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me said:
why not concentrate on cookies..?...why would they make a
antispyware..not detect cookies..
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Because cookies cannot damage your PC, or Windows, or any of your software
or settings. They are just passive items of text.

We have much more dangerous things to worry about.
 
Because cookies are harmless and cannot cause you or your
system any problems there's already alot of options built
into IE to control cookies

Goto tools on the top bar then Internet Options, you can
delete cookies from there

Then goto the Privacy tab and click Advanced, here you
will find more options to restrict cookies even getting
onto your system

Either that or buy some chocolate chip cookies, stop
worrying about the harmless ones then eat the nice ones ;)

Andy
 
Well, Andy, MS must love you.............

Tracking cookies are not harmless, its a privacy
violation.

It is up to every thinking user if they want to permit
tracking cookies or not, and all IE settings for this is a joke.

IMHO

--
plun



AndyManchesta explained on 2005-07-23 :
 
Well, Tracking cookies is OK from respected companys
but nowadays also the bad guys using them so
they are "dead" for me. I always removes this "shit".

--
plun



Tom Emmelot formulated the question :
 
Hi Plun

Its a matter of opinion so Im not going to disagree with
you if you find the a threat, Pesonally they do not
bother me at all as they are just strings of text.

But if you are concerned with them use the Advanced menu
as I discribed in my first post and block what you want
from there take out first and third party cookies and you
will never need to worry about them again, Of course then
you will need to retype passwords on sites and they will
not remember your settings but its really whatever is
best for you.

If you are worried about this threat then saying use
Adaware would be too late as they are already on your
system by then and whatever you are worried about would
of already happened so block them all if you wish then Ad-
aware isnt needed to remove them ;)

Andy
 
thank you ...good to know...so just deleting cookies under
internet options is good enough...?..sounds good to me..i
dont want to have to download..other software..to track
cookies..seems ridiculous..by the way...can i run other
spyware..with MASp..is it compatible with others..i know
virus checkers arent good to do that with ..is it ok..to
do with antispyware..if i detect spyware on my pc and
mas..isnt detecting it can i put another one..is what im
saying i guess...thank you...me..
-----Original Message-----
me said:
why not concentrate on cookies..?...why would they make a
antispyware..not detect cookies..
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Because cookies cannot damage your PC, or Windows, or any of your software
or settings. They are just passive items of text.

We have much more dangerous things to worry about.

--
Robin Walker [MVP Networking]
(e-mail address removed)


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Hi Me

yeah its fine having lots of different spyware removers
if you wish but try to avoid running them at the same
time, really thats just because it will slow the system
down but they will not conflict with each other, Your
right about AntiVirus programs having more than one can
lead to problems, ususally because one can pick up the
definitions stored the other and may give you false
alerts.

On my system Its abit overkill but it works well for me

I have
MSAS,Spysweeper,Adaware,Spybot,SpywareGuard,SpywareBlaster
,Ccleaner,Norton Internet Security & Norton
Systemworks,Then other removers and tools for when Im
testing but you dont need any of them for day to day use.

So the answer to your question is Yes you should install
more than One remover as then you can be sure your system
is clean and stays clean .

Regards Andy
 
Hi

What is good with tracking cookies ? Beutiful pies and spreadsheets for
directors or ? "Crazy cookonuts"........ ;)

http://www.antispywarecoalition.org/definitions.pdf

• Tracking Cookies andother similar technologies
(e.g. PIE) Other Tracking Technologies

Used to gather limited information about user
activities without installing any software on the user’s
computers

• May allow unwanted information to be collected about visited web
sites

• May be used for desired customization or personalization :
e.g. “similar items you might likeâ€

• May allow advertisers to avoid showing the
same ad too often to the same person.
 
Hi Plun

Im not going to visit that link as I know what cookies
are and what they do but its great you have posted it as
it may help other people,

Like I said if you are concerned about this then use the
advanced menu and block them but they are not a threat no
matter what some other sites say,

At present Im running a VM machine thats infected with
Aurora,CWS and Smitfraud plus afew other things that Im
still trying to figure out so Im abit busy to be reading
links on cookies as they are not a problem,

For anyone who doesnt know VMware is excellent it a
machine inside a machine and I can happily infect it with
anything without it getting on to my main pc so It makes
a perfect machine to infect to test malware, No one
should get themselves infected though but I like to work
out what makes them tick and find ways to break them down
so Thanks for the info Plun but at present I've got
bigger problems to deal with :)

Chat to you later mate

Andy
 
Well, it´s always small problems and big problems,
call them challengies ;)

And I will always remove these "Tracking Cockonuts" as a
small challenge ! until someone can explain benefits with them.

- Not showing the same advertisment ;) ;) ;)
 
I agree with you Plun people make out tracking cookies
are a major threat but I dont share that view, This is
just my own opinion though so I appreciate everyone will
have different opinions on this.

You can block them in the way I said in my first post or
use Adaware & Ccleaner like you posted so they are easily
removed using either IE's own settings or the programs
you posted

Its good there is afew ways to remove these for the
people who worry about them so its already dealt with in
my view, MSAS doesnt need to include them but I
appreciate it would make people happier if they did.

I'm sure the feedback MS receive will help them decide if
they should include cookies in beta2 or the final release
so its great people like yourself provide them with your
views on this,

Thanks Andy
 
plun said:
And I will always remove these "Tracking Cockonuts" as a
small challenge ! until someone can explain benefits with them.
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The benefits, which you and other internet users enjoy, is that many
resources on the internet are free of charge to the end-user. But nothing
is free of cost, and in many cases the costs of the so-called "free"
resources are met by advertising. The tracking cookies enable, for
instance, internet sales companies to reward the site that carried the
advert that led to the customer coming to the sales site, rather than
spreading their advertising budget around willy-nilly on unproductive
sites..

The alternative to accepting the existence of advertising on the internet is
that you will have to be prepared to pay more for the resources you exploit
on the internet. Advertising is not intrinsically evil. You might not like
it, and you are free to seek to avoid receiving it, but like it or not, you
do receive benefit from it. It's not just the fat cats in the boardrooms
who benefit, it's you as well. Somewhere in the world, someone else is
paying for the free resources that you exploit on the internet.
 
Robin Walker [MVP] explained :
The benefits, which you and other internet users enjoy, is that many
resources on the internet are free of charge to the end-user. But nothing is
free of cost, and in many cases the costs of the so-called "free" resources
are met by advertising. The tracking cookies enable, for instance, internet
sales companies to reward the site that carried the advert that led to the
customer coming to the sales site, rather than spreading their advertising
budget around willy-nilly on unproductive sites..

The alternative to accepting the existence of advertising on the internet is
that you will have to be prepared to pay more for the resources you exploit
on the internet. Advertising is not intrinsically evil. You might not like
it, and you are free to seek to avoid receiving it, but like it or not, you
do receive benefit from it. It's not just the fat cats in the boardrooms who
benefit, it's you as well. Somewhere in the world, someone else is paying
for the free resources that you exploit on the internet.
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Well, statistics about sites can be done without "tracking cockonuts".
IPadress,OS and browser and a timestamp. And this "rewarding" is
something really sick, spammers also use this stupid trick so they can
pay for the Zombie army.

And of course advertising is needed, this is one of the most popular
sites in my country and of course they advertise. Nothing is for free.
http://www.aftonbladet.se/
 
In all the messages that I have seen in here anbout
cookies, it is clear that a lot of people are in need of
software that can wipe them whenever they want to do so.
There are a couple of very good Anti-Spyware-Programs
available that offer that possibility : that is one of
the reasons why these programs are popular.

I thought that MS is very customer-oriented, then why all
that fuzz about cookie-deletion being unnecessary ?
If the user wants to have it, then why not giving it to
him ?

Lavasoft's Ad-Aware is taking care very well of both on
my machine (Spyware and Cookies), and MSAS is not going
to come on my machine for as long as it does not take
care about cookies.

I couldn't care less whether they are harmless or not, I
just want a possibility to wipe them when I feel like it.
Software like Ad-Aware offer me this possibility !
b.t.w. the cookie-features in IE are not what I need.
Some sites cn't be visited if their cookies are blocked.
That is why I want to allow them in the first place
(since they are harmless). But I want to be able to wipe
tracking-cookies and data-miners afterwards.

Capito ?
Thus :
MSAS does not deal with cookies
Then I am not even looking at MSAS
 
Cookies are easily deleted from Internet explorer:
Tools/Internet Options/General

Detection and deletion of cookies is largely a marketing tactic.
Cookies help raise the numbers and thus demonstrate to users what dangerous
items were on the computer to begin with.
Without the numbers of cookies, many users would think the program is not
working.
Cookies are easily managed and deleted from within Internet Explorer.

If a tool takes care of cookies, I let it.
If not, no problem since I control how IE handles cookies.
Go to Internet Options/Privacy tab.
From there you can control exactly what sites you allow cookies.
The evil cookies are stopped before they get on the computer.
The evil cookies as any malware need to be stopped before they get on the
computer.
If malware of any kind gets on the computer the user has already failed.

I would have no problem if cookies were not detected by any software since I
already control my computer, including cookies.

But I think MSAS need to tackle cookies if for no other reason that so many
have accepted the marketing and now believe how evil cookies are.
 
If the user wants to have it, then why not giving it to
him ?
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If the user wants witchcraft and black magic, would you let them have it, or
would you try to educate them to the real dangers they face, rather than the
hype?
 
If cookies are so managable from within IE, then please
tell me how I can wipe "Tracking Cookies" and "Data
Miners" each time that I close IE.
Because that is what I want to do.
Lavasoft's Ad-Aware let me do so when I scan my system
with it for spyware, that is why I love this software.
I will not replace Ad-Aware by MSAS as long as MSAS is
refusing to take care of these "Tracking Cookies"
and "Data Miners" the way it is done by Ad-Aware.
I will not add a second Anti-Spyware software like MSAS
on my system if it does not the full job.
Microsoft is always very much listening to user-needs
when it develops software. With MSAS they show to be as
stubborn as a mule.
 
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