Color profiles fro Canon/Hobbicolors inks combination?

[DK]

ip4000 printing on Canon Photo Paper Plus Glossy with inks from
Hobbicolors with ICM enabled and set to Auto gives incredibly strong
green cast. Most of it I can get rid of by disabling ICM and playing with
color settings but it is still *far* from perfect. I've used up over 30 pages
on just test prints and I am very frustrated at this point.

Printing on plain paper gives acceptable color balance with Auto
settings, so I think there is something about the ink/paper combination.

Do you know of any source of custom ICC profiles for ip4000?

Thanks,

DK

 

[aemd]

The canned Canon profiles are adequate but not great for use with Canon inks
in a color managed workflow. Using Canon inks is essentially a guarantee of
consistent color from ink cartridge to ink cartridge compared to what you
get from off labels like Hobbicolor.
Assuming that Hobbicolor ink cartridges are consistent in their color, which
is a large assumption, you will have to purchase or generate your own custom
paper/printer profiles.
The least expensive gear to do this, which works reasonably but not
exquisitely accurately, that I know of is the Monaco Optix XR system. This
includes a sensor to calibrate your monitor and a method, using a flat bed
printer, to profile your paper/printer combination.
It is not clear that you calibrate your monitor or otherwise employ color
management to begin with, which likely also contributes to your problems.

 

[Frank]

ip4000 printing on Canon Photo Paper Plus Glossy with inks from
Hobbicolors with ICM enabled and set to Auto gives incredibly strong
green cast. Most of it I can get rid of by disabling ICM and playing with
color settings but it is still *far* from perfect. I've used up over 30 pages
on just test prints and I am very frustrated at this point.

Printing on plain paper gives acceptable color balance with Auto
settings, so I think there is something about the ink/paper combination.

Do you know of any source of custom ICC profiles for ip4000?

Thanks,

DK

Which software program (Photoshop, etc.) are you printing from? I use
Hobbicolor ink in my Canon i9900 with excellent results.
Frank

 

[Taliesyn]

ip4000 printing on Canon Photo Paper Plus Glossy with inks from
Hobbicolors with ICM enabled and set to Auto gives incredibly strong
green cast.

I use HobbiColors generally with Costco/Kirkland paper (full sheets cut
to size) and have never had to fiddle with the color settings. While
there is a very slight difference - the yellow seems stronger - I've
never had to print anything away from the default "0" balance setting.

I've never used Photo Paper Plus Glossy, just the Photo Paper Pro.

-Taliesyn

 

[measekite]

I use HobbiColors generally with Costco/Kirkland paper (full sheets cut
to size) and have never had to fiddle with the color settings.

is it that bad that any abount of fiddling will do no good. if you do
not like to fiddle try the saxaphone

While
there is a very slight difference - the yellow seems stronger - I've
never had to print anything away from the default "0" balance setting.

I've never used Photo Paper Plus Glossy, just the Photo Paper Pro.

and that is very sligyhtly better than costco paper

 

[measekite]

The canned Canon profiles are adequate but not great for use with Canon inks
in a color managed workflow. Using Canon inks is essentially a guarantee of
consistent color from ink cartridge to ink cartridge compared to what you
get from off labels like Hobbicolor.

that is correct. hobbicolor is just a relabeler and they will not
disclose what they are selling. one purchase can be from a different
formulator than another and you cannot get consistency that way. i
agree with what you just said;

Assuming that Hobbicolor ink cartridges are consistent in their color, which
is a large assumption,

super large since they will not disclose what they are selling. i spoke
with them. they were nice but would still not tell me what they intend
to sell.

you will have to purchase or generate your own custom
paper/printer profiles.

not worth the time and aggravation

 

[measekite]

ip4000 printing on Canon Photo Paper Plus Glossy with inks from
Hobbicolors with ICM enabled and set to Auto gives incredibly strong
green cast. Most of it I can get rid of by disabling ICM and playing with
color settings but it is still *far* from perfect. I've used up over 30 pages
on just test prints and I am very frustrated at this point.

buy canon oem ink and you will not have a problem

 

[Frank]

ip4000 printing on Canon Photo Paper Plus Glossy with inks from
Hobbicolors with ICM enabled and set to Auto gives incredibly strong
green cast. Most of it I can get rid of by disabling ICM and playing with
color settings but it is still *far* from perfect. I've used up over 30 pages
on just test prints and I am very frustrated at this point.

Printing on plain paper gives acceptable color balance with Auto
settings, so I think there is something about the ink/paper combination.

Do you know of any source of custom ICC profiles for ip4000?

Thanks,

DK

I've had the very same color problem with the original oem carts.
Frank

 

[DK]

Which software program (Photoshop, etc.) are you printing from? I use
Hobbicolor ink in my Canon i9900 with excellent results.

