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I normally use NOD32 on my desktop system but recently decided to try
out AOL AVS and afterwards AntiVir.

I had tried out AVS before but remember it causing slight delays when
attempting to open up applications. That wasn't acceptable to me so I
uninstalled it and put NOD32 back on. The other thing that annoyed me
was AVS wouldn't allow me to leave any other AV program on the system
even though I had stopped all services from starting upon bootup.

Anyway, AVS turned my computer into a virtual statue. It would take at
least a minute for anything to start up. The disk activity was
constantly on. Something was going on in the background that was just
killing my computer. I finally was able to open its control panel but
saw no unusual settings such as scan computer upon bootup or such.

Enough of that so I uninstalled AVS and installed AntiVir 7. The same
behavior occurred upon bootup. It was also excruciatingly slow. It
didn't take long for me to drop it like a hot potato also.

I went back to NOD32 and everything is fine now. I really would like
to have a backup AV that I could use to double check files or disks
with. What is going on? Are they doing a background scan of my
computer without telling me so? If so they are both creating a bad
first impression and anyone who installs those programs will be
unpleasantly surprised. My system is a 2 GHz Intel with 1 GB of RAM.
 
I normally use NOD32 on my desktop system but recently decided to try
out AOL AVS and afterwards AntiVir.

I had tried out AVS before but remember it causing slight delays when
attempting to open up applications. That wasn't acceptable to me so I
uninstalled it and put NOD32 back on. The other thing that annoyed me
was AVS wouldn't allow me to leave any other AV program on the system
even though I had stopped all services from starting upon bootup.

Anyway, AVS turned my computer into a virtual statue. It would take at
least a minute for anything to start up. The disk activity was
constantly on. Something was going on in the background that was just
killing my computer. I finally was able to open its control panel but
saw no unusual settings such as scan computer upon bootup or such.

Enough of that so I uninstalled AVS and installed AntiVir 7. The same
behavior occurred upon bootup. It was also excruciatingly slow. It
didn't take long for me to drop it like a hot potato also.

I went back to NOD32 and everything is fine now. I really would like
to have a backup AV that I could use to double check files or disks
with. What is going on? Are they doing a background scan of my
computer without telling me so? If so they are both creating a bad
first impression and anyone who installs those programs will be
unpleasantly surprised. My system is a 2 GHz Intel with 1 GB of RAM.
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What you've experienced shouldn't be happening. Coincidentally, I just
installed Avira free with AOL AVS already installed. To check for
sluggishness caused by the Guard, I set it to scan all files. If
anything at all, there might be just a slight delay when opening apps.
It's the same thing if I shut down Avira and activate the AVS modules
so that realtime scanning is enabled. Maybe just a slight delay but
nothing bothersome at all.

The machine I'm using is a low end one with a AMD Duron cpu at
1600 mhz, and with 256 meg RAM. OS is Win 2K Pro.

I don't know what to suggest, other than a good housecleaning
involving thorough scans by several anti malware products, a
defrag, running Crap Cleaner, using a running process viewer,
maybe a registry checker or two if you're carfeul with what you let
them delete, etc.

It's really odd that _both_ AVS and Avira don't work correctly
on your machine. If it was just one of them, it would be easier
to shrug it off as "just one of those things". But with both of
them causing you grief, it does seem that something isn't
right in your system, doesn't it?

Art
http://home.epix.net/~artnpeg
 
Art said:
It's really odd that both AVS and Avira don't work correctly
on your machine. If it was just one of them, it would be easier
to shrug it off as "just one of those things". But with both of
them causing you grief, it does seem that something isn't
right in your system, doesn't it?
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Yes, I agree it is very odd. That is why I am questioning whether
those programs are doing an indexing of the disk contents at the very
first boot. I assure you my computer is running in tiptop shape, at
least as much as possible with Oracle installed (300 MB RAM usurped)
and I experience no problems whatsoever with NOD32. I used to use
Symantec Corporate Edition 10 prior to NOD32 and had no lagging either.

I would really like to switch over to AVS but want a second program
also. Your reply indicates you had AVS installed first and AntiVir
afterwards. I assume AVS didn't give you any warning messages. Do you
have any suggestions on how to install AVS as a resident scanner and
keep NOD32 without uninstalling it? Also any suggestions on settings
for AVS after installed? I usually don't install the e-mail scanner.
 
