CPU's for use with Vista

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When obtaining a motherboard, should I use a Pentium 4-HT or a Pentium D
CPU?
Or maybe I want a Pentium D with Hyperthreading?
Some say I should ditch Intel altogether and go with AMD.
I am so confused ...
A little help here, please ...

-- Andy

P.S. What memory is best to use with a 800-MHz front-side bus?
 
I would go with an AMD Athlon 64. (Dual-core if you have the money...) But
then again, I'm an AMD person.
 
Dual core 64bit is the basic decision. I see little reason to buy a single
core computer any more. 64bit seems a given also. As to what choice among
those, take your pick.
 
You might want to wait a few more days to see what the new Intel Core 2 Duo
CPU's will be like. Official launch date might be July 14, or the 23rd, or
the 27th, or not.
Quad core CPU's are also in development by Intel, and might show up around
the end of the year or early next year.
A Pentium D with Hyperthreading is the Extreme Edition is it not? Aren't
those CPU's very expensive?

As for memory, Dual Channel will provide a boost in performance. ECC memory
might reduce the number of computer crashes you experience. I have heard
that about 5 percent of crashes can be attributed to memory problems.
 
I'd second that. Intels new dual core is around the corner (code name
Conroe) and initial tests have it beating AMD hands down.

Of the big question is; do you have the patience to wait :) ?

gR
 
Andyistic said:
When obtaining a motherboard, should I use a Pentium 4-HT or a Pentium D
CPU?
Or maybe I want a Pentium D with Hyperthreading?
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I have Vista running on a Pentium 2.4C HT.
Some say I should ditch Intel altogether and go with AMD.
Click to expand...

I have Vista running on an AMD Athlon 64 3000+ and on an AMD Sempron
64 2800+, too.
I am so confused ...
A little help here, please ...
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Choose your CPU following other criteria than the use of Vista... all
Intel or AMD with 1 GHz + will do.

<http://www.microsoft.com/technet/windowsvista/evaluate/hardware/vistarpc.mspx>
will help you!

-- Andy

P.S. What memory is best to use with a 800-MHz front-side bus?
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PC3200 / DDR400 - 1 GB + of a good label (Crucial/Micron, Samsung,
Siemens/Infineon/Qimonda/Aeneon...) - consult your motherboard user's
manual and website.

rOy
 
Just to let you know. People have been complaining about Motherboards with
Intel chip sets It seems Intel hasn't been providing updated drivers for
Vista.
 
android2 said:
When obtaining a motherboard, should I use a Pentium 4-HT or a Pentium D
CPU?
Or maybe I want a Pentium D with Hyperthreading?
Some say I should ditch Intel altogether and go with AMD.
I am so confused ...
A little help here, please ...
Click to expand...
If you want to buy a processor right now dirt cheap pick up an Intel
Pentium D 805. Dual core (2.66 GHz), 2 x 1MB L2 cache. Has a huge, quiet
fan/heatsink. Runs Vista Beta 2 great AND IT ONLY COSTS ABOUT 100 BUCKS!

Combine it with an Intel 945G chipset motherboard, some cheap 533MHz DDR2
memory and you'll have a solid, good performing system for not much money.
 
I realize that the new Core CPU's are around the corner, but will they work
in the existing motherboards on the market, or will we have to wait for
companies like Abit to make new motherboards to support the Core?

I have a feeling that the new Core CPU's will be quite expensive to start.
I expect the price to come down over the next few months, however.

-- Andy
 
I'm using a Core Duo on one machine here. You can order Core Duo laptops
and desktops from most if not all of the major system builders. I think
Core Solo is also available and Core Duo 2 is a few weeks away.
 
