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Does anyone have any suggestions for my problem? I have an old IBM PC
Server. The BIOS resets itself when I power off the box. I replaced
the CMOS Battey and this still happens. Basically I just want to turn
this box into a firewall or a small file server. However with the bios
resetting, the keyboardless operation disables and wont boot properly
without a keyboard. and the same goes for the display. therefore
forcing me to keep a keyboard and monitor connected to it at all times.
I want to store it away in a closet and not have to worry about it. Is
there anyway I could change the BIOS to have different default
settings? Let me know if anyone has any ideas. I really don't want to
have to put any money into this, if thats the case i'll just buy
another box.

Thanks,
Bryan K.
 
Does anyone have any suggestions for my problem? I have an old IBM PC
Server. The BIOS resets itself when I power off the box. I replaced
the CMOS Battey and this still happens. Basically I just want to turn
this box into a firewall or a small file server. However with the bios
resetting, the keyboardless operation disables and wont boot properly
without a keyboard. and the same goes for the display. therefore
forcing me to keep a keyboard and monitor connected to it at all times.
I want to store it away in a closet and not have to worry about it. Is
there anyway I could change the BIOS to have different default
settings? Let me know if anyone has any ideas. I really don't want to
have to put any money into this, if thats the case i'll just buy
another box.

Thanks,
Bryan K.

Try a different battery. It's not unheard of for a newly purchased battery
to be too low on power to be of any use.
 
Hi,

I would see if you can clear the cmos with a jumper, then remove the battery
and do it. Then replace it after a short wait (5-10 minutes) and retry with
the system-specific configurations.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP

Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
 
'Bryan K.' wrote, in part:
| Does anyone have any suggestions for my problem? I have an old IBM PC
| Server. The BIOS resets itself when I power off the box.
_____

Test the battery.
Clean the contacts on the motherboard AND on the battery (emery board, nail
file ...).
Change the position of the CMOS 'reset' jumper so that it makes only ONE
contact (to make sure that it is not incorrectly positioned.)

Check for proper operation.

Then try Rick's suggestion.

Finally, if still no joy,
turn on the system,
make the BIOS settings,
write down the settings.
leave the system on.

After all, you said you just 'want to store it away in a closet and not have
to worry about it.'
If the old server uses an ATX power supply,the supply is ALWAYS partially
'ON' as long as AC power is supplied, and the CMOS settings and Real Time
Clock should be preserved.

Phil Weldon

| Does anyone have any suggestions for my problem? I have an old IBM PC
| Server. The BIOS resets itself when I power off the box. I replaced
| the CMOS Battey and this still happens. Basically I just want to turn
| this box into a firewall or a small file server. However with the bios
| resetting, the keyboardless operation disables and wont boot properly
| without a keyboard. and the same goes for the display. therefore
| forcing me to keep a keyboard and monitor connected to it at all times.
| I want to store it away in a closet and not have to worry about it. Is
| there anyway I could change the BIOS to have different default
| settings? Let me know if anyone has any ideas. I really don't want to
| have to put any money into this, if thats the case i'll just buy
| another box.
|
| Thanks,
| Bryan K.
|
 
Does anyone have any suggestions for my problem? I have an old IBM PC
Server. The BIOS resets itself when I power off the box. I replaced
the CMOS Battey and this still happens. Basically I just want to turn
this box into a firewall or a small file server. However with the
bios
resetting, the keyboardless operation disables and wont boot properly
without a keyboard. and the same goes for the display. therefore
forcing me to keep a keyboard and monitor connected to it at all
times.
I want to store it away in a closet and not have to worry about it. Is
there anyway I could change the BIOS to have different default
settings? Let me know if anyone has any ideas. I really don't want
to
have to put any money into this, if thats the case i'll just buy
another box.


If it is a file server or firewalling host, why are you powering it
down? Just leave it powered on all the time. The battery is only used
to retain settings when the box is powered down to retain the settings
that were copied from the BIOS into the CMOS table or changed in the
table. If you leave the box powered up all the time, the battery is
superfluous. If you have power outages then get a UPS for that box.
File servers and firewall appliances do not get powered down. Do you
power down your cable modem? Or the NAT router attached to the cable
modem? Just power down the monitor (if you leave one attached) but
leave the box powered up.

How do you know that the wafer battery that you put in to replace the
old one was any good? Did you try another one (and with a later
expiration date since they all have a shelf life)? Was it a wafer
battery or a small box that had wires that connect to a 2-pin header on
the motherboard? Are you sure the wafer battery wasn't inserted upside
down or the 2-pin header was reversed?
 
Thanks for all the suggestions, I will go try a new battery, and switch
the jumper tonight. One of my problems is that the town I live in has
fairly frequent power outages (about twice a month in the summer) and I
don't have an extra UPS to hook up to it. I appriciate all the help.

Thanks,
Bryan K.
 
Thanks for all the suggestions, I will go try a new
battery, and switch the jumper tonight. One of my problems
is that the town I live in has fairly frequent power
outages (about twice a month in the summer) and I don't
have an extra UPS to hook up to it. I appriciate all the
help.

