B
Beck
Garry said:
What makes you think it did not clean it?
What makes you think it did not clean it?
P
Patrick
I just got RC1 up and running and the "cipher" command is still their it
will erase all the empty sectors on your disk first by writing zero's then
other patterns several times by running the command "cipher /w:c:" or what
ever drive it happens to be cipher has a lot of options do a /? to see them
all
will erase all the empty sectors on your disk first by writing zero's then
other patterns several times by running the command "cipher /w:c:" or what
ever drive it happens to be cipher has a lot of options do a /? to see them
all
G
Garry
When I installed Vista Beta 2 August two weeks ago, I used the format option
and was rather suprised that it worked so quickly. On XP, one can select
QuickFormat which I imagine that this was done during the Vista installation
or Normal Format which takes about half an hour for a 120 GB disk.
I am a great one for privacy and would have liked to have my disk completely
cleaned of the previous operating system and its attendant files. I suspect
that the installation of Vista did not do this.
How can I clean the vacant parts of my disk. Completely. Binary Zeroes. And
within Vista.
and was rather suprised that it worked so quickly. On XP, one can select
QuickFormat which I imagine that this was done during the Vista installation
or Normal Format which takes about half an hour for a 120 GB disk.
I am a great one for privacy and would have liked to have my disk completely
cleaned of the previous operating system and its attendant files. I suspect
that the installation of Vista did not do this.
How can I clean the vacant parts of my disk. Completely. Binary Zeroes. And
within Vista.
S
Saucy
OK. "Cleanliness" of a drive is a multi-facet thing:
1. Don't put the porn on there to begin with. This should be obvious. That
said ..
2. To remove regular "straight porn" use a "zero-fill" utility on the drive.
Get one from Maxtor (MaxBlast4). Create the floppy as per instructions and
do a full "zero-fill" on the drive. Sets the drive back to "like-new"
pristine shape .. un-partitioned .. un-formatted .. with all the bits and
bytes set to zero.
[full URL for Maxtor MaxBlast4 - use to create floppy]
http://www.maxtor.com/portal/site/M...oftware+Downloads/Top+Downloads&downloadID=57
[Tiny Url of above]
http://tinyurl.com/ryxov
3. If you are worried about a high-tech police forensic investigation
because the porn you have to clean off is really really weird [e.g. porn
involving hamsters in latex] you will need something stronger. There are a
variety of opitons. PGP can thoughly wipe a harddrive from within Windows if
it is not the system or boot drive (or partition). It blasts it with several
passes of algorithmic numbers and such . But you might want to everything
wipe from outside Windows so scroll down the following webpage for to find a
bunch of different scrub products out there:
http://www.techsoup.org/learningcenter/software/page5726.cfm
And don't forget something like Jetico BCWipe v.3:
[Jetico]
http://www.jetico.com
You can also do Google search for disk-wiping scrub hardddrive cleaning
products.
1. Don't put the porn on there to begin with. This should be obvious. That
said ..
2. To remove regular "straight porn" use a "zero-fill" utility on the drive.
Get one from Maxtor (MaxBlast4). Create the floppy as per instructions and
do a full "zero-fill" on the drive. Sets the drive back to "like-new"
pristine shape .. un-partitioned .. un-formatted .. with all the bits and
bytes set to zero.
[full URL for Maxtor MaxBlast4 - use to create floppy]
http://www.maxtor.com/portal/site/M...oftware+Downloads/Top+Downloads&downloadID=57
[Tiny Url of above]
http://tinyurl.com/ryxov
3. If you are worried about a high-tech police forensic investigation
because the porn you have to clean off is really really weird [e.g. porn
involving hamsters in latex] you will need something stronger. There are a
variety of opitons. PGP can thoughly wipe a harddrive from within Windows if
it is not the system or boot drive (or partition). It blasts it with several
passes of algorithmic numbers and such . But you might want to everything
wipe from outside Windows so scroll down the following webpage for to find a
bunch of different scrub products out there:
http://www.techsoup.org/learningcenter/software/page5726.cfm
And don't forget something like Jetico BCWipe v.3:
[Jetico]
http://www.jetico.com
You can also do Google search for disk-wiping scrub hardddrive cleaning
products.
