Deeper benefits

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Are there any deeper benefits to Windows Vista over Windows XP? Any?

I'm not talking eye-candy, a new Start menu .. or the rearrangement of
security policies. But for programmers and developers - they still will be
using C++ Win32/WinAPI and or C# and.NET right? So it's six of one, half
dozen of the other expect that driver programmers will have to go to the
effort to get their code signed with Vista?
 
To the contrary, Vista is a whole new ballgame from a development
standpoint. You have WinFX, XAML, all kinds of stuff that didn't exist
before. Check out the Vista page at MSDN (
http://msdn.microsoft.com/windowsvista/ ).

And from a user's perspective it's a whole new ballgame because the whole
notion of getting at stuff by "location" is really going out the door.
"Where" a thing is stored is largely irrelevant in Vista (as it should be).
It's a radical departure from the old way of doing things, not just a pretty
face at all.
 
You have WinFX etc, but this is going to work under XP / 2003, so no win
there.

but, you have II7, do you need to target II7 eg longhorn server.

If you develop smartclient apps, why not give them some eye candy, you can
WPF in XP but you cannot use things like GLASS.

I am a developer, I use vista as my main dev box, or at least I did until
the RAID controller went pop, its being repaired now.
 
It will be more modern,
meaning:

better support for new hardware
more expandability
better security

sure you will be able to still do things with XP like you still can do
things now with Win2k.

These are the normal things you would expect for a windows version of 2007.
I was just hoping for some other surprises that were unexpected....
 
Your car is of stoneage technology compared to what this 1930 Pierce Arrow
modified
by Nicola Tesla, (the master of electricity and creator of out electric
grid) was.

http://www.2012.com.au/Tesla_auto.html

Bottom line.. there are ways to do incredible things.. IF you stretch your
mind.
 
Ok you got me. We are still burning things for energy and it's time we
stopped this cr*p "en masse". I drive an Echo - comparatively very fuel
efficient for a gasoline automobile with four doors. But it still burns
stuff to move. I'd 'a bought the Prius but they wanted 30 thousand for it.

The planet Venus once had oceans .. but it caught the green house effect ..
now the surface temperature is 1400 degrees.

My point, though, was more on the features of the car. It pretty much had
everything. Power windows, radio, automatic trans, power seats and on and
on. If you bought one you got around very comfortably (and with wild style).
You'd almost be hard pressed to find a car as comfortable today as was the
58 Roadmaster. So when someone buys a new Cadillac Escalade today, they
really aren't getting anything much better on an essential level than the 58
Buick Roadmaster. And both burn a heck of a lot of gasoline.

In the same vein, what's the difference for anyone between Vista and Windows
2000 [assuming all patched etc.]? Well, not too much if you got them all set
up nicely. Heck, if Windows 98 had isolated memory space so that it didn't
crash many of us could still be using it today and getting along fine. Just
about anything can run on top of it.

But your point is taken. Real change for the better is where it's at, and it
takes innovative thinking and will to create it.

Check out the front page of today's newspaper. It has a picture of people
driving to work captioned "What's wrong with this picture?" If you click on
the link today (Apr 28 06) you will see it (tomorrow there will be a
different picture):

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/subscribe/index.html

All those giant personal trucks being driven in the daily commute - with
just the driver but no passengers. No wonder there's a gasoline problem!
 
I agree. I have 2 trends.. One of them is to test things that have
all the possible bells and whistles, and the other is to figure out how to
do stuff with minimal
requirements. I am experimenting on both sides. You can do much with puppy
Linux that
will run on a 486 :-)

We are at the verge of great problems my friend...
Wars for oil? A poisoned earth?
Where are we headed.... ?

What features vista will have is so insignificant compared to these.

Did you notice that tesla page? He did not use rechargeable batteries...
It is not like we normally think an electric car would be.
If you didn't understand what exactly I am implying, read it again....

Imagine for a moment this vision: Floating cars that can instantly speed up
to 5 times the speed of sound
controlled by computers for their routes. Inertia problem, solved. Cost for
energy, Zero.

Does this seem too science fiction to you?

