, please
refer to the following article:

Creating Reservations
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/windowsserver2003/library/DepKi
t/690d8742-3f92-4eac-ba00-8e93feaafe86.mspx

Add a client reservation
http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/en/advanced/help/sag_DHCP_pro_AddReserv
ation.htm

Advantages of DHCP Reservation over Static IP Assignment
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;170062

Hope the information helps. If there is anything that is unclear, please
feel free to let me know.

Thanks & Regards,

Jason Tan

Microsoft Online Partner Support
Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security

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| Thread-Topic: DHCP
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| From: "=?Utf-8?B?R2VvcmdlIFNjaG5laWRlcg==?="
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| Subject: DHCP
| Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 13:54:33 -0700
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|
| We have auditors that come in from time to time and just plug there
laptops
| into an open network socket. IS there anyway to prevent the DHCP server
form
| handing them an valid ip address making them not capable of being on are
| network.
|
 
You can't. The solution is to have your system designed so that it doesn't
matter if they "get an address". Your security should never depend on what
address someone gets,...especially when you are using DHCP. Security should
depend on "who" the user is and what their "account" is allowed.

If you build your security on what IP# a machines has, then you can not use
DHCP. Reservations in DHCP will cause a machine to always get the same
address, but if you did that on everything you might as well forget DHCP and
statically assign them in the first place.


--
Phillip Windell [MCP, MVP, CCNA]
www.wandtv.com
-----------------------------------------------------
Understanding the ISA 2004 Access Rule Processing
http://www.isaserver.org/articles/ISA2004_AccessRules.html

Microsoft Internet Security & Acceleration Server: Guidance
http://www.microsoft.com/isaserver/techinfo/Guidance/2004.asp
http://www.microsoft.com/isaserver/techinfo/Guidance/2000.asp

Microsoft Internet Security & Acceleration Server: Partners
http://www.microsoft.com/isaserver/partners/default.asp
 
I think I wasn't clear in my earlier posts. I appoligize for the confussion.
My DHCP server is working great for my network. What I want to prevent is
that when we have someone visitng such as our friendly auditors, to prevent
them from getting all of the information from the DHCP server. We have no
way of knowing if there laptops are secure or what they are doing. We do not
want them to access our network or the internet using our aulable nad width
for their activities. We want to prevent unauthorized users from just
plugging in.
 
Hi george,

Thansk for reply!

We can only prevent a "unauthorized" user from geting a vaild IP Address
from DHCP server using IP Reservation. However, I am afraid that we cannot
prevent a "unauthorized" user from plug-in since DHCP is working in the
broadcast domain in a subnet. Machine in In the subnet can all send DHCP
request broadcast to search DHCP server. Once DHCP server find the request,
it will give response. Therefore, we cannot control "unauthorized" user
through DHCP server. Based on my experience, it could be achieved by
configuration on some swithch.

Thanks & Regards,

Jason Tan

Microsoft Online Partner Support
Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security

=====================================================

When responding to posts, please "Reply to Group" via your newsreader so
that others may learn and benefit from your issue.

=====================================================
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.



