Corrupt Files

[Guest]

Hi everybody,
need help. After installing Vista Home Premium (on a PC running XP) i get
corrupt files in Vista first time i restart. PC always runs chkdsk. Memory
checked and is ok.
Attached is the Vista Upgrade report.
Hope you can help
Thanks
Juerg

System details:
No issues were detected for these system components
The following table contains system components that meet the minimum
hardware requirements needed for Windows Vista. Category Action Required
Explanation
CPU No action required Your computer's CPU is Intel® Pentium® 4 CPU 3.00GHz
System memory (RAM) No action required Your computer has 2.00 GB of RAM.
DVD drive No action required Your computer can read DVDs.

Device details:
Cannot find information on these devices
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Category Model Manufacturer Action Required

Pinnacle Marvin Bus Pinnacle Systems There is no compatibility data
available for this device. For more information, go to the device
manufacturer's website or Windows Marketplace, or contact your retailer.

C-Media High Definition Audio Device C-Media There is no compatibility data
available for this device. For more information, go to the device
manufacturer's website or Windows Marketplace, or contact your retailer.

WinFast TV2000 XP WDM TVTuner Leadtek Research Inc. There is no
compatibility data available for this device. For more information, go to the
device manufacturer's website or Windows Marketplace, or contact your
retailer.

WinFast TV2000 XP WDM Crossbar Leadtek Research Inc. There is no
compatibility data available for this device. For more information, go to the
device manufacturer's website or Windows Marketplace, or contact your
retailer.

Acronis TrueImage Backup Archive Explorer Acronis There is no compatibility
data available for this device. For more information, go to the device
manufacturer's website or Windows Marketplace, or contact your retailer.

Acronis True Image Backup Archive Explorer Acronis There is no
compatibility data available for this device. For more information, go to the
device manufacturer's website or Windows Marketplace, or contact your
retailer.

Asus Video3D Device ASUSTeK There is no compatibility data available for
this device. For more information, go to the device manufacturer's website or
Windows Marketplace, or contact your retailer.

Enhanced Display Driver Helper Service ASUSTeK There is no compatibility
data available for this device. For more information, go to the device
manufacturer's website or Windows Marketplace, or contact your retailer.

pcouffin device for 32 bits systems VSO Software There is no compatibility
data available for this device. For more information, go to the device
manufacturer's website or Windows Marketplace, or contact your retailer.

No issues were detected for these devices
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installation of Windows Vista. Category Model Manufacturer Action Required

WinFast TV2000 XP WDM Audio Capture Leadtek Research Inc. If you disable
automatic updating during Windows Vista installation, go to the Windows
Update website after installation to get the latest driver for this device.

EPSON Stylus C62 Series EPSON No action required

NVIDIA GeForce 7800 GT NVIDIA No action required

Marvell Yukon 88E8053 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller Marvell No action
required

Intel® 82801FB Ultra ATA Storage Controllers - 2652 Intel No action required

Intel® 82801FB/FBM Ultra ATA Storage Controllers - 266F Intel No action
required

Intel® 82801FB/FBM USB Universal Host Controller - 2658 Intel No action
required

Intel® 82801FB/FBM USB Universal Host Controller - 2659 Intel No action
required

Intel® 82801FB/FBM USB Universal Host Controller - 265A Intel No action
required

Intel® 82801FB/FBM USB Universal Host Controller - 265B Intel No action
required

Intel® 82801FB/FBM USB2 Enhanced Host Controller - 265C Intel No action
required

Philips SPC 900NC PC Camera; Composite A/V Device Philips CE CSI No action
required

WinFast TV2000 XP WDM Video Capture Leadtek Research Inc. No action required

Philips SPC 900NC PC Camera; Audio (Microphone) Philips CE CSI No action
required

Conexant 56K PCI Soft Modem CXT No action required

Texas Instruments OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller Texas
Instruments No action required

