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Garry Jones

I am about to buy a graphics card for my pc and I am trying to
understand the jungle of connections and plugs out there.

My motherboard is a 1.4 AMD with integrated 3D graphics.

It has No AGP port, 2 PCI/2 USB

I want to be able to play avi movies on my television and I would like
to be able to transfer my own video tapes onto the hardisk to burn cd
roms.

My TV and video are both new from 2003, but neither have a s-video
contact. I know there is an adapter that allows me to connect from
S-video on a graphic card to scart. This adapter has a switch for
output/input signal. Are there S-video tv out sockets that double as
video input sockets or will I have to switch leads to go the other way?

I can not find any sites on the net that allow me to filter my search
results to include "video in". The nearest I can come is pricerunner
that allows me to filter for PCI and TV-out.

Do all Tv-out cards have std graphic output as well, to me that function
is superfluos as I am running my computer graphics off of the
motherboard.

Will 32MB be enough or should I go for a 64MB?

I know you get what you pay for but I am keen to try a budget version of
any graphic card that can fulfill my needs. Can anyone point me in the
right direction?

Graphic Card? PCI. 32 or 64? Tv out and video in. Suggestions?

Is it just possible that I may find it cheaper to buy a TV out card AND
a video-in card?


Garry Jones
Sweden
 
If you have no AGP port, it would probably be a LOT easier to replace your
mainboard and get a normal AGP card. Trying to find a decent PCI video card
these days is difficult and expensive.

How about more details, such as manufacturers and models of your parts?
 
Garry Jones said:
I am about to buy a graphics card for my pc and I am trying to
understand the jungle of connections and plugs out there.

My motherboard is a 1.4 AMD with integrated 3D graphics.

It has No AGP port, 2 PCI/2 USB

I want to be able to play avi movies on my television and I would like
to be able to transfer my own video tapes onto the hardisk to burn cd
roms.

My TV and video are both new from 2003, but neither have a s-video
contact. I know there is an adapter that allows me to connect from
S-video on a graphic card to scart. This adapter has a switch for
output/input signal. Are there S-video tv out sockets that double as
video input sockets or will I have to switch leads to go the other way?

I can not find any sites on the net that allow me to filter my search
results to include "video in". The nearest I can come is pricerunner
that allows me to filter for PCI and TV-out.

Do all Tv-out cards have std graphic output as well, to me that function
is superfluos as I am running my computer graphics off of the
motherboard.

Will 32MB be enough or should I go for a 64MB?

I know you get what you pay for but I am keen to try a budget version of
any graphic card that can fulfill my needs. Can anyone point me in the
right direction?

Graphic Card? PCI. 32 or 64? Tv out and video in. Suggestions?

Is it just possible that I may find it cheaper to buy a TV out card AND
a video-in card?


Garry Jones
Sweden
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Best to change the board but,

http://makeashorterlink.com/?R5FB21AB6

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Lane
 
Garry Jones said:
I am about to buy a graphics card for my pc and I am trying to
understand the jungle of connections and plugs out there.

My motherboard is a 1.4 AMD with integrated 3D graphics.

It has No AGP port, 2 PCI/2 USB

I want to be able to play avi movies on my television and I would like
to be able to transfer my own video tapes onto the hardisk to burn cd
roms.

My TV and video are both new from 2003, but neither have a s-video
contact. I know there is an adapter that allows me to connect from
S-video on a graphic card to scart. This adapter has a switch for
output/input signal. Are there S-video tv out sockets that double as
video input sockets or will I have to switch leads to go the other way?

I can not find any sites on the net that allow me to filter my search
results to include "video in". The nearest I can come is pricerunner
that allows me to filter for PCI and TV-out.

Do all Tv-out cards have std graphic output as well, to me that function
is superfluos as I am running my computer graphics off of the
motherboard.

Will 32MB be enough or should I go for a 64MB?

I know you get what you pay for but I am keen to try a budget version of
any graphic card that can fulfill my needs. Can anyone point me in the
right direction?

Graphic Card? PCI. 32 or 64? Tv out and video in. Suggestions?

Is it just possible that I may find it cheaper to buy a TV out card AND
a video-in card?


Garry Jones
Sweden
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You might look into ATI's "all in wonder" card's the manufactures web
site is here www.ati.com

good luck
 
Phrederick said:
If you have no AGP port, it would probably be a LOT easier to replace your
mainboard and get a normal AGP card. Trying to find a decent PCI video card
these days is difficult and expensive.

How about more details, such as manufacturers and models of your parts?
Click to expand...

Okay..

I have not put this new pc together yet, it is still in its boxes. If I
change my mind I can get my money back, but I have to decide soon. I got
this because it looked like a good deal at the time. (On Tuesday).

Motherboard:
K7SOM+ v7.5C Duron 1,4ghz
mAtx with CPU
ECS Elitegroup K7SOM+
Integreated audio
Integrated 3D graphic
2 PCI slots
2 USB slots
0 AGP/ISA
CHIPSET SiS® 740/962L chipset with integrated advanced 128-bit 2D/3D
graphic engine
System Hardware Monitor: Integrated in ITE IT8705F
Audio : AC'97 Codec CMI9738A

(link to motherboard)
http://www.dataknuten.se/webshop/ArtImgs/20031118170547radA0919.jpg

Floppy:
Alps Floppy FLOPPY 3.5" 1.44MB

Chasis:
Q-TEC 6021CMD MIDITOWER ATX 300W SILVER

Memory:
256MB PC400 DDRAM MAJOR/3RD PC3200

Hard disk:
Excelstor 40GB UDMA100 7200RPM IDE

CD writer:
SAMSUNG. CD-RW 52X32X52X BULK NERO SW

Prices for above....(All brand new, off the shelf, from a local shop)

£ (GB Pounds) £
Motherboard = 72
Floppy = 9
Chasis = 27
Memory = 30
Hard disk = 40
CD writer = 32
Total £ = 211

$ (US Dollars) $
Motherboard = 123
Floppy = 15
Chasis = 47
Memory = 52
Hard disk = 69
CD writer = 55
Total $ = 361

This still seems like a good buy. I did not think so much about the
motherboard not having a AGP slot as I think the integrated graphics are
probably good enough for my needs. I will be using the screen, speakers,
mouse and keyboard from my old pc. Whatever this is it is an upgrade for
me as I have been on a Pentium 200 mmx with 64 Ram, 3.5 GB hard disk and
16 spin cd for 6 years.

What I have learnt now is that I will probably need a TV out with
S-video and some kind of video capture card. Given the price and
standard of the pc I have what would be my best low-price options for
these pci cards? Are there TV out cards that do not double as graphic
cards, don't need that function.

Do I really need AGP? Isn't this going to be good enough for sending my
video tapes to the hard disk and showing AVI files on my TV?

Garry Jones
Sweden
 
Okay..

I have not put this new pc together yet, it is still in its boxes. If I
change my mind I can get my money back, but I have to decide soon. I got
this because it looked like a good deal at the time. (On Tuesday).

Motherboard:
K7SOM+ v7.5C Duron 1,4ghz
mAtx with CPU
ECS Elitegroup K7SOM+
Integreated audio
Integrated 3D graphic
2 PCI slots
2 USB slots
0 AGP/ISA
CHIPSET SiS® 740/962L chipset with integrated advanced 128-bit 2D/3D
graphic engine
System Hardware Monitor: Integrated in ITE IT8705F
Audio : AC'97 Codec CMI9738A

(link to motherboard)
http://www.dataknuten.se/webshop/ArtImgs/20031118170547radA0919.jpg

Floppy:
Alps Floppy FLOPPY 3.5" 1.44MB

Chasis:
Q-TEC 6021CMD MIDITOWER ATX 300W SILVER

Memory:
256MB PC400 DDRAM MAJOR/3RD PC3200

Hard disk:
Excelstor 40GB UDMA100 7200RPM IDE

CD writer:
SAMSUNG. CD-RW 52X32X52X BULK NERO SW

Prices for above....(All brand new, off the shelf, from a local shop)

£ (GB Pounds) £
Motherboard = 72
Floppy = 9
Chasis = 27
Memory = 30
Hard disk = 40
CD writer = 32
Total £ = 211

$ (US Dollars) $
Motherboard = 123
Floppy = 15
Chasis = 47
Memory = 52
Hard disk = 69
CD writer = 55
Total $ = 361

This still seems like a good buy. I did not think so much about the
motherboard not having a AGP slot as I think the integrated graphics are
probably good enough for my needs. I will be using the screen, speakers,
mouse and keyboard from my old pc. Whatever this is it is an upgrade for
me as I have been on a Pentium 200 mmx with 64 Ram, 3.5 GB hard disk and
16 spin cd for 6 years.
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The motherboard is low-end junk, worth $50 USB, TOPS. I would take it
back now while you have the chance, it may not even last 3 years and
be buggy until then.