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| Thread-Topic: DHCP
| thread-index: AcWtn9C7tKwSxw1eSIybYTh3VGmRGg==
| X-WBNR-Posting-Host: 209.244.152.162
| From: "=?Utf-8?B?R2VvcmdlIFNjaG5laWRlcg==?="
<[email protected]>
| References: <[email protected]>
<0#[email protected]>
| Subject: RE: DHCP
| Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 13:17:16 -0700
| Lines: 92
| Message-ID: <[email protected]>
| MIME-Version: 1.0
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| charset="Utf-8"
| Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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| X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.0
| Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win2000.networking
| NNTP-Posting-Host: TK2MSFTNGXA03.phx.gbl 10.40.2.250
| Path: TK2MSFTNGXA01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGXA03.phx.gbl
| Xref: TK2MSFTNGXA01.phx.gbl microsoft.public.win2000.networking:26617
| X-Tomcat-NG: microsoft.public.win2000.networking
|
| I think I wasn't clear in my earlier posts. I appoligize for the
confussion.
| My DHCP server is working great for my network. What I want to prevent
is
| that when we have someone visitng such as our friendly auditors, to
prevent
| them from getting all of the information from the DHCP server. We have
no
| way of knowing if there laptops are secure or what they are doing. We do
not
| want them to access our network or the internet using our aulable nad
width
| for their activities. We want to prevent unauthorized users from just
| plugging in.
|
|
|
| "Jason Tan (MSFT)" wrote:
|
| > Hi george,
| >
| > Thanks for posting!
| >
| > I understand that you want to prevent a user from getting valid IP
address
| > from DHCP. If I have misunderstood your concerns, please feel free to
let
| > me know.
| >
| > Based on my research, if you need to achieve the goal on DHCP sever,
you
| > may assign a reservation on the DHCP server. Reservations are permanent
| > lease assignments that are used to ensure that a specified client on a
| > subnet can always use the same IP address. For more information,
please
| > refer to the following article:
| >
| > Creating Reservations
| >
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/windowsserver2003/library/DepKi
| > t/690d8742-3f92-4eac-ba00-8e93feaafe86.mspx
| >
| > Add a client reservation
| >
http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/en/advanced/help/sag_DHCP_pro_AddReserv
| > ation.htm
| >
| > Advantages of DHCP Reservation over Static IP Assignment
| > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;170062
| >
| > Hope the information helps. If there is anything that is unclear,
please
| > feel free to let me know.
| >
| > Thanks & Regards,
| >
| > Jason Tan
| >
| > Microsoft Online Partner Support
| > Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
| >
| > =====================================================
| >
| > When responding to posts, please "Reply to Group" via your newsreader
so
| > that others may learn and benefit from your issue.
| >
| > =====================================================
| > This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.
| >
| >
| >
| > --------------------
| > | Thread-Topic: DHCP
| > | thread-index: AcWs29u4JT6gm2RNSXC0m/Wq3n2/3Q==
| > | X-WBNR-Posting-Host: 209.244.152.162
| > | From: "=?Utf-8?B?R2VvcmdlIFNjaG5laWRlcg==?="
| > <[email protected]>
| > | Subject: DHCP
| > | Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 13:54:33 -0700
| > | Lines: 4
| > | Message-ID: <[email protected]>
| > | MIME-Version: 1.0
| > | Content-Type: text/plain;
| > | charset="Utf-8"
| > | Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
| > | X-Newsreader: Microsoft CDO for Windows 2000
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| > | Priority: normal
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| > | Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win2000.networking
| > | NNTP-Posting-Host: TK2MSFTNGXA03.phx.gbl 10.40.2.250
| > | Path: TK2MSFTNGXA01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGXA03.phx.gbl
| > | Xref: TK2MSFTNGXA01.phx.gbl microsoft.public.win2000.networking:26588
| > | X-Tomcat-NG: microsoft.public.win2000.networking
| > |
| > | We have auditors that come in from time to time and just plug there
| > laptops
| > | into an open network socket. IS there anyway to prevent the DHCP
server
| > form
| > | handing them an valid ip address making them not capable of being on
are
| > | network.
| > |
| >
| >
|
 
Thanks Tanu for your information. !

Thanks & Regards,

Jason Tan

Microsoft Online Partner Support
Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security

=====================================================

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that others may learn and benefit from your issue.