Printing from Picture Window, QImage or IrfanView gives the same result.
I am not blaiming the ink because its output on plain paper is pretty close
to the OEM. Obviously its a combination thing.

DK

 

[DK]

The canned Canon profiles are adequate but not great for use with Canon inks
in a color managed workflow. Using Canon inks is essentially a guarantee of
consistent color from ink cartridge to ink cartridge compared to what you
get from off labels like Hobbicolor.
Assuming that Hobbicolor ink cartridges are consistent in their color, which
is a large assumption, you will have to purchase or generate your own custom
paper/printer profiles.
The least expensive gear to do this, which works reasonably but not
exquisitely accurately, that I know of is the Monaco Optix XR system. This
includes a sensor to calibrate your monitor and a method, using a flat bed
printer, to profile your paper/printer combination.
It is not clear that you calibrate your monitor or otherwise employ color
management to begin with, which likely also contributes to your problems.

The monitor is calibrated. Probably not by "pro" standards but close enough
that the same image looks almost identical on it and a professionally
calibrated monitor (I compared).

Unfortunately, printer calibration seems to be more expensive and I
cannot at this point justify spending $200 on it.

DK

 

[DK]

I use HobbiColors generally with Costco/Kirkland paper (full sheets cut
to size) and have never had to fiddle with the color settings. While
there is a very slight difference - the yellow seems stronger - I've
never had to print anything away from the default "0" balance setting.

Could you please provide detailed setting that you use? Say, what
type of paper you select with Kirkland? (Smooth Pearl, I assume?)

DK

 

[DK]

I've had the very same color problem with the original oem carts.

Was it limited to Photo Paper Plus Glossy or to other papers too?
Are you talking about ip4000 or your i9900?

DK

 

[measekite]

since they do not disclose what they are selling and whatever they sell
can be different from purchase to purchase the target is constantly
moving so a reliable profile is not likely.

DK wrote:


I've had the very same color problem with the original oem carts.

Was it limited to Photo Paper Plus Glossy or to other papers too?
Are you talking about ip4000 or your i9900?

DK
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[MCheu]

ip4000 printing on Canon Photo Paper Plus Glossy with inks from
Hobbicolors with ICM enabled and set to Auto gives incredibly strong
green cast. Most of it I can get rid of by disabling ICM and playing with
color settings but it is still *far* from perfect. I've used up over 30 pages
on just test prints and I am very frustrated at this point.

Printing on plain paper gives acceptable color balance with Auto
settings, so I think there is something about the ink/paper combination.

Do you know of any source of custom ICC profiles for ip4000?

Thanks,

DK

If the plain paper setting gives acceptable colour balance, why not
just print with that? The colour balance, even with OEM inks, is
different for the photo paper and plain paper settings, but there's no
real reason that you have to use the photo paper setting.

If the problem goes away when you do this, then obviously, the problem
isn't an incompatibility with the paper and ink.

 

[Taliesyn]

Could you please provide detailed setting that you use? Say, what
type of paper you select with Kirkland? (Smooth Pearl, I assume?)

DK

I don't have a "Smooth Pearl" setting. Must be something new.

1. For paper, I select Photo Paper Pro - the suggested Canon setting for
the Kirkland paper and my printers (iP4000 & iP5000).

2. For quality, I select "custom", then "set", then slide the quality
lever to "1" (fine setting). This setting will give you the highest
possible resolution - and obviously, the slowest print time. I believe
it's about 4 minutes per 4x6 photo for the iP5000 at 9600 dpi. The
iP4000 can only print at 4800 dpi so it'll print about a minute faster
(lower resolution). The iP5000 prints smoother photo & graphics than
it's cheaper cousin, the iP4000.

-Taliesyn

 

[Frank]

Was it limited to Photo Paper Plus Glossy or to other papers too?
Are you talking about ip4000 or your i9900?

DK

Photo Paper Plus Glossy, 4x6.
Frank

 

[measekite]

I don't have a "Smooth Pearl" setting. Must be something new.

1. For paper, I select Photo Paper Pro - the suggested Canon setting for
the Kirkland paper and my printers (iP4000 & iP5000).

that is totally false. the instruction sheet in the box of kirkland
full sheet glossy paper suggests canon photo paper pro as one of the
choices but it is very heavily assumed they mean that it is used with
canon ink. they only mention oem branded printers and not generic
printers that use generic ink

2. For quality, I select "custom", then "set", then slide the quality
lever to "1" (fine setting). This setting will give you the highest
possible resolution - and obviously, the slowest print time. I believe
it's about 4 minutes per 4x6 photo for the iP5000 at 9600 dpi. The
iP4000 can only print at 4800 dpi so it'll print about a minute faster
(lower resolution). The iP5000 prints smoother photo & graphics than
it's cheaper cousin, the iP4000.

totally false. according to tests by both pcworld and pc magazine and
others the ip4000 prints photos marginally better and faster than the
ip5000. the ip5000 prints better in graphics. i guess when he
completes high school (too much study time) he will have the time to
check his resources instead of misleading posters.