Seems to be the way with virus/spyware software these days.
I have a paid version of Pc-cillin Internet Security and it has a spyware
process running in the background that can take up to 100% of CPU time. The
2006 version did not do this.
So when I open say MS Word go open a website the scanner takes over and I
have to wait for it to finish.
You can turn the process off and all runs normally.
Seems to me that new software like to scan in the background and hog CPU
time.
Good luck finding one that doesn't.
PeterH
 
badgolferman said:
Art, 12/1/2006,6:02:53 PM, wrote:




Yes, I agree it is very odd. That is why I am questioning whether
those programs are doing an indexing of the disk contents at the very
first boot. I assure you my computer is running in tiptop shape, at
least as much as possible with Oracle installed (300 MB RAM usurped)
and I experience no problems whatsoever with NOD32. I used to use
Symantec Corporate Edition 10 prior to NOD32 and had no lagging either.

I would really like to switch over to AVS but want a second program
also. Your reply indicates you had AVS installed first and AntiVir
afterwards. I assume AVS didn't give you any warning messages. Do you
have any suggestions on how to install AVS as a resident scanner and
keep NOD32 without uninstalling it? Also any suggestions on settings
for AVS after installed? I usually don't install the e-mail scanner.
Click to expand...

What's deal with people running two or three AV applications on a
machine? It don't make any sense. I run NOD32 only on my development
machines running IIS, MS SQL Server and .NET etc etc. Even on this XP
pro laptop running running 700 MHz and 300 MB RAM with all the
applications mentioned, it's running lickity split with no problems of
slowness.

Duane :)
 
Yes, I agree it is very odd. That is why I am questioning whether
those programs are doing an indexing of the disk contents at the very
first boot. I assure you my computer is running in tiptop shape, at
least as much as possible with Oracle installed (300 MB RAM usurped)
and I experience no problems whatsoever with NOD32. I used to use
Symantec Corporate Edition 10 prior to NOD32 and had no lagging either.
Click to expand...

I think you're on the wrong track there for a couple of reasons.
First, AVS will nag you until you do a full drive(s) scan. Second, the
new technology (KAV 6) is designed to pause if the machine is
busy doing other work. It tries to stay out of the way and not
cause the kind of problems you're seeing.

In the case of Avira free, I didn't notice any scanning going on
at all the first time I booted up (or any time after) with the
default install. There were no lags.
I would really like to switch over to AVS but want a second program
also. Your reply indicates you had AVS installed first and AntiVir
afterwards.
Yes.

I assume AVS didn't give you any warning messages.
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It couldn't since I keep both its modules disabled until I'm
ready to use them, or at least the File Scan module which,
when enabled, provides the realtime or background
scanning function.
Do you
have any suggestions on how to install AVS as a resident scanner and
keep NOD32 without uninstalling it?
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I suspect AVS won't install if you have NOD32 installed. It won't even
install if it finds any traces of a previous KAV version installation.
I think this is done for good technical reasons, based on its new
technology. It's never been a good idea to try to have two
av running realtime, and with the newer KAV 6 technology, this issue
is even more important I think.

But the detection of other av is done during the early part of the
install process, so once you install AVS you may be able to sneak
in another av install, providing that other av doesn't bother to
detect other av installations.
Also any suggestions on settings
for AVS after installed? I usually don't install the e-mail scanner.
Click to expand...

I don't enable the email module either, and I just enable the file
scan module when I want to use realtime scanning. You can
leave both modules normally disabled, and just use AVS as a
on-demand scanner ... which is my usual way.

BTW, I installed Avira for eval and testing purposes, not for
my actual use necessarily.

Insofar as file scan settings options, I have no particular general
suggestions. Perhaps if you have a question on a particular
option I can help since I'm a long time KAV user.

Sorry, I have no idea what the cause of your delay problems
might be. Maybe if you haunt the Kaspersky forums, you might
find some clue. Or maybe AOL/AVS has a forum and user help
thing ... I don't know.

Art
http://home.epix.net/~artnpeg
 
badgolferman said:
I normally use NOD32 on my desktop system but recently decided to try
out AOL AVS and afterwards AntiVir.

I had tried out AVS before but remember it causing slight delays when
attempting to open up applications. That wasn't acceptable to me so I
uninstalled it and put NOD32 back on. The other thing that annoyed me
was AVS wouldn't allow me to leave any other AV program on the system
even though I had stopped all services from starting upon bootup.