Thanks,
Bryan K.

Without a UPS and being where you have frequent outages, you'll
end up pretty unhappy with a machine you want to serve you
24/7/365. Your choice, but ... .

Pop
 
Thanks for all the suggestions, I will go try a new battery, and switch
the jumper tonight. One of my problems is that the town I live in has
fairly frequent power outages (about twice a month in the summer) and I
don't have an extra UPS to hook up to it. I appriciate all the help.

Thanks,
Bryan K.

Sounds like you live near me.

It could be no wind, no rain, no clouds, and power fails.

Other days, the most horrible lightning/thunder storm, rain like hell,
and the power stays..

I live about 40 miles east of Albuquerque, NM.. How about you?

And just buy a UPS. a $50 UPS will give you power for a couple years.
Replace the battery early enough so that a power outage doesn't knock
off the server when you need it! :)

Good luck.
 
And just buy a UPS. a $50 UPS will give you power for a couple years.
Replace the battery early enough so that a power outage doesn't knock
off the server when you need it! :)


It's important to realize that a $50 UPS will do almost nothing to keep a
server running 24/7. An inexpenive UPS like that is designed to keep you
running for only a few minutes--usually half an hour at most. Its purpose is
not to keep you running through a power outage (unless it's a momentary
one), but to give you enough time for an orderly shutdown, rather than a
problem-causing sudden loss of power.

A UPS which can keep you running for a substantial time withhout external
power costs a *lot* more than $50. These are typically used in business that
need their computers to stay up, and not in peopl'es homes.
 
Ken Blake said:
It's important to realize that a $50 UPS will do almost nothing to keep a
server running 24/7. An inexpenive UPS like that is designed to keep you
running for only a few minutes--usually half an hour at most. Its purpose is
not to keep you running through a power outage (unless it's a momentary
one), but to give you enough time for an orderly shutdown, rather than a
problem-causing sudden loss of power.

A UPS which can keep you running for a substantial time withhout external
power costs a *lot* more than $50. These are typically used in business that
need their computers to stay up, and not in peopl'es homes.

In my experiance both with my home systems, and at work as a software
developer, most of the power outages that caused a system crash were very
brief. Just a flicker of the lights and the system crashed. Most of the
other outages last from seconds to minutes. Outages long enough to use up
the battery in a UPS are really pretty rare, and a UPS will still let you
perform an orderly shutdown rather than crashing your system.

Todd
 
snip<

In my experiance both with my home systems, and at work as a software
developer, most of the power outages that caused a system crash were very
brief. Just a flicker of the lights and the system crashed.

While this may be true in metro areas. There are many parts of rural
America and other countries where this doesn't hold true. In the small
community where I grew up it wasn't uncommon for the power to be out
for an hour or two at a time. It took that long just to get a truck
from the power company out there.

gls858
 
Todd said:
In my experiance both with my home systems, and at work as a software
developer, most of the power outages that caused a system crash were
very brief. Just a flicker of the lights and the system crashed.
Most of the other outages last from seconds to minutes. Outages long
enough to use up the battery in a UPS are really pretty rare, and a
UPS will still let you perform an orderly shutdown rather than
crashing your system.


As I said, a UPS *will* keep you up through a momentary outage, but if it
lasts more than a minute or two, you should start shutting down so as to
forestall potential problems with a sudden loss of power to the computer.

What kind of power outages you get and how long they last depends largely on
where you live. In big cities, longer duration outages are rarer. But in
smaller communities they tend to occur more often. I live in a medium-sized
city and we get outages of both ypes. Yes, the momentary flicker of lights
probably occurs most often, but there are also enough longer-duration
outages to make relying on a $50 UPS to stay up 24/7 completely impractical.
As a matter of fact. even if I were in a big city, if I had a business where
it was important to be up 24/7, I wouldn't dream of relying on such a
device.
 
I use the PowerChute software that came with my APC UPS. It gracefully
shuts down the system after a period of time that I specified. I don't
worry about shutting it down manually.

Tom

|
| As I said, a UPS *will* keep you up through a momentary outage, but if it
| lasts more than a minute or two, you should start shutting down so as to
| forestall potential problems with a sudden loss of power to the computer.
|
| What kind of power outages you get and how long they last depends largely
on
| where you live. In big cities, longer duration outages are rarer. But in
| smaller communities they tend to occur more often. I live in a
medium-sized
| city and we get outages of both ypes. Yes, the momentary flicker of lights
| probably occurs most often, but there are also enough longer-duration
| outages to make relying on a $50 UPS to stay up 24/7 completely
impractical.
| As a matter of fact. even if I were in a big city, if I had a business
where
| it was important to be up 24/7, I wouldn't dream of relying on such a
| device.
|
| --
| Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
| Please reply to the newsgroup
|
|
 
'Ken Blake' wrote, in part:
| As I said, a UPS *will* keep you up through a momentary outage, but if it
| lasts more than a minute or two, you should start shutting down so as to
| forestall potential problems with a sudden loss of power to the computer.
|
| What kind of power outages you get and how long they last depends largely
on
| where you live. In big cities, longer duration outages are rarer. But in
| smaller communities they tend to occur more often. I live in a
medium-sized
| city and we get outages of both ypes
_____

Your advice is good.
Being in a large city is no guarantee.
Many power outages are impossible to rectify in a few minutes.

