'defrag' memory

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Glad you asked. They are, without a doubt, a waste of time! And, you're
right on the money about reg. cleaners too. I wish more users would ask
first. It would avoid a lot of future problems.

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| Do these 'memory optimizers' actually do any good or are they a waste
| of time (like 'registry cleaners')?
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| TweakRAM
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sillyputty said:
Do these 'memory optimizers' actually do any good or are they a waste
of time (like 'registry cleaners')?

You're being too kind to these memory optomisers. Think snake-oil medicine
salesman and you might be about right.

Look at it this way, selling such a product demonstrates either a profound
ignorance of how modern operating systems work (and hence why would you
install software made and sold by someone that ignorant) or they know how
much of a waste of space the software is and therefore they know precisely
how much they're ripping people off (why give shameless con-artists your
money?).
 
sillyputty said:
Do these 'memory optimizers' actually do any good or are they a waste
of time (like 'registry cleaners')?

TweakRAM
http://www.elcor.net/tram.php


Well, RAM is cheap nowadays, and many if not most computer users have a
comfortable amount of RAM on their systems - some have RAM to spare.
But the "RAM optimizer" programs go back mostly to the DOS/Windows 3.1
era when RAM was $100 for 8 megs (that is not a misprint) and people
were "willing to believe" in any product that could stretch their RAM
use. Doesn't change the fact that most, if not all RAM optimizer
programs were and are "smoke and mirrors".

There used to be a software company called "Quarterdeck". They made a
few good programs of the utility variety, but many of their programs
were predicated on the idea of "stretching" your RAM use. One of their
biggest sellers was a program specific to stretching the RAM. It worked
on this principle:

"Here is a blanket six feet long. I will cut one foot off of the end of
this blanket, and sew it onto the other end, thereby making the blanket
SEVEN feet long!"

You get the idea.

Tony
 
In other words Tony "pyramid selling"?


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windows algorithms prove
the effectiveness of these
programs.

however, i recommend
the one i have been using
for years:

http://www.amsn.ro/

btw: where did you
get your facts about registry
cleaners?

if you use windows, then
you should also follow
microsoft's guidelines:

http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/article/registry_cleaner_why.htm

microsoft has the final
say in regards to it's o.s.

however, it's your final
say in regards to your p.c.

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Do these 'memory optimizers' actually do any good

No.


or are they a waste
of time (like 'registry cleaners')?



No, they are much worse than a waste of time. Like registry cleaners,
they are dangerous, and more likely to cause a problem than to solve
one.
 
But the "RAM optimizer" programs go back mostly to the DOS/Windows 3.1
era when RAM was $100 for 8 megs (that is not a misprint)

I remember when RAM was $35 per megabyte.
 
the answers are at your
fingertips.

when you research what
i have explained, you will
then find a direct correlation
between them.

until then i sit back and
amuse myself with all
the funny adjectives used
to condemn those things that
are not understood.

(snake oil..! funny when it
is used by those who were not
born in those days.)


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Do these 'memory optimizers' actually do any good or are they a
waste
of time (like 'registry cleaners')?

TweakRAM
http:// www. elcor. net/ tram.php


RAM = random access memory

You do know what "random" means, right? It means that fragmentation
is meaningless since memory can be just as quickly accessed from
anywhere in the memory. The other "trick" they like to claim is
recovering real memory (i.e., making more of it available). That
means shoving pages out of real memory and pushing them into virtual
memory (you know, the pagefile on the hard disk). Now which is
faster: real memory or your hard disk? Duh! If you push pages for an
app into the pagefile then the application runs slower because of
having to retrieve those pages when needed from the hard disk. Also,
any unused memory is wasted memory. If you have free memory, you have
wasted memory. It's nice to have some in reserve for those programs
that are pigs but otherwise you are obviously wasting memory if it
isn't being used.

I'm sure the crapware will present statistics that they claim make
your host faster. They'll shove some stats in your face which you
don't understand relying on their explanation that what they show is
something you need. Stop trying to find utilities to tweak or
optimize your system unless you already know what needs tweaking or
optimizing and use the tool to provide ease in making those changes.
Stop wandering around looking for snakeoil solutions. Of course, if
you are fervently enamored with snakeoil, I have some magnetic wrist
bands for sale.
 
windows algorithms prove
the effectiveness of these
programs.

however, i recommend
the one i have been using
for years:

http://www.amsn.ro/

btw: where did you
get your facts about registry
cleaners?

if you use windows, then
you should also follow
microsoft's guidelines:

http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/article/registry_cleaner_why.htm

microsoft has the final
say in regards to it's o.s.

however, it's your final
say in regards to your p.c.

Wow, you really expect so much discussion regarding your posts that
you have to truncate them at just 30 chars per line to adjust for the
repeated indentation in each reply?