The case isn't a very good deal either because the power supply is
also poor. If you do end up using that power supply I recommend
replacing the fan now, rather than having it fail and destroying the
power supply, possibly other parts in the system.

Suggested alternatives:

nForce2 motherboard, like an Asus A7N8X-VM, has faster integrated
video and sound, and an optional TV-Out board IF I remember
correctly.. be sure you can find the TV-Out board though, it is
purchased separately

Athlon XP 1700
Sparkle 300W Power supply

If you'll be running Windows 2K or XP it would also help to have more
than 256MB of memory.
 
kony said:
The motherboard is low-end junk, worth $50 USB, TOPS. I would take it
back now while you have the chance, it may not even last 3 years and
be buggy until then.
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I guess the prices in Sweden are a little higher. However, I find it
hard to believe I have paid about 250% of the US price.

You get what you pay for, and for me with an ex wife and three kids to
provide for I am afraid this is about my limit at the moment. I would
like to get as much pc as possible for the money I have to part with. I
want the pc to work and I want some power. I foreee my finance getting
better within a couple of years and will probably go up market then.
Until then I want something better than I have at the moment so the life
of the components is not an important issue.

I did consider buying from the states. But if the Swedish customs opens
it I will end up paying a lot of import duty. The UK (I'm an expat) is a
better option as we are customs free within the EU, but I could not find
a single supplier with all that I wanted that could do it for less. This
way I also have the advantage of dealing with a local helpful shop, just
a few hundred yards from my appartment.

Having said all that I am listening, any advice or tips on Internet
shops in the EU appreciated.

I need the pc to program visual basic applications, I will stick with
windows 98 as I already have a license. I do a bit of web design,
largely with notepad, occasionaly with Netscape composer. And I want to
get into showing AVI films on my TV and transfering video tape to the
hard disk to burn. I surf, I play files with windows media player and I
listen to net radio. I will be running a webcam with msn messenger.
Apart from that I have no real interest a powerful pc for computer games
as I prefer the arcade games from the 80's and these use so little power
and have a simplicity I adore.

So as long as it is not total rubbish I will stick with what I have and
put it together in the next few days.

Feedback stll wanted on suitable pci tv out and video capture cards.

Garry Jones
Sweden
 
I guess the prices in Sweden are a little higher. However, I find it hard
to believe I have paid about 250% of the US price.
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I didn't see the Duron on your price list so it may have been included in
the motherboard price. So don't feel *that* ripped off


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I didn't see the Duron on your price list so it may have been included in
the motherboard price. So don't feel *that* ripped off
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He may've paid a fair price, but when looking at long-term viability,
potentially short lifespan and stability, limited expandability, it's
usually worthwhile to spend a few $ more.

Even when those issues are discounted, some items really aren't worth
the price savings. For example it might be worth the ~$15 for an
Athlon XP instead of a Duron, ESPECIALLY when running integrated video
which is dependant on the CPU FSB (as it relates to memory bus)
speed... using a Duron even further cripples integrated video by
reducing memory bus an extra 30%, not to mention that part of the
256MB total memory is gone due to being a dedicated video allocation.

It might also be worthwhile to get a power supply with less potential
to damage the system and with a dual-ball bearing fan so it won't fail
in a couple years. Perhaps he got a REALLY good deal and did end up
with a quality power supply, etc, but usually this is not the case.

In other words, he may end up with 1/2 as good a computer for 15% less
$, then need to spend an extra $100 a year later for a power supply or
video card or ???, so it could end up being both slower AND more
expensive, not to mention that he might end up wanting to replace it
sooner, resulting in higher annual TCO.


Dave
 
I didn't see the Duron on your price list so it may have been included in
the motherboard price. So don't feel *that* ripped off
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The motherboard comes with the processor. It is soldered on to the board
the best I can tell. It seems to be something special as they do not list
that exect processor on the AMD web page that I can find.
For processor and motherboard I payed about $ 85 US for one about a year
ago . With the way prices should have dropped by now I think $ 50 US would
be about right if you want an inexpensive combination that does not require
much computer processing power.

As I mentioned I put one in a computer that I sometimes use. It replaced an
AMD 500 mhz motherboard and does a good job for what I use it for , but then
I do have a P4 system that I mostly use .
 
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