One of the good things about the new conroe being released is that the
presler core (the dual core 65nm Pentium D model 9xx) is now dirt cheap, and
I've been using them since release. I have the 950 and 940. Have had no
problem with them since the initial motherboard bios problems. Another
benefit to them that totally made me stop in mid-stride is that my 950
(3.4GHz) runs at about 15c idle and max of 30c under full load. I had
originally thought that either the cpu or motherboard's temp sensor pin was
bad, but I've had 3 motherboards and 3 CPUs all with the same results.
Someone said a bit ago that a lot of crashes happen due to ram. Even more
of them happen due to poor cooling systems. For the price, you can't beat
the preslers...

As for your RAM question: You need to find out, from the motherboard
manufacturer which ram is best for the particular motherboard, since it's
not a matter of the FSB. Each motherboard has VERY specific RAM settings
and most motherboard manufacturers list on their site (ASUS has the best
system for it) which RAM works well with which board.

--
Takali S. Omega
Manager, Raven Mill Computers
Owner, SynTaks E-Works
Host of TechTAK on KFAR 660am
------------------------------------------------------------
ASUS P5N32SLI Deluxe
Intel Presler Pentium D 950
2GB OCZ DDR2-800
2x eVGA 7600 SLI
2x WD 250 SATA2
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|I realize that the new Core CPU's are around the corner, but will they work
| in the existing motherboards on the market, or will we have to wait for
| companies like Abit to make new motherboards to support the Core?
|
| I have a feeling that the new Core CPU's will be quite expensive to start.
| I expect the price to come down over the next few months, however.
|
| -- Andy
|
|
|
| | > You might want to wait a few more days to see what the new Intel Core 2
| > Duo CPU's will be like. Official launch date might be July 14, or the
| > 23rd, or the 27th, or not.
| > Quad core CPU's are also in development by Intel, and might show up
around
| > the end of the year or early next year.
| > A Pentium D with Hyperthreading is the Extreme Edition is it not? Aren't
| > those CPU's very expensive?
| >
|
 
My philosophy is to stick with single core high speed cpu. The next time you
upgrade cpu, motherboard, graphic card, you'll eventually end up with
another computer, and another, and another. Currently, not that many
programs take advantage of dual core. For example, if you run a massive
multiplayer game, it takes over the computer completely. The only time multi
core is an advantage is when you have several tasks runing simultaneously.
Which is not that often.

Now if you have one machine and many people uning tasks on it, then it is an
advantage because it is being taxed severely. In other words a mainframe or
a server.

You get the picture?
 
Mostly, your opinion is flawed. If someone is buying a new mobo and cpu,
there is NO mitigating reason to build a single core machine, a dual core
will cost a bit more, but nothing outrageous, and with the advent of Intel's
truly affordable dual cores....

XP is actually multithreaded and so is Vista, while they may not be
OPTIMIZED for dual core, there are benefits to be had. Also the newer vid
card drivers ARE multi-threaded and can see a boost (albeit small) in games.
Lots of users are more demanding than they think, and gamers/power users
demand absolute best performance. Running say, winamp, an instant messenging
program, 2 or 3 IE windows open, etc., can use alot more resources than you
think, and having a dual core machine makes that a moot point. Also anyone
that does any video or audio compression/conversion, a dual core will
absolutely SMOKE a single core, period. Also some people keep the machines
they build for YEARS, and having a dual core in just a year or so is going
to be VERY advantageous.

If you are building new, go dual core for the best longetivity and value.
 
I knew that would strike a nerve. I have been through many, I repeat many
upgrades, since the 386s. I've heard the same song played over and over and
over.