=====================================================
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| From: "Tanu Mutreja [MSFT]" <[email protected]>
| References: <[email protected]>
<0#[email protected]>
<[email protected]>
<[email protected]>
| Subject: Re: DHCP
| Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:25:28 +0530
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| Xref: TK2MSFTNGXA01.phx.gbl microsoft.public.win2000.networking:26633
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|
| You might be interested in Microsoft NAP technology.
|
| Please refer to:
|
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/technologies/networking/nap/defau
lt.mspx
|
http://download.microsoft.com/download/8/d/9/8d9b3e54-6db7-4955-9e36-58a3f05
34933/NAPIntro.doc
|
http://download.microsoft.com/download/3/9/f/39ff0ca3-56d1-4d93-af46-98f9213
4d040/NAPArch.doc
|
| -
| Tanu Mutreja [MSFT]
| --
| Please do not send e-mail directly to this alias. This alias is for
| newsgroup purposes only.
|
| | > Hi george,
| >
| > Thansk for reply!
| >
| > We can only prevent a "unauthorized" user from geting a vaild IP Address
| > from DHCP server using IP Reservation. However, I am afraid that we
cannot
| > prevent a "unauthorized" user from plug-in since DHCP is working in the
| > broadcast domain in a subnet. Machine in In the subnet can all send DHCP
| > request broadcast to search DHCP server. Once DHCP server find the
| > request,
| > it will give response. Therefore, we cannot control "unauthorized" user
| > through DHCP server. Based on my experience, it could be achieved by
| > configuration on some swithch.
| >
| > Thanks & Regards,
| >
| > Jason Tan
| >
| > Microsoft Online Partner Support
| > Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
| >
| > =====================================================
| >
| > When responding to posts, please "Reply to Group" via your newsreader so
| > that others may learn and benefit from your issue.
| >
| > =====================================================
| > This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
| > rights.
| >
| >
| >
| > --------------------
| > | Thread-Topic: DHCP
| > | thread-index: AcWtn9C7tKwSxw1eSIybYTh3VGmRGg==
| > | X-WBNR-Posting-Host: 209.244.152.162
| > | From: "=?Utf-8?B?R2VvcmdlIFNjaG5laWRlcg==?="
| > <[email protected]>
| > | References: <[email protected]>
| > <0#[email protected]>
| > | Subject: RE: DHCP
| > | Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 13:17:16 -0700
| > | Lines: 92
| > | Message-ID: <[email protected]>
| > | MIME-Version: 1.0
| > | Content-Type: text/plain;
| > | charset="Utf-8"
| > | Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
| > | X-Newsreader: Microsoft CDO for Windows 2000
| > | Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message
| > | Importance: normal
| > | Priority: normal
| > | X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.0
| > | Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win2000.networking
| > | NNTP-Posting-Host: TK2MSFTNGXA03.phx.gbl 10.40.2.250
| > | Path: TK2MSFTNGXA01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGXA03.phx.gbl
| > | Xref: TK2MSFTNGXA01.phx.gbl microsoft.public.win2000.networking:26617
| > | X-Tomcat-NG: microsoft.public.win2000.networking
| > |
| > | I think I wasn't clear in my earlier posts. I appoligize for the
| > confussion.
| > | My DHCP server is working great for my network. What I want to
prevent
| > is
| > | that when we have someone visitng such as our friendly auditors, to
| > prevent
| > | them from getting all of the information from the DHCP server. We
have
| > no
| > | way of knowing if there laptops are secure or what they are doing.
We
| > do
| > not
| > | want them to access our network or the internet using our aulable nad
| > width
| > | for their activities. We want to prevent unauthorized users from just
| > | plugging in.
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > | "Jason Tan (MSFT)" wrote:
| > |
| > | > Hi george,
| > | >
| > | > Thanks for posting!
| > | >
| > | > I understand that you want to prevent a user from getting valid IP
| > address
| > | > from DHCP. If I have misunderstood your concerns, please feel free
to
| > let
| > | > me know.
| > | >
| > | > Based on my research, if you need to achieve the goal on DHCP sever,
| > you
| > | > may assign a reservation on the DHCP server. Reservations are
| > permanent