There are swaths of the USA where power outages of more than a couple of
minutes occur more than once a year.
Areas prone to
windstorm
thunderstorm
ice storm
tornado
hurricane.

And then, less often
flood
earthquake.

And there are
transformer faults
transmission system faults
power station operator errors
traffic accidents
brownouts.

Phil Weldon




| Todd wrote:
|
| > | >> Tim Judd wrote:
| >>
| >>> (e-mail address removed) wrote:
| >>>> Thanks for all the suggestions, I will go try a new battery, and
| >>>> switch the jumper tonight. One of my problems is that the town I
| >>>> live in has fairly frequent power outages (about twice a month in
| >>>> the summer) and I don't have an extra UPS to hook up to it. I
| >>>> appriciate all the help.
| >>
| >>> And just buy a UPS. a $50 UPS will give you power for a couple
| >>> years. Replace the battery early enough so that a power outage
| >>> doesn't knock off the server when you need it! :)
| >>
| >>
| >> It's important to realize that a $50 UPS will do almost nothing to
| >> keep a server running 24/7. An inexpenive UPS like that is designed
| >> to keep you running for only a few minutes--usually half an hour at
| >> most. Its purpose is not to keep you running through a power outage
| >> (unless it's a momentary one), but to give you enough time for an
| >> orderly shutdown, rather than a problem-causing sudden loss of power.
| >>
| >> A UPS which can keep you running for a substantial time withhout
| >> external power costs a *lot* more than $50. These are typically used
| >> in business that need their computers to stay up, and not in
| >> peopl'es homes.
| >>
| >> --
| >> Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
| >> Please reply to the newsgroup
| >>
| >
| > In my experiance both with my home systems, and at work as a software
| > developer, most of the power outages that caused a system crash were
| > very brief. Just a flicker of the lights and the system crashed.
| > Most of the other outages last from seconds to minutes. Outages long
| > enough to use up the battery in a UPS are really pretty rare, and a
| > UPS will still let you perform an orderly shutdown rather than
| > crashing your system.
|
|
| As I said, a UPS *will* keep you up through a momentary outage, but if it
| lasts more than a minute or two, you should start shutting down so as to
| forestall potential problems with a sudden loss of power to the computer.
|
| What kind of power outages you get and how long they last depends largely
on
| where you live. In big cities, longer duration outages are rarer. But in
| smaller communities they tend to occur more often. I live in a
medium-sized
| city and we get outages of both ypes. Yes, the momentary flicker of lights
| probably occurs most often, but there are also enough longer-duration
| outages to make relying on a $50 UPS to stay up 24/7 completely
impractical.
| As a matter of fact. even if I were in a big city, if I had a business
where
| it was important to be up 24/7, I wouldn't dream of relying on such a
| device.
|
| --
| Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
| Please reply to the newsgroup
|
|
 
One *very* important idea to keep in mind, not just from losing the
computers functionally during a power outage, is the fact that Windows *does
not* appreciate having an improper shutdown. A power outage/interruption is
the same as killing the main power switch, or pulling the main plug from the
wall. That is the reason chkdsk runs after a bad shutdown. I've personally
witnessed too many examples where CHKDSK was *unable* to repair the file
damage after such a shutdown.

IMHO, this is one of the best reasons for using a UPS.

FWIW,
--
Curt BD-MVBT

http://dundats.mvps.org/
http://dundats.proboards27.com/index.cgi
http://www.aumha.org/
 
Curt said:
One *very* important idea to keep in mind, not just from losing the
computers functionally during a power outage, is the fact that
Windows *does not* appreciate having an improper shutdown. A power
outage/interruption is the same as killing the main power switch, or
pulling the main plug from the wall. That is the reason chkdsk runs
after a bad shutdown. I've personally witnessed too many examples
where CHKDSK was *unable* to repair the file damage after such a
shutdown.
IMHO, this is one of the best reasons for using a UPS.


You must be coming to the thread late. Yes, that's exactly what I said in my
first post in this thread: "An inexpenive UPS like that is designed to keep
you running for only a few minutes--usually half an hour at most. Its
purpose is not to keep you running through a power outage (unless it's a
momentary one), but to give you enough time for an orderly shutdown, rather
than a problem-causing sudden loss of power."
 
Curt said:
Sorry Ken,
I *did* get to the thread late, and for some reason that previous
post of yours hadn't shown up yet.

Keep up the outstanding work. (And I'll use the "refresh" button a
bit more often <g>)


Not a problem, Curt, and thanks for the kind words.
 
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