 

[Taliesyn]

I don't have a "Smooth Pearl" setting. Must be something new.

1. For paper, I select Photo Paper Pro - the suggested Canon setting for
the Kirkland paper and my printers (iP4000 & iP5000).

that is totally false. [clipped]

Yes, your post is totally false, I agree. The original poster is using
HobbiColors, as I am. Photo Paper Pro setting will give the best setting
no matter which ink he uses. In actual tests HobbiColors and Canon OEM
inks mutually work fine with all the same papers since they have the
same basic formulation (with ultra-minor differences). And neither will
work well with certain Kodak papers. That's fact, not fiction.

totally false. according to tests by both pcworld and pc magazine

Need I add, yet once again, PCWorld and PCMagazine have been proven
wrong here by several of the more knowledgeable people. I have both
printers. The iP5000 does produce a better photo and graphics than its
"cheapie" cousin, the iP4000. This isn't much of an arguable point if
you make the correct settings. PCWorld didn't. I proved it for myself, I
bought both printers. You can't, you only have the lesser one. Hence
you're stuck reading PC's "reviews" which you cannot verify for
yourself. You have no valid argument without actual tests. My premier
printing jobs are always handled by the superior iP5000.

-Taliesyn

 

[Frank]

DK wrote:

DK wrote:

ip4000 printing on Canon Photo Paper Plus Glossy with inks from
Hobbicolors with ICM enabled and set to Auto gives incredibly
strong green cast.




I use HobbiColors generally with Costco/Kirkland paper (full sheets
cut
to size) and have never had to fiddle with the color settings. While
there is a very slight difference - the yellow seems stronger - I've
never had to print anything away from the default "0" balance setting.





Could you please provide detailed setting that you use? Say, what
type of paper you select with Kirkland? (Smooth Pearl, I assume?)

DK




I don't have a "Smooth Pearl" setting. Must be something new.

1. For paper, I select Photo Paper Pro - the suggested Canon setting for
the Kirkland paper and my printers (iP4000 & iP5000).

that is totally false. [clipped]

Yes, your post is totally false, I agree. The original poster is using
HobbiColors, as I am. Photo Paper Pro setting will give the best setting
no matter which ink he uses. In actual tests HobbiColors and Canon OEM
inks mutually work fine with all the same papers since they have the
same basic formulation (with ultra-minor differences). And neither will
work well with certain Kodak papers. That's fact, not fiction.

totally false. according to tests by both pcworld and pc magazine

Need I add, yet once again, PCWorld and PCMagazine have been proven
wrong here by several of the more knowledgeable people. I have both
printers. The iP5000 does produce a better photo and graphics than its
"cheapie" cousin, the iP4000. This isn't much of an arguable point if
you make the correct settings. PCWorld didn't. I proved it for myself, I
bought both printers. You can't, you only have the lesser one. Hence
you're stuck reading PC's "reviews" which you cannot verify for
yourself. You have no valid argument without actual tests. My premier
printing jobs are always handled by the superior iP5000.

-Taliesyn

Yeah T, you tell the moron who can't accept the truth.
What a total jerk he is.
Frank

 

[measekite]

DK wrote:

DK wrote:

ip4000 printing on Canon Photo Paper Plus Glossy with inks from
Hobbicolors with ICM enabled and set to Auto gives incredibly
strong green cast.




I use HobbiColors generally with Costco/Kirkland paper (full
sheets cut
to size) and have never had to fiddle with the color settings. While
there is a very slight difference - the yellow seems stronger - I've
never had to print anything away from the default "0" balance
setting.





Could you please provide detailed setting that you use? Say, what
type of paper you select with Kirkland? (Smooth Pearl, I assume?)

DK




I don't have a "Smooth Pearl" setting. Must be something new.

1. For paper, I select Photo Paper Pro - the suggested Canon setting
for
the Kirkland paper and my printers (iP4000 & iP5000).

that is totally false. [clipped]

Yes, your post is totally false, I agree. The original poster is using
HobbiColors, as I am. Photo Paper Pro setting will give the best setting
no matter which ink he uses. In actual tests HobbiColors and Canon OEM
inks mutually work fine with all the same papers since they have the
same basic formulation (with ultra-minor differences). And neither will
work well with certain Kodak papers. That's fact, not fiction.

totally false. according to tests by both pcworld and pc magazine

snip

This isn't much of an arguable point

thats what i have been trying to say. are you telling me you finally
see the light
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