Datalife Ink Refills for HP

[Ron]

I've got a backup HP printer on a second computer with the tricolor
cartridge. It costs an arm and a leg to replace. Now I see that Office
Max is carrying ink refill sets which claim to provide up to 5 refills
for this cartridge (with another set available for the black one) for
$19.95. One places the cartridge in a special holder which drills and
fills it with ink stored in the top. Since I don't use this
printer to do any critical work it would be great if something like
this actually works. And, presumably, if I did want a really good large
print I could pop an HP cartridge in temporarily. Anyone know anything
about this product? Thanks.

 

[measekite]

Be careful about Leakage

 

[Tony]

I've got a backup HP printer on a second computer with the tricolor
cartridge. It costs an arm and a leg to replace. Now I see that Office
Max is carrying ink refill sets which claim to provide up to 5 refills
for this cartridge (with another set available for the black one) for
$19.95. One places the cartridge in a special holder which drills and
fills it with ink stored in the top. Since I don't use this
printer to do any critical work it would be great if something like
this actually works. And, presumably, if I did want a really good large
print I could pop an HP cartridge in temporarily. Anyone know anything
about this product? Thanks.

Ron
I have no knowledge of the Office Max kits. There are some very good refill
kits for HP cartridges however and theirs may be one of them.
Please ignore Measekites lies about leaking. HP cartridges do not leak when
refilled correctly. He knows this to be true but keeps on spreading the lie.
Tony

 

[Ron]

Tony:

Thanks for the heads up. If nothing else Measekites is a paragon of
stone-walled consistency. At least no more CAPS.

Is there a way to safely remove and keep my existing color cartridge
for use when I want to do sure-fire high quality printing?

I'm actually growing into my Canon ip3000 (which -- and here comes the
flak --) I use with MIS ink quite happily with a wide range of papers,
some of which are pretty inexpensive. I'm not sure that at the end of
the day it does a better job than the HP, but it is very flexible, the
software is great and I get very good results. I was going to replace
the HP with another Canon (once I figure out which ones, gulp, take
non-OEM refills) but if I can cost-effectively keep the HP I will. I'm
looking up at a wall of photos taken over the past six years and
printed on non-OEM inks and am very happy with them.

Cheers.

 

[measekite]

BE CAREFUL OF LEAKAGE

Tony:

Thanks for the heads up. If nothing else Measekites is a paragon of
stone-walled consistency. At least no more CAPS.

Is there a way to safely remove and keep my existing color cartridge
for use when I want to do sure-fire high quality printing?

I'm actually growing into my Canon ip3000

IS THE CANON GROWING TOO

(which -- and here comes the
flak --) I use with MIS

LABELED GENERIC NONAME

ink quite happily with a wide range of papers,
some of which are pretty inexpensive. I'm not sure that at the end of
the day it does a better job than the HP

IT DOESN;T

, but it is very flexible, the
software is great and I get very good results. I was going to replace
the HP with another Canon (once I figure out which ones, gulp, take
non-OEM refills)

ITIS PEOPLE LIKE YOU THAT MADE CANON PUT A STUPID CHIP IN THEIR NEW
CARTS AND CHARGE MORE FOR THEIR INK.

but if I can cost-effectively keep the HP I will. I'm
looking up at a wall of photos taken over the past six years and
printed on non-OEM inks and am very happy with them.

PEOPLE WERE HAPPY WITH THE YUGO TOO

 

[zakezuke]

Measkite said: Segments quoted

it is people like you that canon put a stupid chip in their new carts and charge
more for their ink

Actually I thought it was mostly due to the fact that their metering
system was on the whole inadquate and users ended up printing 'till
empty which resulted in heater burn out. The existing design was not
adquate to establish when you cartridge was empty, only when the
reservoir was. The chip, while costing us more was something Canon
clearly needed to stop the flood of burnt out heads.

And people like us buy non-oem ink because the cost of OEM is just too
high. So if the cost goes up... so does the use of aftermarket.
Q.E.D.