Remember that Microsoft bought GeCAD's RAV anti-virus program to
include in their OneCare bundle. They got a crappy AV program so they
could claim that they have some AV protection. Microsoft had to come
up with "something" to make good on their promise to increase
security. They also claimed they had a new OS in Vista which is
comprised primarily of different fluff in the GUI and a slew of other
fluffware.

Remember that the registry are files on your hard drive and that the
registry gets loaded into memory when Windows starts. Applications do
not access the registry from the files on the hard drive. They access
the registry from the memory copy. RAM is *random* access memory
which means it doesn't take any longer to access one byte than another
and skipping over unreferenced bytes consumes NO time when getting at
another byte in memory. The registry is a binary tree database so
searching through it is fast. Yes, there is some miniscule delay in
navigating through the branches if some are unreferenced or orphaned
(versus the eons in timescale that the computer waits for the user to
do anything for input via mouse or keyboard). Not until you have over
33MB in wasted space in the *disk* copy of the registry will you
achieve any "performance" increase of reducing the time to load the
registry by all of about a second or two. Most users cleaning up
their registry have vastly smaller sizes of unreferenced bytes in
their registry that they are cleaning out. They don't save any
measurable time to load the registry and once loaded in memory it
doesn't matter if you had 33MB of wasted space in the registry. It
does, however, affect how much memory you consume to load a copy of
the registry into memory. Considering how piggish anti-virus,
anti-spyware, firewall, and other security products have become, if
you can't afford the lost of 10KB to 33MB of wasted memory then you
really need to rethink what the hell you are loading on Windows
startup.

Registry cleanup utilities exist for one reason: users that feel they
need to occassionally vacuum up the lint. You could do the cleanup
yourself, and that's the type of user that should be using a registry
cleaner. When the utility presents you will a list of proposed
changes, YOU are the authority and claimed expertise that is making
the decision whether those changes are valid or not. I have registry
entries that are never valid under a normal load of Windows but only
when loaded under a particular diagnostics program, and every registry
cleaner will try to get rid of what it thinks are orphaned registry
entries when, in fact, they aren't orphaned under the *correct*
environment. But those using registry cleaners don't interrogate the
proposed changes. They don't understand the proposed changes. They
just say Yes and let the tool do its proposed changes, and the user
hopes that if there is problem that the backup the tool created can be
restored to get the registry back where it was (but going backwards
doesn't always get you back to where you started, especially if
changes have occurred since the backup was made).

A registry cleaner can shave off a few milliseconds to load the
registry into memory on Windows startup. It may produce a second or
two of saved time in the binary searches through the registry over the
course of a full day's use of the computer. The problem is with the
lack of expertise in the typical person that uses the registry
cleaner, along with the de facto scenario that the user doesn't
perform a backup that saves the current system state (including the
registry files) and hopes the backup of changes stored by the registry
cleaner might get them back where they started. These same users of
automatic cleanup tools after incurring resultant troubles will stare
at you like deer caught in headlights when you ask about their backups
(and if they include the system state or are partition/disk images).

The right tool in the wrong hands results in eventual disaster.
 
I just tested OneCare's registry cleaner (as part of their CleanUp
Service). Oh yeah, like that's what I want: a registry cleaner that
tells you absolutely nothing about the changes it proposes to make.
You get to let it make all of its hidden changes or none of them. You
get no choice as to which ones it will change. There is a "Learn
more" link next to the registry cleanup entry before you select to
perform the actual cleanup. It is a help page, not a list of proposed
changes from which you can decide what, if anything, to allow. Yes,
it creates a restore point just like other 3rd party registry cleaners
save a backup of the keys they will change. Big deal. If the tool
doesn't tell you what changes it proposes to make then you are working
blind. Yeah, sure, I'll trust a cleanup tool to alter the registry
without letting my be the ultimate authority ... NOT! Microsoft can't
even remember that it included a popup blocker in IE7 so you have to
disable it to use their OneCare online scan/cleanup. Dumbfucks.
 
there is linux and other
operating systems.

however, i don't think
you have what it take
to test your expertise
and to end the whining.


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Go ahead and sit back and play with yourself. You are correct; There are
many funny adjectives for those things you do not understand.
 
" db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. ."
there is linux and other
operating systems.

however, i don't think
you have what it take
to test your expertise
and to end the whining.


I see you don't have what it takes to eliminate your drivel at the end
of your posts.
 
I see you don't have what it takes to eliminate your drivel at the end
of your posts.

Hell, that's the only thing that makes sense in his posts... at least
it's a full line in length
instead of
his normal
stubby lines. :)
 
VanguardLH said:
I see you don't have what it takes to eliminate your drivel at the end of
your posts.

Think of the ending to those posts as a clue to what's going on here. How
does the bait taste today anyway?
 
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