Workshop said:
Ok you got me. We are still burning things for energy and it's time we
stopped this cr*p "en masse". I drive an Echo - comparatively very fuel
efficient for a gasoline automobile with four doors. But it still burns
stuff to move. I'd 'a bought the Prius but they wanted 30 thousand for it.

The planet Venus once had oceans .. but it caught the green house effect
..
now the surface temperature is 1400 degrees.

My point, though, was more on the features of the car. It pretty much had
everything. Power windows, radio, automatic trans, power seats and on and
on. If you bought one you got around very comfortably (and with wild
style).
You'd almost be hard pressed to find a car as comfortable today as was the
58 Roadmaster. So when someone buys a new Cadillac Escalade today, they
really aren't getting anything much better on an essential level than the
58
Buick Roadmaster. And both burn a heck of a lot of gasoline.

In the same vein, what's the difference for anyone between Vista and
Windows
2000 [assuming all patched etc.]? Well, not too much if you got them all
set
up nicely. Heck, if Windows 98 had isolated memory space so that it didn't
crash many of us could still be using it today and getting along fine.
Just
about anything can run on top of it.

But your point is taken. Real change for the better is where it's at, and
it
takes innovative thinking and will to create it.

Check out the front page of today's newspaper. It has a picture of people
driving to work captioned "What's wrong with this picture?" If you click
on
the link today (Apr 28 06) you will see it (tomorrow there will be a
different picture):

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/subscribe/index.html

All those giant personal trucks being driven in the daily commute - with
just the driver but no passengers. No wonder there's a gasoline problem!
Click to expand...
 
BTW, "Longhorn" Server will have IIS7, as will Windows Vista (Home Premium
and above). It won't be backported to Windows XP or any of the Windows
Server Systems 2003.

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These are the normal things you would expect for a windows version of
2007.
I was just hoping for some other surprises that were unexpected....
Click to expand...

Please...as a developer, I don't *want* any surprises in a new OS. I want
the promised features to be delivered as documented, and by the same token,
I don't want any surprise undocumented "feature".
 
Each version of Windows brings new development options. Sometimes they are
used and sometimes not. Users generally don't care as long as an app does
what they want.

The concept of location is not going away. Some may want use other
approaches, but that concept will be with us for some time to come. I
remember how, a few Windows versions ago, listening all the claims about how
INI files were going to be eliminated. Guess what...

Anyone who cares about their data, will know where it is located. Backups
still use this, and drives are way too large for backing up everything.
This PC alone has 500GB of storage, before I consider the other dozen or so
PCs.

What developers do have to do is to be sure their apps work on Vista. Code
signing is more important here, as are a number of other areas that have
changed.

Ed
 
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Or running Windows 98 for that matter because on an older machine it has
lower hardware requirements than say a Win2k or a Vista.



Scary thoughts, eh? I know what I want to do. Reduce my oil consumption. My
dream is to have a self-sustaining place outside the city and a vehicle that
either just sips gas or doesn't even use gas. I have to admit I like cars.
But I don't see any reason for what is going on these days. It's almost a
rape of the planet. It's not fair, it's not right. Like that picture in the
Ottawa citizen - people driving their personal TRUCKS on their daily commute
with no one else on board. It amounts to dirty piggism of the worst sort.
Sure, one would have to admit, gasoline concerns aside, some of these DVD
GPS electronic wonders that people drive are pretty cool. But there's a
disconnect there.



Sounds interesting will read again.



Well, with the testimony of the scientific miracles that have already come
along in my time so far, no. I was somewhat aghast with the speed so many
legislators destroyed any hope of the Segway and other two-wheel gyro
vehicles by banning them from their towns. I wondered if the concern was so
much for the pedestrian as for the automobile manufacturors. It certainly
occured to me that money might have changed hands, as the move against it
was so expeditious.



Anyway, while big personal trucks are wonderful things and oil buring
Escalades and Roadmasters make great and interesting museum pieces - they
pull on the heart, the chrome glints yada yada and get this, 3 DVD
players! - in my opinion it really really is time for the human race to move
on from burning huge amounts of oil.

http://www.epa.gov/emissweb/smcar-06.htm
http://www.tlb.org/scooter.html

'Have a nice one.
 
Surprises to me, not to the developers.
I was thinking more on terms of a surprise that sounds like this:

AT LAST MS ADDED THAT TO XP!
 
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