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Having updated to AVG7 w/ some suggestions from this ng to overcome email
config issues, I find that it works fine for me. Working with the new
control center and setting up the email took a bit of digging in the FAQs
but once I understood the changes, in some ways I find them better.

I have WINXP, a large HD, and a lot of RAM so I don't have some of the
issues I read about here re: taking too much CPU. The problems many people
on this forum have seem to be related either to not yet having a grasp on
setting AVG7 up; related to process priority and CPU usage in task
manager.--often from people having setups other than XP, using Windows 98 or
other. Or they might use programs of alternative flavors. A lot say that
AVAST works better for them. It seems people with laptops often say that.

From these observations it seems that maybe AVG7 is not good for every
computer based on these variables, as maybe AVG6 was. I wonder if this is
some kind of refitting on the part of Grisoft in the same sense as with MS
pulling support for (what they consider to be) outdated OSs.

I was lucky(?) enough to come back in to computing recently with Windows at
a school, then XP in my own first computer and it has been relatively smooth
sailing. From reading Langa, etc. though, I am aware that many people still
like DOS, or have liitle use for upgrading hardware, etc. They ought to be
used to changes not working well retroactively by now but I appreciate that
they don't have to like it. I know a guy who recently chose to buy a used
computer that used DOS for some reason, over buying a new one..

A guy like me who used to have to input stacks of data cards in a reader at
NJ State College and wait up to several days for the printouts that came
from the computer at Rutgers with my Psych experiment results; then years
later took enough Data Processing courses to appreciate DOS as being the
hard way, for me; I like to celebrate the changes that upgrade the GUI the
most.

So before you say AVG7 sucks, or AVAST rules, or whatever, consider that
things change and will keep on upgrading and it is your choice about whether
to like it or leave it, but realize that as things change they need to be
looked at differently and won't always be consistent with retroactive ideas
and hardware. Most everything nowadays is instant and disposable anyway. The
energy it takes to object to something post after post could be used to see
where what you have fits and be happy there will always be something that
works if something else doesn't. You know what sucks?--if you happened to
drop that stack of cards on the way to the reader after punching in all the
data with one-finger typing, that's what.
Peace and amen to all that.
 
WolfGang said:
Having updated to AVG7 w/ some suggestions from this ng to overcome email
config issues, I find that it works fine for me. Working with the new
control center and setting up the email took a bit of digging in the FAQs
but once I understood the changes, in some ways I find them better.

I have WINXP, a large HD, and a lot of RAM so I don't have some of the
issues I read about here re: taking too much CPU. The problems many people
on this forum have seem to be related either to not yet having a grasp on
setting AVG7 up; related to process priority and CPU usage in task
manager.--often from people having setups other than XP, using Windows 98
or
other. Or they might use programs of alternative flavors. A lot say that
AVAST works better for them. It seems people with laptops often say that.
Click to expand...

Failing to detect 2 virus's plus failing to act on a third virus was also an
issue for me!!!!

Avast worked fine with those same 3 problems.

I think you may find that the initial release of v7 did have some bugs that
they seem to have fixed with a later release/patch, so perhaps some of the
problems others reported are no longer there (I can't comment on that now as
I have uninstalled AVG from all PC's). Certainly your comments on slower
machines is accurate - my daughter has Pentium 200MHz with Win98SE and she
is certain that Avast is better resource wise than AVG7 was.. As for the
Athlon with XP - as far as speed especially while other apps are running, I
found it faster than AVG6....
From these observations it seems that maybe AVG7 is not good for every
computer based on these variables, as maybe AVG6 was. I wonder if this is
some kind of refitting on the part of Grisoft in the same sense as with MS
pulling support for (what they consider to be) outdated OSs.
Click to expand...

It certainly seems that Grisoft have lost many AVG6 users due to their
changes, some of which have bewildered me considering the changes seem to
have made things more confusing to many! Maybe this was indeed their plan,
after all the Free edition doesn't make them much money!!!
I was lucky(?) enough to come back in to computing recently with Windows
at
a school, then XP in my own first computer and it has been relatively
smooth
sailing. From reading Langa, etc. though, I am aware that many people
still
like DOS, or have liitle use for upgrading hardware, etc. They ought to be
used to changes not working well retroactively by now but I appreciate
that
they don't have to like it. I know a guy who recently chose to buy a used
computer that used DOS for some reason, over buying a new one..