Philips SPC 900NC PC Camera Philips CE CSI No action required

ITE IT8211 ATA/ATAPI Controller ITE Tech, Inc. No action required

Program details:
Review these program issues for Windows Vista
Check the following table for program issues you should address to ensure
they will work properly with Windows Vista. Issue Type Program Vendor
Version Data Source Action Required
Calculator Powertoy for Windows XP Microsoft Corporation 1.0.1 Microsoft
This program might have minor compatibility issues after upgrading to Windows
Vista. For more information, go to the vendor's website.
Microsoft IntelliType Pro 5.0 Microsoft Corporation 5.0.174.0 Microsoft
This program might have minor compatibility issues after upgrading to Windows
Vista. For more information, go to the vendor's website.
Microsoft IntelliPoint 5.0 Microsoft Corporation 5.0.174.0 Microsoft This
program might have minor compatibility issues after upgrading to Windows
Vista. Click here to download an update.
MSN Explorer Microsoft This program might have minor compatibility
issues after upgrading to Windows Vista. Click here to download an update.
PowerDVD CyberLink Corporation Microsoft This program might have minor
compatibility issues after upgrading to Windows Vista. Click here to download
an update.
Powertoys for Windows XP Microsoft This program might have minor
compatibility issues after upgrading to Windows Vista. For more information,
go to the vendor's website.
Windows Messenger Microsoft This program might have minor
compatibility issues after upgrading to Windows Vista. For more information,
go to the vendor's website.

These programs have a Windows Vista logo
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Logo from Microsoft. Program Vendor Version Logo Type Action Required
AVG 7.5 GRISOFT, s.r.o. 7.5
Microsoft This program has no known compatibility issues.
Garmin Training Center 3.2.3 Garmin Ltd or its subsidiaries 3.2.3
Microsoft This program has no known compatibility issues.
Google Toolbar for Internet Explorer
Microsoft This program has no known compatibility issues.
Microsoft .NET Framework 1.1 1.1
Microsoft This program has no known compatibility issues.
Microsoft .NET Framework 3.0 Microsoft Corporation 3.0
Microsoft This program has no known compatibility issues.
Microsoft Flight Simulator X Microsoft Corp. 10.0.60905.0
Microsoft This program has no known compatibility issues.
MSXML 4.0 SP2 Parser and SDK Microsoft Corporation 4.20.9818.0
Microsoft This program has no known compatibility issues.

Task list:
Selected Edition Current System Configuration
Manufacturer:To Be Filled By O.E.M.Model:To Be Filled By O.E.M.CPU:Intel®
Pentium® 4 CPU 3.00GHzMemory:2.00 GBHard Disk Drives:"C" - 114.60 GB Free
(149.05 GB Total)
"D" - 41.96 GB Free (75.00 GB Total)
"E" - 40.70 GB Free (75.00 GB Total)
"H" - 73.98 GB Free (74.05 GB Total)
"I" - 19.82 GB Free (74.05 GB Total)


Things you need to do before installing Windows Vista
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your system before installing Windows Vista.
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Please visit Windows Update to download all the latest critical updates for
your system after installing Windows Vista.
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Firewall will be turned on to protect you after you install Windows Vista.
You should only disable Windows firewall if you install and enable a
compatible third party firewall. If you were using a third party solution on
Windows XP, you should contact your vendor to ensure you have a Windows Vista
compatible program.
Programs
Issue Type Program Vendor Version Data Source Action Required
Calculator Powertoy for Windows XP Microsoft Corporation 1.0.1 Microsoft
This program might have minor compatibility issues after upgrading to Windows
Vista. For more information, go to the vendor's website.
Microsoft IntelliType Pro 5.0 Microsoft Corporation 5.0.174.0 Microsoft
This program might have minor compatibility issues after upgrading to Windows
Vista. For more information, go to the vendor's website.
Microsoft IntelliPoint 5.0 Microsoft Corporation 5.0.174.0 Microsoft This
program might have minor compatibility issues after upgrading to Windows
Vista. Click here to download an update.
MSN Explorer Microsoft This program might have minor compatibility
issues after upgrading to Windows Vista. Click here to download an update.
PowerDVD CyberLink Corporation Microsoft This program might have minor
compatibility issues after upgrading to Windows Vista. Click here to download
an update.
Powertoys for Windows XP Microsoft This program might have minor
compatibility issues after upgrading to Windows Vista. For more information,
go to the vendor's website.
Windows Messenger Microsoft This program might have minor
compatibility issues after upgrading to Windows Vista. For more information,
go to the vendor's website.

 

[John Barnes]

Are you formatted NTFS or FAT32? Are you shutting down properly? Have you
run Chkdsk with the /f option to repair the problems, then does the 'dirty'
bit get set for the next time you run? What volume has the chkdsk being run
on it - is it the Vista volume or another one?

 

[Guest]

Thanks for the reply,
-formatted NTFS
-do shut down properly
-do not know what the /f option is.
-Chkdsk always runs on the Vista OS
-i see a lot of $ 130 File 2346 and recovering orphaned files while Chkdsk
runs
tThanks for your help
Juerg

 

[John Barnes]

Go to your my computer, right click on your Vista drive, select properties
then tools, then error checking/check now then make sure you have
automatically fix (/f) system errors checked. Run it. If you still have
errors you should run the other option. You may have a disk failing, though
Vista is pretty good about warning if that is detected.