Also it's people like us that keeps the ink market competitive for
without aftermarket there would be a monopoly.

people were happy with the yugo too

I don't know anyone who was happy with the Yugo. IIRC consumer reports
reccomended buying a used car over the Yugo even though it cost more.
There is only one car I can think of that was worse than the Yugo and
that was the Trabant IIRC... common in East Berlin before the fall of
the wall and sported a 2-cycle motor, once said don't think about one
of those capitialists hogs get a nice Russian car... now banned in most
cases because burning oil causes too much pollution, and many didn't
even have metal bodies.

But like many of these printers... i'm sure you've never even met a
Yugo... few people have. They didn't last too long. The last time I
saw one was in 2002... and that was amazing because it was still
running, no doubt after a replacement engine. So I would thank you to
not speak of things you know nothing about. That's a good boy.

 

[Ron]

Well, my dear Miselkite, why do you utterly destroy the logic of your
arguments by being such a condescending jerk? Now, I'm perfectly happy,
as a professional marketing person in IT, to hear that consumer
pressures lead to more proprietary products; this is a mistake that
many companies have made to their great peril and if I contribute to
misconceptions I'm happy to do so in this case. But I am willing to sit
here and bet that as a user of non-OEM products who also makes a pretty
penny doing commerical photography and therefore keeps a pretty close
eye on products 'used in the home', you are in fact not helping Canon
one tiny itsy bitsy tad by pretending to parrot their line. If the
Canon products are so darn good they should not worry about the likes
of me wandering off into non-OEM territories because surely our
practical experience with all these 'inferior' products will haul us
back to mama Canon pretty quickly. Let me add that my personal
experience with digrtal photography leads me to similar conclusions.
Canon's propietary batteries often suck the big one (they have good
company in this regard) and have driven many folks to find
alternatives, or to seek out cameras that use commonly available AA's.
After huffing and puffing a lot Canon is back to some fine cameras that
use AA's. So, chips not withstanding, a bit of consumer pressure will
actually bring them back to common sense.

Jesu Christo.

 

[Frank]

Well, my dear Miselkite, why do you utterly destroy the logic of your
arguments by being such a condescending jerk? Now, I'm perfectly happy,
as a professional marketing person in IT, to hear that consumer
pressures lead to more proprietary products; this is a mistake that
many companies have made to their great peril and if I contribute to
misconceptions I'm happy to do so in this case. But I am willing to sit
here and bet that as a user of non-OEM products who also makes a pretty
penny doing commerical photography and therefore keeps a pretty close
eye on products 'used in the home', you are in fact not helping Canon
one tiny itsy bitsy tad by pretending to parrot their line. If the
Canon products are so darn good they should not worry about the likes
of me wandering off into non-OEM territories because surely our
practical experience with all these 'inferior' products will haul us
back to mama Canon pretty quickly. Let me add that my personal
experience with digrtal photography leads me to similar conclusions.
Canon's propietary batteries often suck the big one (they have good
company in this regard) and have driven many folks to find
alternatives, or to seek out cameras that use commonly available AA's.
After huffing and puffing a lot Canon is back to some fine cameras that
use AA's. So, chips not withstanding, a bit of consumer pressure will
actually bring them back to common sense.

Jesu Christo.

Oh come on Ron...you flatter our troll. He has never ever earned it! He
has real mental problems, as is apparent from his postings. He has
problems with the truth.
Frank

 

[Tony]

Tony:

Thanks for the heads up. If nothing else Measekites is a paragon of
stone-walled consistency. At least no more CAPS.

Is there a way to safely remove and keep my existing color cartridge
for use when I want to do sure-fire high quality printing?

I'm actually growing into my Canon ip3000 (which -- and here comes the
flak --) I use with MIS ink quite happily with a wide range of papers,
some of which are pretty inexpensive. I'm not sure that at the end of
the day it does a better job than the HP, but it is very flexible, the
software is great and I get very good results. I was going to replace
the HP with another Canon (once I figure out which ones, gulp, take
non-OEM refills) but if I can cost-effectively keep the HP I will. I'm
looking up at a wall of photos taken over the past six years and
printed on non-OEM inks and am very happy with them.

Cheers.

You spoke too soon, the caps lock key has apparently been stuck again with
spittle resulting from a minor tantrum.
Sorry I mustn't make assumptions....on second thoughts, why not?

