cli8 vs bci6 vs c6/c3 (aftermarket)

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As I did when I started on my BCI6 refills, I tested them again.

Unable to get hold of 'claimed' cli8 ink from resellers, I spent a few
hours arguing and getting transferred around, talking to inktec and
ausink, who claim to have cli8 inks, and after getting to someone with
some knoledge in Ausink, Canon Dye ink, C6, Black, is the same, and Canon
Colour dye inks, are C3, they made no change, and don't intend to, they
still beleive there ink matches or exceeds even the cli8 inks, which is
supposed to be much better than bci6, is it not?

When I origionally compared the aftermarket (although I get from
resellers, its ausink's ink) to BCI6, I found all of the inks except the
cyan to be better than the OEM under all abusive conditions.
The cyan got changed about 3 months after I ordered my first 500mL, About
when I reordered another 1L of colours was when the new inks came in.
I noticed no visible difference straight off, but was told the
formulation had changed.
There has been no changes in the ink since, as far as I am aware.


Now.

Having a new set of cartridges still never used from my i9900 (refilled
first set from day 1) I put them in..
Printed a bit to clear nozzles of AM ink.

Printed 2 pictures, and 2 copys of each.
I did the same with my ip6600D
I Now removed my new cartridges from the ip6600D, swapped chips to my
spent cartridge (as to not avoid the warranty incase of worst case
scenario).
Refilled them with C6 black and C3 Colours as I did with my BCI6 ones.
I printed full pages of junk to use half the ink in the ressy (more on
some of them) to garentee all oem ink spent.
I then printed the same as I did before.


One was colour spectrum, and fine colour lines, kind of similair to the
black test, black was the ISO test print they use with cameras (go look
at some dSLR reviews and you'll see it)

Was printed on canon's own high resolution paper (the polished one)

Having access to all sorts of wonderful UV gear at uni, a colour, and
black of all of them, got subjected to 12 hours of intense UV, with the
assistance of some humidity

The next step got subject to water in given spots.. even tho everyone
knows dye ink hates water, whats the harm in testing?

Last step, got thrown in the oven at just below 'tanning' point for a few
hours. (about 5)

After this I compared.

Colour:
None of the inks deteriated except red/magenta

CLI8 - Lost about 12 on M, 1 on C, 1 on Y, in regards to
magenta.

BCI6 - Lost about 11 on M, 0 on C, 1 on Y, in regards to red, 14 on M, 2
on C, 1 on Y in regards to magenta

C3 - Lost about 12 on M, 2 on C, 0 on Y, in regards to magenta


Black:
They all were identical, the scanner could not pick up even 1/255
difference on any of the 3 after testing several positions.
They all washed away into the identical green, with purple halo and
purple on the underside of the paper.

Resolution Difference:
Nothing, the i9900 naturally had the nicest looking print albeit with the
oversaturated red and green, as it does, otherwise resolution difference
was beyond the papers capability.

Colour difference compared:
The pM and pC both came up 1/255 different between the BCI6 and CLI8, the
aftermarket matched the cli8. Could be printer itself?


Considering the crudeness of this experiment..
I'm left wondering what improvement, if any, there really is in the
Chromalife ink?
As it seems to deterioate identical to both aftermarket and bci6 inks.
The improvement of the C3 ink is still obvious compared to the BCI6,
which was in my origional test years ago, the improvement remains much
the same, but the cli-8 does appear to be the same.

So the ink I get definately is not OEM ink, and may very well be made
here as they claim, is better than bci6, as good as cli8??, but no reason
to care, the difference is too small to be concerned about.
 
As I did when I started on my BCI6 refills, I tested them again.

Unable to get hold of 'claimed' cli8 ink from resellers, I spent a few
hours arguing and getting transferred around, talking to inktec and
ausink, who claim to have cli8 inks, and after getting to someone with
some knoledge in Ausink, Canon Dye ink, C6, Black, is the same, and Canon
Colour dye inks, are C3, they made no change, and don't intend to, they
still beleive there ink matches or exceeds even the cli8 inks, which is
supposed to be much better than bci6, is it not?

When I origionally compared the aftermarket (although I get from
resellers, its ausink's ink) to BCI6, I found all of the inks except the
cyan to be better than the OEM under all abusive conditions.
The cyan got changed about 3 months after I ordered my first 500mL, About
when I reordered another 1L of colours was when the new inks came in.
I noticed no visible difference straight off, but was told the
formulation had changed.
There has been no changes in the ink since, as far as I am aware.


Now.

Having a new set of cartridges still never used from my i9900 (refilled
first set from day 1) I put them in..
Printed a bit to clear nozzles of AM ink.
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snip
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How do you put bci-6 cartridges into the ip6600D printer?

I thought they don't fit.

SLK
 
HA HA HA
NO JUDGEMENT

HA HA HA
CONSTANTLY CHANGING INK THAT IS NOT DISCLOSED. YOU BUY LOWEST BIDDER INK
 
Refilled them with C6 black and C3 Colours as I did with my BCI6 ones.

Do the C3 color inks are same with bci6 or bci3 inks?
 
How do you put bci-6 cartridges into the ip6600D printer?

I thought they don't fit.
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I'll look into this when I get my ip5200. I thought they were similar
except for the chips that were piggybacked on the tanks, and the fancy
lights. I.e. I thought you could detach the units and slap them on an
old tank.
 
zakezuke said:
I'll look into this when I get my ip5200. I thought they were similar
except for the chips that were piggybacked on the tanks, and the fancy
lights. I.e. I thought you could detach the units and slap them on an
old tank.
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I looked, briefly, at an ip4200 recently and pulled one of the carts out.
There are two recesses on the bottom of the chipped carts that mate up with
two little "bumps" in the printhead that appear to prevent placement of the
bci-6 cart. If anyone has one of the most recent Pixmas and the printhead
is defective, it would be interesting to take a small grinder, take out the
bumps in the area where the carts seat, and see if all the other dimensions
of the bci-6 cart will fit. You could further see if bci-6 carts would
print with a modified printhead. Maybe that would be the answer to the
refill issue. If anyone has some bci-6 carts and also some of the newer
carts it would be interesting for you to compare them and report on the NG.
 
If anyone has some bci-6 carts and also some of the newer
carts it would be interesting for you to compare them and report on the NG.
Click to expand...

Looks like my printer shipped and should be here on friday.
 
How do you put bci-6 cartridges into the ip6600D printer?

I thought they don't fit.

SLK
Click to expand...

I tested the BCI6 origional carts, actually in the i9900
they don;t quite phisically fit, but the printer won't recognise a
cartridge without a chip anyway.
 
I looked, briefly, at an ip4200 recently and pulled one of the carts
out. There are two recesses on the bottom of the chipped carts that
mate up with two little "bumps" in the printhead that appear to
prevent placement of the bci-6 cart. If anyone has one of the most
recent Pixmas and the printhead is defective, it would be interesting
to take a small grinder, take out the bumps in the area where the
carts seat, and see if all the other dimensions of the bci-6 cart will
fit. You could further see if bci-6 carts would print with a modified
printhead. