creating own ISP

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I want to start up a business as ISP so that my customers can connect
to the internet using wireless connection or ADSL routers, what does it
take to be an ISP? i am ready to l earn new skills fast.
 
I want to start up a business as ISP so that my customers can connect to
the internet using wireless connection or ADSL routers, what does it take
to be an ISP? i am ready to l earn new skills fast.
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Interesting. I think it's as simple as getting a high speed trunk
link or T1-T3 line, add wireless access points, register as an ISP then
sell services. For instance if you bought a business connection from ATT
you could resell access to friends and neighbors no big deal.
 
I want to start up a business as ISP so that my customers can connect
to the internet using wireless connection or ADSL routers, what does it
take to be an ISP? i am ready to l earn new skills fast.
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How much do you know about networking, setting up web servers, pop3
servers, SMPT servers, Usenet Servers, DNS servers, Radius servers?

As you're a one man band, Microsoft Server versions are out so how good
are you at Linux?

Getting the connection is the easy part. Setting up all the servers
required is a completely different story.
 
jaster said:
Interesting. I think it's as simple as getting a high speed trunk
link or T1-T3 line, add wireless access points, register as an ISP then
sell services.
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How do you ensure only people who pay can access the service? Do you
know what laws are required regarding retention of logs/e-mails etc?
How do you provide news/mail/DNS?
 
Conor said:
How much do you know about networking, setting up web servers, pop3
servers, SMPT servers, Usenet Servers, DNS servers, Radius servers?

As you're a one man band, Microsoft Server versions are out so how good
are you at Linux?

Getting the connection is the easy part. Setting up all the servers
required is a completely different story.
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And you'll need to know about scalability, how to resolve bottlenecks
etc.

Not impossible to learn but it isn't going to be something you'll get a
decent hang of in a few months.
 
How do you ensure only people who pay can access the service? Do you know
what laws are required regarding retention of logs/e-mails etc? How do you
provide news/mail/DNS?
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Sometimes people over react. I'm sure there will work involved
with getting started. But it would be like getting started in any
business, registrations, contracts, taxes and fees above and beyond
equipment. Starting an ISP out of your basement probably isn't much
different from starting a home based catering service, childcare, web
hosting or adding a wireless access point to a Starbucks.
 
jaster said:
Sometimes people over react.
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Not in this case.
I'm sure there will work involved
with getting started. But it would be like getting started in any
business, registrations, contracts, taxes and fees above and beyond
equipment. Starting an ISP out of your basement probably isn't much
different from starting a home based catering service, childcare, web
hosting or adding a wireless access point to a Starbucks.
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It's very different. There's not data protection, retention and privacy
issues for a start in the ones you've mentioned. And if you're going to
charge for the service, people will expect the same QOS that they get
from a regular ISP.
 
It's very different. There's not data protection, retention and privacy
issues for a start in the ones you've mentioned. And if you're going to
charge for the service, people will expect the same QOS that they
get from a regular ISP.
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Absolutely. This is nothing like setting up a window-cleaning or
catering firm.

Look at the current issue between Google and the US Government with
regard to accessing their records. Now I *know* that Google are a
search company and that you are talking about being an ISP but you
could potentially be asked to provide the same kind of data at any time
in the future.
 
Absolutely. This is nothing like setting up a window-cleaning or
catering firm.

Look at the current issue between Google and the US Government with
regard to accessing their records. Now I *know* that Google are a search
company and that you are talking about being an ISP but you could
potentially be asked to provide the same kind of data at any time in the
future.
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Again I disagree. The A-holes are going after Google, et all because they
are the biggest and they have that information. A-holes are not going
after AskJeeves, IMDB, etc. Like-wise the are not asking local ISP shops
for information. http://www.yourownisp.com/

Gov'ts can ask for information from vendors but if one doesn't have it one
doesn't have it. Which is one reason A-holes are trying to pass laws to
restrict wireless access points to trackable wireless connections.

Services are in the eye of the beholder, some ISPs don't carry newsgroups,
some ISPs don't offer viral protection. I don't know US or state laws
regarding ISP vendors but I know there are lots of cities and
organizations who are providing internet access to their communties.

My ultimate example is cable TV, which started with a guy putting an
antenna on a hill and running a cable to his house then adding his
customers.
 
Not in this case.

It's very different. There's not data protection, retention and privacy
issues for a start in the ones you've mentioned. And if you're going to
charge for the service, people will expect the same QOS that they get
from a regular ISP.
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http://www.yourownisp.com/

In the US the big issues are restrictive competition from the majors and
local regulations.

Services are in the eye of the beholder. For instance, if your town or
neighborhood isn't wired for DSL but you put in a small business T1 to
your home, wouldn't you resell to your neighbors? If customers don't like
the service they will stop being customers but customers put up with a lot
of crap when their ISP is the only game in town.
 
You might look into contracting the setup. Talk to your local phone
company, and also a local Bank about a business loan. Then contact
a lawyer who works with small businesses. After that, hire the people
you need to get the place up and running. You need a good sysad
who has done this before. You need a hardware tech .. or a maintainance
contract with the people who supplied the hardware and did the
installs.
If locals won't work with you because they want to do it themselves,
then go national, and kick their butts. You also need an accountant
who will help with advertising and walk-in customers. You will
certainly
need a web page designer who can put tech support on the web, and
keep it off your business phones. Won't hurt to have a field tech.
Once you are up and running, and stable, you can spend time with
each employee, and get the training you need to become familiar
with every aspect of the business. That will help prevent the sysad
from
hijacking your company.

johns
 
Oh, for Dog's sake. This isn't an argument about whether the DOJ has a
case against Google. It's a (semi) reasoned debate about whether the
man in the street has what it takes to become an ISP.
I think that financially/technically, the answer is no.
When you look at the legal requirements *today* as well as what can be
called upon tomorrow, people with shallow pockets will not be able to
become an ISP.

Analogies with early cable vendors and the early ISPs are not valid.
We've come a long way in 15-20 years and, if you want to step up to the
ISP plate, you need to be able to play with the big boys. If you
encourage Joe P. Public that he can become an ISP with a cable
connection and a home-made contract then you have your head in the
sand. The various authorities, from comms regulators, to ISP bodies
themselves, to the DOJ and various pan-contintental law enforcement
agencies *will* come knocking on you door at some point and, hopefully,
you have the technical, financial, and legal wherewithall to point them
at the wrongdoing customer so that they don't drag you through the
courts.

If you think it's so easy, let's see you start up an ISP today and then
you can offer our orginal poster your pearls of wisdom.

Sigh.
 
in nigeria legal systems goes to the dogs, legal systems aside, i'm
searching for websites that offer words of wisdom to intending ISPs.
 
What?

You want to relocate to Nigeria? Jeez, where do you live right now that
Nigeria seems like a prosperous next step?

Head: Shake, shake, shake
 
What?

You want to relocate to Nigeria? Jeez, where do you live right now that
Nigeria seems like a prosperous next step?

Head: Shake, shake, shake
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There's a lots of earth. Plenty of people living and moving all over the
planet. Amazingly some of those places have radio, TV and even
computers. So if it's relatively, safe, low cost of living, with a stable
food and water supply why not?

You know life here, began over there.
 
jaster said:
There's a lots of earth. Plenty of people living and moving all over the
planet. Amazingly some of those places have radio, TV and even
computers. So if it's relatively, safe, low cost of living, with a stable
food and water supply why not?
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Because the only thing it does have is low cost of living. It's not
safe, especially if you're white, and hasn't even got stable
electricity, let alone food and water supply.
 
personally I don't have a problem with MY gov't taking a random cross
section of what the general public is searching for.
I'd like to know to if it helps homeland security - YOU HAVE A PROBLEM
WITH THAT?

pfft! whats the big deal

or...maybe we should set up our own search engines and compete with
google...
and then we will have more than a cross section, we will have all sorts
of user data.

If I was google, I would just say...DAMN RIGHT! if I can be helpful,
here you go.

They are not asking for personal info etc...

That's my thoughts.
 
personally I don't have a problem with MY gov't taking a random cross
section of what the general public is searching for. I'd like to know to
if it helps homeland security - YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT?

pfft! whats the big deal

or...maybe we should set up our own search engines and compete with
google...
and then we will have more than a cross section, we will have all sorts
of user data.

If I was google, I would just say...DAMN RIGHT! if I can be helpful,
here you go.

They are not asking for personal info etc...

That's my thoughts.
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I don't believe that was my comment. However, for me there are three
issues. One I don't want the gov't or anyone secretly collecting data
without court approved probable cause warrant, i.e., 4th Amendment. Second
there is little proof that data mining will prevent terrorist acts. Third
the government is asking Google for a cross section of searches and
websites related to pornography not terrorism.

The businesses already track your credit ratings so if one is late on
almost any payment your credit risk increases. The Federal and a few
state governments already tried to subpoena abortion medical records to
try and identify women who may have had abortions. Lastly, how would you
feel if you were fired or turned down for a job because of your
undisclosed family medical history?

FYI, particular attention to the end of statement.

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and
effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be
violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported
by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be
searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
 
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