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I recently bought an amd 2500xp + barton cpu and msi kt6 motherboard + 512
ddr400. Can't seem to get chip running at its correct speed, running win2k
which picks it up as an 1100? Suspect a solution is somewhere within the
bios but not sure which particular settings to go for in order to maximise
system performance!
any help appreciated.
 
You might need to check the FSB speed that the chip should run at which
basically multiplies the base speed by a frequency factor e.g. x 1.5 to get
its maximum advertised speed. This is usually found in the BIOS. You should
check that your other components (memory, etc) are compatible with that FSB
speed before you make any changes otherwise you will damage your equipment.
 
Thanks for help.
The chip FBS is 333 and using DDr400 memory! I assume any changes would be
made under advanced chipset settings in BIOS? Under which particular
sections could I make any potential changes?
thanks for your help
 
jg said:
Thanks for help.
The chip FBS is 333 and using DDr400 memory! I assume any changes
would be made under advanced chipset settings in BIOS? Under which
particular sections could I make any potential changes?
thanks for your help

How the bleedin' hell are we supposed to know?! RTFM!
 
I recently bought an amd 2500xp + barton cpu and msi kt6 motherboard + 512
ddr400. Can't seem to get chip running at its correct speed, running win2k
which picks it up as an 1100? Suspect a solution is somewhere within the
bios but not sure which particular settings to go for in order to maximise
system performance!
any help appreciated.

Your board is running the FSB @ 100MHz.
There's either a jumper on the motherboard or a BIOS setting for FSB,
that needs changed to 166MHz.
 
jg said:
Thanks for help.
The chip FBS is 333 and using DDr400 memory! I assume any changes would be
made under advanced chipset settings in BIOS? Under which particular
sections could I make any potential changes?
thanks for your help

the setting should be under either advanced chipset or the very first
option in your bios you need to change the FSB from it's current
setting of 100MHz to 166MHz the memory should have an option under
DRAM speed settings for MHz setting the best way if it works is to set
it to "SPD" other wise you will have to set it to 200MHz.

hope this helps
 
thanks for help, changed the FSB to 166MHZ. cpu now being read at 1835 - is
this correct yes! also i've noticed that since changing the FSB the
cpu/system temp' have increased to 50c/37c! are these safe levels? just
bought new cooler for cpu but system temp' of 37C would possibly indicate
that case/psu cooling is where problem could be.
thanks in advance
 
thanks for help, changed the FSB to 166MHZ. cpu now being read at 1835 - is
this correct yes! also i've noticed that since changing the FSB the
cpu/system temp' have increased to 50c/37c! are these safe levels? just
bought new cooler for cpu but system temp' of 37C would possibly indicate
that case/psu cooling is where problem could be.
thanks in advance


"System temp" is usually the temp of a CHIP taking the temp, not the
case's internal temp... 37C is fine.

50C for CPU is also fine, but if it's an ldle state, more important
would be to run the CPU at full load for at least 30 minutes to verify
it's stable and note that maximum temp at full load... idle temp is
somewhat irrelevant. You might do that with "CPUBurn" (Google search)
or whatever you prefer.


Dave
 
kony said:
"System temp" is usually the temp of a CHIP taking the temp, not the
case's internal temp... 37C is fine.

50C for CPU is also fine, but if it's an ldle state, more important
would be to run the CPU at full load for at least 30 minutes to verify
it's stable and note that maximum temp at full load... idle temp is
somewhat irrelevant. You might do that with "CPUBurn" (Google search)
or whatever you prefer.


Dave
Thanks
I tried running on it on heavy use for about half hour or so and noticed
that the system temp' increased to a maximum of 45c! Suspect I may have to
install further cooling devices? I've been told that I should install a
chipset fan, but I have absolutely no knowledge of what this involves or if
it is of any real benefit?

thanks in advance
 
Thanks
I tried running on it on heavy use for about half hour or so and noticed
that the system temp' increased to a maximum of 45c! Suspect I may have to
install further cooling devices? I've been told that I should install a
chipset fan, but I have absolutely no knowledge of what this involves or if
it is of any real benefit?

thanks in advance

Don't know for Intel but for an AMD CPU that's nothing to worry about.
HTH :)



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I tried running on it on heavy use for about half hour or so and noticed
that the system temp' increased to a maximum of 45c! Suspect I may have to
install further cooling devices? I've been told that I should install a
chipset fan, but I have absolutely no knowledge of what this involves or if
it is of any real benefit?

thanks in advance


Heavy use is relative though, you may now how much of a load that was
but I/we don't necessarily. Using something like CPUburn is known to
produce sustained full-load.

The system temp is still fine at 45C, but it is somewhat of an
indicator that the system might benefit from more chassis airflow,
case fan(s).

The northbridge would be using the "chipset fan", and I can't guess if
you need it or not, since it depends a lot on your particular
heatsink, it's design and air volume moved past that passive
northbridge 'sink.

Personally I always go overboard on cooling, don't recall any
motherboards I have here that still have the original northbridge
'sinks on 'em, i like to have the 'sink cool enough that I could leave
my finger on the base of it indefinitely, but that is not really
necessary, i just happen to have a ton of old heatsinks lying around
and might as well make use of them... if you only plan to run at the
motherboard's spec'd speeds and don't see any instability (and the
ambient temp won't get much higher in summertime) then it's not
necessary to worry about the northbridge, though it can also depend on
how it's attached... sometimes I've seen 'em with a thick foam tape,
more of a decoration than anything else because it wasn't even thermal
tape. In those cases I clean off the foam tape with petroleum solvent
and use thermal paste. It also depends on whether the 'sink has
mounting hole tabs though, some using the tape have none.