A guy like me who used to have to input stacks of data cards in a reader
at
NJ State College and wait up to several days for the printouts that came
from the computer at Rutgers with my Psych experiment results; then years
later took enough Data Processing courses to appreciate DOS as being the
hard way, for me; I like to celebrate the changes that upgrade the GUI the
most.

So before you say AVG7 sucks, or AVAST rules, or whatever, consider that
things change and will keep on upgrading and it is your choice about
whether
to like it or leave it, but realize that as things change they need to be
looked at differently and won't always be consistent with retroactive
ideas
and hardware. Most everything nowadays is instant and disposable anyway.
The
energy it takes to object to something post after post could be used to
see
where what you have fits and be happy there will always be something that
works if something else doesn't. You know what sucks?--if you happened to
drop that stack of cards on the way to the reader after punching in all
the
data with one-finger typing, that's what.
Peace and amen to all that.
Click to expand...

I was very happy with AVG for many years, and only changed following careful
examination of all facts and trial of the alternatives. I tried very hard
to stick with AVG as it was 'familiar' and Avast unknown, but in the end I
had to conclude that at present Avast is indeed superior to AVG7. Perhaps
this will change - who knows? If so, then I will gladly change back or
over, or whatever... But until then I think that given the enormous
problems many users are having with AVG -v- the continuous praise Avast gets
forces you to conclude that Avast is better!

Whether the problems with AVG are real bugs, or problems configuring
properly, to me is irrelevant in the big picture. An AV software needs to
work, and be easy for the most inexperienced user to install and configure.
It isn't much use any software being 'the best' if only a few users can
configure it - in my opinion it is then no longer 'the best'. AVG seems to
have gone down this road where it can be configured once you understand how
it works, it is no longer as easily configured as v6 was, so instantly it
causes problems for many users.

IMHO...
 
WolfGang said:
Having updated to AVG7 w/ some suggestions from this ng to overcome email
config issues, I find that it works fine for me. Working with the new
control center and setting up the email took a bit of digging in the FAQs
but once I understood the changes, in some ways I find them better.
Click to expand...

You didn't "dig" for facts in the same place I did. Did you read the EULA
before using AVG7? I did!! that's the reason I went with Avast. It had
nothing to do with which program was better than the other, but solely on
who was going to take my personal information and exploit it!!

Tom J
 
thanks for those comments wolfgang, and i do sympathise with your dropped
cards!

this week i have had problems with downloading AVG7 updates and to me that
is a serious problem. i have always liked the simplicity of AVG and
recommend it to most people because its so easy to use, update and jusy get
on with the job.

the new AVG7, yes i agree... had to look about to find where to set up
regular scans, not have ingoing/ outgoing messages on email (which i notice
show up as an attachment?).

but as soon as there are problems with updates, then thats a whole issue by
itself.

so i downloaded avast, after everyone saying how good it was. well i do
remember trying it agaes ago and thinking it looked complicated. but i did
have a go. i dont like the interface, i'm not sure if the default settings
are what i want, but i dont know if i should change them. i'm not sure its
set to regularly scan everyday (like AVG does... i have teenagers who
download crap.. and receive files from friends with no more sense than
them!).

so this morning AVG updated fine so i am thinking of sticking with it for
awhile longer, in hopes that this was a temporary glitch. as it happens, i
have both installed but i just disabled avast... so far they seem to like
each other ok, although most people say dont run 2 AV's together?

regards

rosie
 
ro§ie said:
... i dont like the interface,
Click to expand...

Pick another one. <g>

Right-click, choose "Select Skin". On the ensuing dialog, click the
link for "Get more skins..." I like Lite-On, or maybe Flat-n-Simple.
You could go crazy said:
i'm not sure if the default settings are what i want, but i dont
know if i should change them. i'm not sure its set to regularly
scan everyday (like AVG does... i have teenagers who download
crap.. and receive files from friends with no more sense than
them!).
Click to expand...

The free version doesn't have a "scan at a preset time" setting.
Probably isn't necessary, even with teenagers (train them!). It does,
however, look for new updates every four hours, and they are always
very small files.
 