16 Mhz WOW.
32 Mhz WOW.
486 WWOOOWWW.
486 dual processors, I gotta have one of them.
Pentium 100 Mhz OMG.
Pentium MMX 200Mhz, it cannot be done!
Pentium MMX 233 dual processor, I have one in the closet.
Pentium II
Pentium III Slot 1
Pentium III Socket 370. Grrrr, why did they change packaging?
Pentium 4 1.6 Ghz, they repackaged a Pentium III.
Pentium 4 2 Ghz
Pentium 4 3 Ghz
Pentium 4 dual core

This is marketing at its finest. You get the picture.
 
| My philosophy is to stick with single core high speed cpu. The next time
you
| upgrade cpu, motherboard, graphic card, you'll eventually end up with
| another computer, and another, and another. Currently, not that many
| programs take advantage of dual core. For example, if you run a massive
| multiplayer game, it takes over the computer completely. The only time
multi
| core is an advantage is when you have several tasks runing simultaneously.
| Which is not that often.
|

Might not be that often for YOU...lol Most people have more than one thing
running at a time, and, believe it or not, you do too, whether you realize
it or not. I have done benchmarks for my radio program differenciating
single and dual core CPUs. Even for a system that runs ONLY a game, such as
WoW or UT or GA2...the performance boost is typically about 7-10%, which is
quite a bit on ANY machine. For systems running things like Photoshop or
CAD, the benefits are much more. For systems running business applications
(i.e.: having MS Word and MS Excel running at the same time) the benefits
are phenominal.

Don't let the people who say "if you're only running one application at a
time you won't see any difference" fool you. Your computer, if it's running
any OS built in the last 10 years or so, is ALWAYS running more than one app
at a time. Sometime the performance boost is nominal, sometimes it is huge.
The amount of effect of the dual core is dependant more on WHICH
applications you are using at the same time, because if one of them is
simply sitting there, it is using very little CPU, but it is STILL USING THE
CPU...

--
Takali S. Omega
Manager, Raven Mill Computers
Owner, SynTaks E-Works
Host of TechTAK on KFAR 660am
------------------------------------------------------------
ASUS P5N32SLI Deluxe
Intel Presler Pentium D 950
2GB OCZ DDR2-800
2x eVGA 7600 SLI
2x WD 250 SATA2
 
|I knew that would strike a nerve. I have been through many, I repeat many
| upgrades, since the 386s. I've heard the same song played over and over
and
| over.
|
| 16 Mhz WOW.
| 32 Mhz WOW.
| 486 WWOOOWWW.
| 486 dual processors, I gotta have one of them.
| Pentium 100 Mhz OMG.
| Pentium MMX 200Mhz, it cannot be done!
| Pentium MMX 233 dual processor, I have one in the closet.
| Pentium II
| Pentium III Slot 1
| Pentium III Socket 370. Grrrr, why did they change packaging?
| Pentium 4 1.6 Ghz, they repackaged a Pentium III.
| Pentium 4 2 Ghz
| Pentium 4 3 Ghz
| Pentium 4 dual core
|
| This is marketing at its finest. You get the picture.

So...as someone who was there during the 8088 era, I HAD to comment on
this...You are saying that the people who upgraded (just to use this as an
example) from a 386 to a 486 never saw any difference? If that's the case,
you are lying through your teeth about having been around for that. The
difference in performance was HUGE...and I mean HUGE. Now, while there are
a few of your examples that hold true. To be honest, I never found a HUGE
difference between, say, a P4 2.8 and a P4 2.88, as far as the CHIPSPEED
went. But there were differences there that made BIG boosts in performance.

Anyone who listens to someone who uses the "conspiracy theory" philosophy
(that "marketing at it's finest" line gave you away) on whether or not to
upgrade from a 2GHz machine to a 3GHz machine is a fool.

When Intel sent me my first presler CPU to test and review, I was also
sceptical, because I bought into that a bit also, but when I tried it while
running my media test of Sid Meiers' Pirates, which is not really a very
demanding game, I was astounded at the difference. And to think I was using
it on a system with only an ATI x600.

--
Takali S. Omega
Manager, Raven Mill Computers
Owner, SynTaks E-Works
Host of TechTAK on KFAR 660am
------------------------------------------------------------
ASUS P5N32SLI Deluxe
Intel Presler Pentium D 950
2GB OCZ DDR2-800
2x eVGA 7600 SLI
2x WD 250 SATA2
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