| > | > lease assignments that are used to ensure that a specified client
on a
| > | > subnet can always use the same IP address. For more information,
| > please
| > | > refer to the following article:
| > | >
| > | > Creating Reservations
| > | >
| >
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/windowsserver2003/library/DepKi
| > | > t/690d8742-3f92-4eac-ba00-8e93feaafe86.mspx
| > | >
| > | > Add a client reservation
| > | >
| >
http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/en/advanced/help/sag_DHCP_pro_AddReserv
| > | > ation.htm
| > | >
| > | > Advantages of DHCP Reservation over Static IP Assignment
| > | > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;170062
| > | >
| > | > Hope the information helps. If there is anything that is unclear,
| > please
| > | > feel free to let me know.
| > | >
| > | > Thanks & Regards,
| > | >
| > | > Jason Tan
| > | >
| > | > Microsoft Online Partner Support
| > | > Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
| > | >
| > | > =====================================================
| > | >
| > | > When responding to posts, please "Reply to Group" via your
newsreader
| > so
| > | > that others may learn and benefit from your issue.
| > | >
| > | > =====================================================
| > | > This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
| > rights.
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > --------------------
| > | > | Thread-Topic: DHCP
| > | > | thread-index: AcWs29u4JT6gm2RNSXC0m/Wq3n2/3Q==
| > | > | X-WBNR-Posting-Host: 209.244.152.162
| > | > | From: "=?Utf-8?B?R2VvcmdlIFNjaG5laWRlcg==?="
| > | > <[email protected]>
| > | > | Subject: DHCP
| > | > | Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 13:54:33 -0700
| > | > | Lines: 4
| > | > | Message-ID: <[email protected]>
| > | > | MIME-Version: 1.0
| > | > | Content-Type: text/plain;
| > | > | charset="Utf-8"
| > | > | Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
| > | > | X-Newsreader: Microsoft CDO for Windows 2000
| > | > | Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message
| > | > | Importance: normal
| > | > | Priority: normal
| > | > | X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.0
| > | > | Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win2000.networking
| > | > | NNTP-Posting-Host: TK2MSFTNGXA03.phx.gbl 10.40.2.250
| > | > | Path: TK2MSFTNGXA01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGXA03.phx.gbl
| > | > | Xref: TK2MSFTNGXA01.phx.gbl
| > microsoft.public.win2000.networking:26588
| > | > | X-Tomcat-NG: microsoft.public.win2000.networking
| > | > |
| > | > | We have auditors that come in from time to time and just plug
there
| > | > laptops
| > | > | into an open network socket. IS there anyway to prevent the DHCP
| > server
| > | > form
| > | > | handing them an valid ip address making them not capable of being
on
| > are
| > | > | network.
| > | > |
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| >
|
|
|
 
Darn good thanks Phillip

--
George Hester
_________________________________
Phillip Windell said:
You can't. The solution is to have your system designed so that it doesn't
matter if they "get an address". Your security should never depend on what
address someone gets,...especially when you are using DHCP. Security should
depend on "who" the user is and what their "account" is allowed.

If you build your security on what IP# a machines has, then you can not use
DHCP. Reservations in DHCP will cause a machine to always get the same
address, but if you did that on everything you might as well forget DHCP and
statically assign them in the first place.


--
Phillip Windell [MCP, MVP, CCNA]
www.wandtv.com
-----------------------------------------------------
Understanding the ISA 2004 Access Rule Processing
http://www.isaserver.org/articles/ISA2004_AccessRules.html

Microsoft Internet Security & Acceleration Server: Guidance
http://www.microsoft.com/isaserver/techinfo/Guidance/2004.asp
http://www.microsoft.com/isaserver/techinfo/Guidance/2000.asp

Microsoft Internet Security & Acceleration Server: Partners
http://www.microsoft.com/isaserver/partners/default.asp
-----------------------------------------------------



George Schneider said:
Its not. What I want to do is prvent vistors to our company from simpling
plugging their laptop into an open network connection and being able to
conect.
 
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