HP printheads do not leak when correctly refilled (the repeat is not for your
benefit<g>).

Yes you can keep HP printheads in good condition out of the printer, trouble is
I don't know of any method of doing this at home. There is a special tape
(usually blue) that is available that is used in conjunction with a clip but I
only know of places that sell this stuff in commercial quantities. You could
experiment. The requirement is as follows...
1. The head has to be sealed from the air.
2. You cannot use anything that has any adhesive that will almost certainly
contaminate the head.
I have seen posts here that say you can keep them in a plastic bag that has a
damp sponge in it but I have no idea whether that is effective.
Maybe someone who has tried this or similar will pick up on this thread.
Tony

 

[measekite]

Well, my dear Miselkite, why do you utterly destroy the logic of your
arguments by being such a condescending jerk? Now, I'm perfectly happy,
as a professional marketing person in IT, to hear that consumer
pressures lead to more proprietary products; this is a mistake that
many companies have made to their great peril and if I contribute to
misconceptions I'm happy to do so in this case. But I am willing to sit
here and bet that as a user of non-OEM products who also makes a pretty
penny doing commerical photography and therefore keeps a pretty close
eye on products 'used in the home', you are in fact not helping Canon
one tiny itsy bitsy tad by pretending to parrot their line.

I really do not give a crap about Canon, HP or Epson but at least they
are genuine companies.

If the
Canon products are so darn good they should not worry about the likes
of me wandering off into non-OEM territories because surely our
practical experience with all these 'inferior' products will haul us
back to mama Canon pretty quickly.

There is a problem with that thinking. You see inferior minds cannot
recognize inferior products so Canon is trying to give them some help.

 

[zakezuke]

are genuine companies.

<edit mine>

As opposed to these fake companies floating about? The ink industry is
older, much older than home printers... and there are well established
companies who's business was printing long before you've been alive.
These are real companies, more so than these new fangled people like
Seiko/Epson, Canon, or HP.

There is a problem with that thinking. You see inferior minds cannot
recognize inferior products so Canon is trying to give them some help.

Actually I thought Canon was protecting their arses from those who
would otherwise print till empty and resulting in burnout. Why else
would their sub-base models be the head on board type? But even so...
I my self reconize that the solution offered by MIS is inferior to
canon OEM, in terms of print life I'd bet on Canon even though they are
the arse end of the industry in this regard. But not being able to
recognize them as being inferior is not something that most people can
even "see". Mind shifts in color, while these can be percieved by most
people, require a point of reference, and average users don't care. The
works I produce are accepted as being fab and I can print 90% more
without added cost.

But you sir, can not recognize the difference because you've never
ever taken the time to look.

If the business model isn't working... it's only common sense to find
another business model. They could for example offer a more spendy
printer which people like me would buy, or lower the prices of their
ink by a factor of 50%, perhaps 75%. This would undercut the house
labled inks that officedepot and office max offer.

 

[tomcas]

You spoke too soon, the caps lock key has apparently been stuck again with
spittle resulting from a minor tantrum.
Sorry I mustn't make assumptions....on second thoughts, why not?

HP printheads do not leak when correctly refilled (the repeat is not for your
benefit<g>).

Yes you can keep HP printheads in good condition out of the printer, trouble is
I don't know of any method of doing this at home. There is a special tape
(usually blue) that is available that is used in conjunction with a clip but I
only know of places that sell this stuff in commercial quantities. You could
experiment. The requirement is as follows...
1. The head has to be sealed from the air.
2. You cannot use anything that has any adhesive that will almost certainly
contaminate the head.
I have seen posts here that say you can keep them in a plastic bag that has a
damp sponge in it but I have no idea whether that is effective.
Maybe someone who has tried this or similar will pick up on this thread.
Tony

There are 3 long term storage techniques that I found work well.
The blue tape works but it's tricky to wipe the ink off the head just
before applying the tape. Also the blue tape from MIS has a tendency to
get stuck on the release paper.
The clips from MIS and reinkkit work well but getting pricey if you have
a lot of cartridges.
The best, cheap, long term storage method is the silicon gel pads from
MIS. They use to be available in bulk but I only see individual ones
listed now and the price has gone up a lot.
http://tinyurl.com/aj2n7