Martin said:
Failing to detect 2 virus's plus failing to act on a third virus was also
an issue for me!!!!

Avast worked fine with those same 3 problems.

I think you may find that the initial release of v7 did have some bugs
that they seem to have fixed with a later release/patch, so perhaps some
of the problems others reported are no longer there (I can't comment on
that now as I have uninstalled AVG from all PC's). Certainly your
comments on slower machines is accurate - my daughter has Pentium 200MHz
with Win98SE and she is certain that Avast is better resource wise than
AVG7 was.. As for the Athlon with XP - as far as speed especially while
other apps are running, I found it faster than AVG6....


It certainly seems that Grisoft have lost many AVG6 users due to their
changes, some of which have bewildered me considering the changes seem to
have made things more confusing to many! Maybe this was indeed their
plan, after all the Free edition doesn't make them much money!!!

I was very happy with AVG for many years, and only changed following
careful examination of all facts and trial of the alternatives. I tried
very hard to stick with AVG as it was 'familiar' and Avast unknown, but in
the end I had to conclude that at present Avast is indeed superior to
AVG7. Perhaps this will change - who knows? If so, then I will gladly
change back or over, or whatever... But until then I think that given the
enormous problems many users are having with AVG -v- the continuous praise
Avast gets forces you to conclude that Avast is better!

Whether the problems with AVG are real bugs, or problems configuring
properly, to me is irrelevant in the big picture. An AV software needs to
work, and be easy for the most inexperienced user to install and
configure. It isn't much use any software being 'the best' if only a few
users can configure it - in my opinion it is then no longer 'the best'.
AVG seems to have gone down this road where it can be configured once you
understand how it works, it is no longer as easily configured as v6 was,
so instantly it causes problems for many users.

IMHO...
Click to expand...

I wonder what changes in AVG7 are so confusing to everyone. I used AVG6 for
a long time but hated the controls interface. I welcomed the new interface
offered in AVG7 and consider it intuitive and flexible. Just what is it that
people don't like about AVG7??
 
Having reread the EULA I haven't found anything beyond that they would use
registration info according to rules under certain Acts. Granted I don't
have a clue what these Acts say (or whether they are of US, Czech, or
International origin) but even if I did it would be an act of faith, as it
always is, that they actually comply with ANY rules. The EULA wording
appears generic to my untrained eye, so I think it behooves anyone with
expertise to state point by point what the risks being described are.

Besides, what kind of info did you provide that concerns you? All I gave was
a one word user name I made up. I did not formally register and that has not
affected anything. I am under the impression that registering is only useful
if you wish to post on their forum--but I can read the forum.
Please share your concerns re: the EULA. It may need further discussion,
which is the reason for my original post.
Wolf
 
Pick another one. <g>

Right-click, choose "Select Skin". On the ensuing dialog, click the
link for "Get more skins..." I like Lite-On, or maybe Flat-n-Simple.
You could go crazy, too. <g> I just tried the Star Trek skin. Wild!
Click to expand...

Beau, I don't find that when I right click on the tray icon on the free
edition. Am I looking in the wrong place?

Tom J
 
I wonder what changes in AVG7 are so confusing to everyone. I used AVG6 for
a long time but hated the controls interface. I welcomed the new interface
offered in AVG7 and consider it intuitive and flexible. Just what is it that
people don't like about AVG7??
Click to expand...

I had some hang-ups with the email component and Pegasus when sending
mail. Even deselecting scan outgoing didn't correct it. I finally
removed the email component. Other than that it seems fine though from
posts I've read it misses an occasional virus. I'm the only user on
this PC and I'm very careful about what I run or download. My main
issue now....and this may be unrelated to the program and
temporary....is the constant problems with getting updates. It's been
hit or miss.

G.
 
WolfGang said:
Having reread the EULA I haven't found anything beyond that they would use
registration info according to rules under certain Acts. Granted I don't
have a clue what these Acts say (or whether they are of US, Czech, or
International origin) but even if I did it would be an act of faith, as it
always is, that they actually comply with ANY rules. The EULA wording
appears generic to my untrained eye, so I think it behooves anyone with
expertise to state point by point what the risks being described are.