D
Darrell Gorter[MSFT]
Hello Garry,
You can run format c: /p
asses where passes is the number of times to
write 0 to each sector on the hard drive.
You can run diskpart and clean the drive which wipes everything.
Maybe a little much but if you have Ultimate, you can use Bitlocker to
encrypt the drive, then format the drive after encryption.
Thanks,
Darrell Gorter[MSFT]
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You can run format c: /p
asses where passes is the number of times towrite 0 to each sector on the hard drive.
You can run diskpart and clean the drive which wipes everything.
Maybe a little much but if you have Ultimate, you can use Bitlocker to
encrypt the drive, then format the drive after encryption.
Thanks,
Darrell Gorter[MSFT]
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights
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Saucy
If you want to do this from within Vista your options are more limited.
There's a distinction between any ol' partition and your system/boot
partition too. You can get utilties that will totally wipe [beyond forensic
investigation ] other drives but not your system/boot drive e.g. PGP 9.x
will do this. But it will only partitally wipe the system/boot drive. I
wouldn't use PGP on the system / boot drive as I pretty sure from experience
PGP messes it up. But it does do great on 'other' partitions and second
harddrives.
However, if you want to "zero-fill" from scratch *before* installing an
operating system, a good choice is MaxBlast4 from Maxtor as it will set each
bit on the drive to zero .. making the drive like factory new. Can use on
Maxtors, Fujitsu, Samsung, WD etc. because it zero-fills the drive but
doesn't touch the factory installed "geometry".
To put the drive completely out of reach of forensics, though, MaxBlast4 is
not enough and you need some other utility that writes random nonsense to
the drive over and over so as to make recovering a file virtually
impossible. You can check the list I gave you in the other reply.
From your post and tone of it, a zero-fill before install would have been
appropriate if you had asked earlier. But as it is though - Vista already
installed - why worry? Just use Partick's suggestion and you should be OK.
Part of the problem with Windows is that once it gets going it can leave
traces of things all over the place. For instance, IE used to even store a
list of sites visited in the OE files! T'was a quagmire to erase one's steps
if one used Windows. I think it is not quite as bad now .. but .. if you are
really concerned .. zero-fill and clean install and take care ever after ..
Saucy
There's a distinction between any ol' partition and your system/boot
partition too. You can get utilties that will totally wipe [beyond forensic
investigation ] other drives but not your system/boot drive e.g. PGP 9.x
will do this. But it will only partitally wipe the system/boot drive. I
wouldn't use PGP on the system / boot drive as I pretty sure from experience
PGP messes it up. But it does do great on 'other' partitions and second
harddrives.
However, if you want to "zero-fill" from scratch *before* installing an
operating system, a good choice is MaxBlast4 from Maxtor as it will set each
bit on the drive to zero .. making the drive like factory new. Can use on
Maxtors, Fujitsu, Samsung, WD etc. because it zero-fills the drive but
doesn't touch the factory installed "geometry".
To put the drive completely out of reach of forensics, though, MaxBlast4 is
not enough and you need some other utility that writes random nonsense to
the drive over and over so as to make recovering a file virtually
impossible. You can check the list I gave you in the other reply.
From your post and tone of it, a zero-fill before install would have been
appropriate if you had asked earlier. But as it is though - Vista already
installed - why worry? Just use Partick's suggestion and you should be OK.
Part of the problem with Windows is that once it gets going it can leave
traces of things all over the place. For instance, IE used to even store a
list of sites visited in the OE files! T'was a quagmire to erase one's steps
if one used Windows. I think it is not quite as bad now .. but .. if you are
really concerned .. zero-fill and clean install and take care ever after ..
Saucy