Rod said:
The drive has a problem regardless of whats happening there.
He told you.
Doesn't matter, the raw numbers are what matter.
Not pending sectors they cant.
And if they have to be remapped, the drive has a problem.
The drive still has a problem whichever its doing in that regard.
That's a stupid way using a drive with that many pending sectors.
And even if it does make it go down, they just become remapped
sectors. The drive still has a problem needing that many remapped.
The drive clearly still has a problem if that many are pending.
In fact **** all files will be moved so it's a silly approach to take.
But all that does is remap the pending sectors. The
drive still has a problem with that many remapped.
Not necessarily. The reorganisation involved in
restoring may well see the later sectors not written
to at all depending on how full the drive is.
But you don't get anything like that many
pending sectors on drives that old normally.
So that wont be the problem.
Sectors arent regularly remapped with modern drives that don't have a
problem.
And he shouldn't be seeing that many pending sectors with a modern drive.
Yes, but that's FAR more pending sectors than normal and so there is a
problem.
Pending sectors arent due to wear.
Because that isnt necessary with modern drives.
That wont be the problem in his case because the drive is still in warranty.
That wont be the problem in his case because the drive is still in warranty.
That wont be the problem in his case because the drive is still in warranty.
And a modern drive with that many pending sectors has a problem.
No point, he knows its got far too many pending sectors.
Yes, the disk has bad sectors. Once they become mapped, they're not bad
sectors anymore. So if you get them remapped and no more show up then
how is the disk still going bad if it is NOT showing more bad sectors?
63 sectors are pending remapping (for when next write occurs on them).
32KB total disk space to get remapped on a 3TB hard disk.
66 was the worst so it has already gone down.
The threshold is 200. That threshold has not yet been met.
But you're the expect so the 200 threshold must be excessive.
I've been using hard disks that have reported pending remaps for over 8
years - as long as the remap count went down and eventually zeroed out
(but that requires actually *writing* to the suspect sector at some
time).
You're just spreading FUD to prod the OP to make a possibly non-required
hardware purchase. You sound like the FUD purveyor telling someone that
their CPU must run under 60C despite that the device has been rated for
a *continual* operating temperature of 80C.
The OP should be doing backups whether the hard disk is good, bad, or
going bad. If you don't backup then you deem your data as worthless or
reproducible - and a bad hard disk is not the only cause for losing your
data. Then the OP can continue using his hard disk despite your
doom-and-gloom declaration until the hard disk actually goes bad.
The SMART tools are only showing you the values. They are not making
any recommendations. That's up to the hardware owner to determine.
Remember that a pending sector count (to remap) of zero doesn't mean
there haven't been any remaps. It doesn't tell you how many have
already been remapped. So your declaration that the value must be zero
still doesn't say how many have already occurred. How many have already
been reallocated (to provide a sense of historical remapping but not how
many at a time or a statiscal graph) is listed as the raw value under
the "Reallocated Sectors Count" attribute.
Rather than rely on you to figure out when the hard disk is really bad,
the OP should go by what the device manufacturer encoded into their
SMART table. A threshold of 0 (zero), as the OP stated for attribute
197 (Current Pending Sector Count) means this attribute is for
information only, not to determine when the device is bad. Now look at
attribute 1 (Read Error Rate) which has, say, a threshold of 51. When
THAT value gets exceeded as per what the mfr said (not you) is when the
device is considered compromised. That's why a non-changing pending
sector remap or increasing value over time indicates a problem. The
remapping isn't happening. If the sector gets written to and the remap
count doesn't go down then it cannot be remapped. Yeah, god forbid the
device is allowed to repair itself to remain in service without further
error.
The normalized value (or just the "value") ranges from 1 to 253, so it
cannot be a larger value. Often makers set it to 100 or 200 as the
initial normalized value. Higher is better than lower. If the
[normalized] value falls below the non-zero threshold. called TEC
(Threshold Exceeded Condition), then the disk is considered defective.
Since Current Pending Sector Count has a zero threhold then this
attribute is merely a measurement and not an indicator of disk health.
The worst value is the lowest recorded normalized value.
The makers would love if every user that had a single or dozen or
umpteen sectors get remapped got scared and bought a new hard disk.
Since remapping eliminates the problem providing there isn't future
growth (that is also not reduced through remapping) is when there really
is a problem.
Current Pending Sector Count are those that still need further
investigation which is performed on a later write. Some devices provide
an offline scan procedure as part of its self-diagnostics to test the
suspect sectors after the device is idle for awhile some period of time.
The device may get triggered to run various self-diagnostic procedures.
You can hear the self-diags wandering around the surfaces by letting
your host sit idle (and with no processes doing background requests on
disk access) to know when an offline scan is running (and why some users
wonder why their hard disk is "running" when they're not doing anything
with it). The Offline Uncorrectable Sector Count, if available, is
similar to the Reallocated Sector Count attribute but shows how many
defective sectors were found during the offline scan.
The Current Pending Sector Count does *not* declare the sectors are bad.
The suspect sectors may not be found bad at all upon further testing.
Some transient condition generated a read error. The raw value of this
attribute shows how many such sectors are suspect, NOT necessarily how
many are condemned to remapping.
Until tested, the sectors tracked by Current Pending Sector Count have
NOT yet been condemned as bad sectors. They are pending further
testing. You could wait until you, some process, or the OS happens to
write to the suspect sector or when the offline scan, if your disk has
one, happens to test the bad sector or you could force a test on it now.
Whether the OP wants to believe you or me, he could rely on the disk
manufacturer's own free diag tools to determine the health of their
disk. The testing may not be as rigorous as with payware solutions
(SpinRite or HDD Regenerator) but is probably sufficient. You and I
could argue ad infinitum about what is a "bad" value for Current Pending
Sectors and why it's called a PENDING attribute and the actual status of
those tracked sectors but I'm sure the OP would probably believe the
maker's own diagnostics.
http://support.wdc.com/product/download.asp?wdc_lang=en&fid=wdsfCaviar_Green
You can download the Windows version (i.e., runs as a Windows app) or
get the bootable DOS version (and burn the .iso file to a CD-R). Run
the extended test. Could take hours, especially since it's a 3TB hard
disk.