Besides, what kind of info did you provide that concerns you? All I gave
was
a one word user name I made up. I did not formally register and that has
not
affected anything. I am under the impression that registering is only
useful
if you wish to post on their forum--but I can read the forum.
Please share your concerns re: the EULA. It may need further discussion,
which is the reason for my original post.
Click to expand...

My friend, if you are getting updates, THEY DO HAVE your information - who
you are and where you are. YOU didn't have to type it out and send it line
by line. I have 3 websites and all can tell me about anyone that ask for any
information before I even contact them. Now, the part of the EULA that
turned me away was the part that said I was giving them the right to
use/distribute my information to anyone they chose for 10 years, whether I
kept using their software or not. That's not something I want to do!!

Tom J
 
Open the program itself (for anyone else reading), and right-click
anywhere on the interface, except a button, and a menu comes up.
Here's where you choose "Select Skin", and from the new dialog that
opens, the link to their web page. NOT on the systray icon. Sorry I
didn't specify that.
Never mind, I got there from the current skin!!
Click to expand...

So, which one(s) did you pick?
 
Tom said:
... Now, the part of the EULA that turned me away was the part that
said I was giving them the right to use/distribute my information
to anyone they chose for 10 years, whether I kept using their
software or not. That's not something I want to do!!
Click to expand...

Could you copy and paste that particular section of the EULA here,
with Section or Article Number, please? Can you read the EULA *after*
installation? (I don't have the program.)
 
Beauregard T. Shagnasty said:
Could you copy and paste that particular section of the EULA here, with
Section or Article Number, please? Can you read the EULA *after*
installation? (I don't have the program.)
Click to expand...

When I got to that part about them using your info for 10 years, I left the
site and have no intentions of going there again for any type information.
As I said in the other post, they can track you without you actually sending
them your info other than just logging in, especially since I was an AVG6
user almost from the start.

Tom J
 
WolfGang said:
Having updated to AVG7 w/ some suggestions from this ng to overcome
email config issues, I find that it works fine for me. Working with
the new control center and setting up the email took a bit of
digging in the FAQs but once I understood the changes, in some ways I
find them better.
Click to expand...

AV7 is so slow to scan, and it doesnt give you any indication of its
progress as AV6 did. The slow scan situation is a major problem, on an old
pc it can take over an hour, whereas on av6 it would be fifteen minutes.

Gaz
 
I don't think we're reading the same EULA. Here's from mine:

"8. Personal Data Handling. In case that data provided during the course of
your registration by the GRISOFT Company should be of a personal data nature
in sense of Act No. 101/2000 Coll., on Personal Data Protection, as amended,
the GRISOFT Company hereby declares that such personal data shall be handled
in accordance with the applicable provisions of the aforesaid Act, i.e.
within a choice made by you during the course of the registration."

They cite "Economic Chamber of the Czech Republic and Agrarian Chamber of
the Czech Republic".

Pal, I totally respect what you have learned through experience. I'd like to
know where you got the EULA you refer to, and what you use to get at the
kind of pre-contact info you mentioned. I agree that your issues about
privacy are meaningful and deserve checking out.

What about that they all have to have access in order to update? When I had
McAfee there were McAfee files imbedded everywhere and it seemed like a lot
of uncontrolled "automatic" stuff went on. I had to provide McAfee with more
personal info, including credit card. When they quietly upped the price $5
and automatically charged it to my card I went to AVG6 and was impressed by
the lightness of it compared to McAfee. If there are issues beyond this type
with AVG7 I want to read about them.

I want to know even though the program is running smooth for me with
regular updates, and it immediately caught a Trojan today that I got from
following links on this forum. The links were dead-end WebPages with some
data.
Wolf
 
I have AVG& installed but in order to read the EULA, which is part of
installation, I open AVG.exe as though I will install, then read/copy it,
then cancel installation. Mine looks like this too:

"8. Personal Data Handling. In case that data provided during the course of
your registration by the GRISOFT Company should be of a personal data nature
in sense of Act No. 101/2000 Coll., on Personal Data Protection, as amended,
the GRISOFT Company hereby declares that such personal data shall be handled
in accordance with the applicable provisions of the aforesaid Act, i.e.
within a choice made by you during the course of the registration."

I would like to see the other version also, Tom
Wolf
 
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