 

[Guest]

Thanks again for the reply. Unfortunately problem not fixed. Running Chkdsk
with fix errors checked solved the problem temporarily only. After working
for a few minutes (installed AVG and Skype) Vista volume again corrupt at
start up! Do you think my hardware is the problem? Or running the PC with
Vista and XP? Also checked the disk, it is ok.
Please help.
Juerg

 

[John Barnes]

The only problem running XP and Vista in dual boot is the loss of recovery
(system and files). Since you are formatted NTFS it is very rare for the
dirty bit to be set since most writes are logged and can be recovered even
during an improper shutdown. Do you have both XP and Vista on the same
drive? If you ran the try to recover bad cylinders the drive should be okay
and in my experience Vista is pretty good at warning about failing drives.
I know enough about AVG to know it is unlikely to be a problem and I haven't
seen any similar postings related to Skype or your problem. Hopefully
someone else will have some ideas.

 

[cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user)]

The only problem running XP and Vista in dual boot is the loss of recovery
(system and files). Since you are formatted NTFS it is very rare for the
dirty bit to be set since most writes are logged and can be recovered even
during an improper shutdown.

Correction: Reverted (i.e. lost) after an improper shutdown.

How do you "recover" something that was never written to disk?

You can't. All you can do is clean up the mess, and the way NTFS does
that (revert to state before the file was created or saved) is not
very different to what happens in FATxx (reclaim broken files as lost
chains, truncate incomplete files, etc.)

Yes, the file system's sane again, either way.

But your changes are GONE.

in my experience Vista is pretty good at warning about failing drives.

I haven't seen Vista on a bad HD - what does it do, and how early does
it warn you? NTFS auto-"fixes" bad sectors on the fly, just as the
HD's own logic tries to do; does it alert when this happens, or does
it blithely carry on until this process finally fails altogether?

60% yes. I'd do 24 hours in MemTest86, with some other boot disk in
place so that a spontaneous restart won't just re-run the test and
appear "OK". You say you've checked the physical HD; how?

If there are ANY errors on either a physical HD check, or a 24-hour
RAM testing session, that's bad hardware that needs to be replaced.

One exception: Some Acers throw errors in MemTest86 even when "OK",
due to some compatibility screwup. Avoid.

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[John Barnes]

You may not like my wording, but this is from Vista Inside/Out

Because NTFS volumes keep a journal of all disk activities, they are able to
recover and remain clean even if you shut down in the middle of a disk
write. Check Disk is most likely to run automatically at startup only on
FAT32 volumes, after an unexpected shutdown.

I had a disk failure warning during either beta or RC1. I don't remember
the exact wording. In my case it was a loose SATA cable.

 

[cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user)]

You may not like my wording, but this is from Vista Inside/Out

Your wording's fine

Because NTFS volumes keep a journal of all disk activities, they are able to
recover and remain clean even if you shut down in the middle of a disk
write. Check Disk is most likely to run automatically at startup only on
FAT32 volumes, after an unexpected shutdown.

Read all that stuff about journalling and rollback very carefully. It
will at some point acknowledge that this only maintains metadata, not
what they call "user data", i.e. the actual content of the files.

Also, the inherent problem remains; material that has never reached
the disk from RAM is nowhere to be found on disk, and therefore cannot
be recovered on disk. It's still just fallback and discard.

I had a disk failure warning during either beta or RC1. I don't remember
the exact wording. In my case it was a loose SATA cable.

That sounds more of a show-stopper than NTFS's auto-fix couldn't hide

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[John Barnes]

Your wording's fine


Read all that stuff about journalling and rollback very carefully. It
will at some point acknowledge that this only maintains metadata, not
what they call "user data", i.e. the actual content of the files.

Also, the inherent problem remains; material that has never reached
the disk from RAM is nowhere to be found on disk, and therefore cannot
be recovered on disk. It's still just fallback and discard.

I agree that the data are lost. The journaling just prevents the problem we
are talking about, which is the setting of the dirty bit in the registry
which causes the engagement of chkdsk on startup.

That sounds more of a show-stopper than NTFS's auto-fix couldn't hide

If I recall the message went on to say that I should begin copying my files
etc to another drive, etc.

 

[Guest]

Thanks again for replying. Really appreciate your help. I am running Vista
and XP on seperate drives. Have 3 drives in my PC. Do you think i have to
change my Mobo?
or Processor?
Regards
Juerg