Anyway, AVS turned my computer into a virtual statue. It would take at
least a minute for anything to start up. The disk activity was
constantly on. Something was going on in the background that was just
killing my computer. I finally was able to open its control panel but
saw no unusual settings such as scan computer upon bootup or such.

Enough of that so I uninstalled AVS and installed AntiVir 7. The same
behavior occurred upon bootup. It was also excruciatingly slow. It
didn't take long for me to drop it like a hot potato also.

I went back to NOD32 and everything is fine now. I really would like
to have a backup AV that I could use to double check files or disks
with. What is going on? Are they doing a background scan of my
computer without telling me so? If so they are both creating a bad
first impression and anyone who installs those programs will be
unpleasantly surprised. My system is a 2 GHz Intel with 1 GB of RAM.
Click to expand...

WRT to AVS/KAV 6, just a couple of thoughts.

1) Some have reported conflicts with the Windows Indexing Service.

2) Spybot S&D's Immunization and Tea Timer (real-time AS protection)
both cause problems with KAV 6.

3) IIRC, there are problems with KAV 6 and the Sygate PFW. Since
Sygate is a dead product, this will probably never be resolved.

4) Some early versions of SpySweeper 5 caused conflicts with KAV 6. I
believe that this has been resolved (by SS).

5) There are conflicts between Windows Defender and KAV 6. Most who
use KAV 6 are uninstalling WD, as (IIRC) using WD on-demand does not
solve the problem.

6) Check out the KAV Users Forum for more info, particularly this
sticky concerning using KAV 6 with the PFWs of other vendors.

http://forum.kaspersky.com/index.php?showtopic=16036

7) FWIW, Zone Alarm has partnered with KL.

ZoneAlarm Suite Integrates Kaspersky Antivirus

http://digg.com/tech_deals/ZoneAlarm_Suite_Integrates_Kaspersky_Antivirus

BTW, I am currently using AVS with the Windows FW with no problems.

Ron :)
 
Ron said:
WRT to AVS/KAV 6, just a couple of thoughts.

1) Some have reported conflicts with the Windows Indexing Service.
Click to expand...

Windows indexing service is disabled on my computer.
2) Spybot S&D's Immunization and Tea Timer (real-time AS protection)
both cause problems with KAV 6.
Click to expand...

I do have Spybot installed, but no real-time protection.
3) IIRC, there are problems with KAV 6 and the Sygate PFW. Since
Sygate is a dead product, this will probably never be resolved.
Click to expand...

Hmm, that is my current firewall.
 
badgolferman said:
Yes, I agree it is very odd. That is why I am questioning whether
those programs are doing an indexing of the disk contents at the very
first boot. I assure you my computer is running in tiptop shape, at
least as much as possible with Oracle installed (300 MB RAM usurped)
and I experience no problems whatsoever with NOD32. I used to use
Symantec Corporate Edition 10 prior to NOD32 and had no lagging either.

I would really like to switch over to AVS but want a second program
also. Your reply indicates you had AVS installed first and AntiVir
afterwards. I assume AVS didn't give you any warning messages. Do you
have any suggestions on how to install AVS as a resident scanner and
keep NOD32 without uninstalling it? Also any suggestions on settings
for AVS after installed? I usually don't install the e-mail scanner.
Click to expand...

NOD32 has a very good uninstall program that cleans up better than most
programs.

It might leave a folder in Program Files but that's easy to delete.

Chas.
 
badgolferman said:
Hmm, that is my current firewall.
Click to expand...

As Art pointed out, some have had problems and others have not. One
thing that has proved useful has to do with the sequence of
installation. When I installed AVS, the installer would not proceed
with my S-K PFW 4.3 installed. And so I uninstalled the PFW first
(which enabled the WinXP SP2 FW), and then installed AVS. Today I
re-installed the PFW. So far, so good. Others have reported success
with other PFWs and IDS/IPS apps by installing KAV/KIS first.

In fact, I think that this might be a useful regimen for me in the future.

1) Download all installers
2) Disconnect from the network/internet
3) Uninstall everything
4) Enable the WinXP FW, if necessary
5) Install the AV
6) Enable the network connection, make sure the AV is working properly
7) Install the third-party PFW, if desired
8) Install any IDS/IPS apps/utilities

As security apps get their hooks deeper and deeper into the OS kernel,
the order in which _stuff_ is installed probably becomes more important.

Ron :)
 
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