Dave
 
kony said:
Heavy use is relative though, you may now how much of a load that was
but I/we don't necessarily. Using something like CPUburn is known to
produce sustained full-load.

The system temp is still fine at 45C, but it is somewhat of an
indicator that the system might benefit from more chassis airflow,
case fan(s).

The northbridge would be using the "chipset fan", and I can't guess if
you need it or not, since it depends a lot on your particular
heatsink, it's design and air volume moved past that passive
northbridge 'sink.

Personally I always go overboard on cooling, don't recall any
motherboards I have here that still have the original northbridge
'sinks on 'em, i like to have the 'sink cool enough that I could leave
my finger on the base of it indefinitely, but that is not really
necessary, i just happen to have a ton of old heatsinks lying around
and might as well make use of them... if you only plan to run at the
motherboard's spec'd speeds and don't see any instability (and the
ambient temp won't get much higher in summertime) then it's not
necessary to worry about the northbridge, though it can also depend on
how it's attached... sometimes I've seen 'em with a thick foam tape,
more of a decoration than anything else because it wasn't even thermal
tape. In those cases I clean off the foam tape with petroleum solvent
and use thermal paste. It also depends on whether the 'sink has
mounting hole tabs though, some using the tape have none.


Dave


Thanks alot,
Interesting points! The board i'm using is an MSI KT6 DELTA - I have not
modified/installed any heatsink fan on the chipset since purchase of the
hardware and to be honest i'm not completely sure how well equipped it
comes. I have checked the website but haven't been able to establish either
way? I do however itend to run the board hopefully beyond spec' speeds which
I understand would definately require further cooling, possibly a case fan
sounds like an option. Have you any idea of the cost involved in installing
such a device.

thanks again for your help
 
Interesting points! The board i'm using is an MSI KT6 DELTA - I have not
modified/installed any heatsink fan on the chipset since purchase of the
hardware and to be honest i'm not completely sure how well equipped it
comes. I have checked the website but haven't been able to establish either
way?

At this point it may be just something to keep in mind, no need to
change anything that works properly.

I see a picture, possibly of the heatsink it uses, here:
http://images10.newegg.com/productimage/13-130-428-03.JPG
If that's the 'sink it should be plenty sufficient and probably is
using heatsink compound. I doubt it'll be a problem providing you
have adequate case airflow.
I do however itend to run the board hopefully beyond spec' speeds which
I understand would definately require further cooling, possibly a case fan
sounds like an option. Have you any idea of the cost involved in installing
such a device.

thanks again for your help

It all depends on the particular case. Other than the fan in the
power supply, the next fan as per AMD recommendations is right under
the power supply. Most cases have a mounting point there but often
it's overly obstructed with a stamped-in-metal grill. The larger
part of getting another fan into a case isn't the expense, it's the
time, labor, unless you don't have tools like a dremel or sabre saw,
then I guess it does start to get expensive, though with today's
cheap/thin cases even a budget $5 pair of tin snips will cut right
though a fan grill if you don't care how pretty it turns out.

Typically a fan is about $6, more expensive if you're not buying
anything else and pay shipping for just a fan, or less expensive if
you buy in bulk or at electronics surplus vendors instead of computer
hardware vendors (though you decrease the odds of getting a fan with a
connector compatible to your needs, either the 3-pin for a vacant
motherboard header or 4-pin for a power supply. You can certainly get
a fan at most computer shops or stores, but be sure of the quality,
many places just overprice junk fans.

Most experienced builders really like Panaflo's fans, particularly the
L1A speed, which has a very good noise to airflow rating, long life,
and is usually quite a bit less expensive than the next-better fans,
Papst.

Most sleeve-bearing fans are junk, I usually only recommend Panaflo or
Papst's sleeve-bearing models.. there are others that aren't bad but
far less common. In any other make of fan you might seek a DUAL
ball-bearing model. If it's a cheap fan and doesn't specify "dual"
bearings it's probalby not a very good fan, though you may need to
visit the fan manufacturer's website to get reliable specs... if you
can't find the manufacturer's website with a simple Google search, it
probalby isn't a very good fan either. Nidec, Papst, Panaflo, NMB,
Sunon, Sanyo, Delta, Comair-Rotron, are a few of the better brands.


You'll have to measure your case to determine the fan size you need,
usually 80mm, sometimes 92 or 120mm, rarely only 60mm, though if it's
60m it might be better to find somewhere else to mount an 80m or
larger fan, as a 60mm barely moves any air at all in a model quiet
enough to be unobtrusive. Generally to end up with a quiet fan you'd
want something in the 1600-2300 RPM range, typically it needs to be
under 2000 RPM to be truly quiet unless something else is loud enough
to drown out it's noise.

Anyway, other than that it's pretty straightforward.. .only you can
see where a fan will fit and what needs done to get it in there, in
your particular case.

If you'll be wanting filters or need mounting screws and/or adapters
too, one of the best places to get all-at-once for a reasonable price
is here:
http://www.svcompucycle.com/

Dave
 
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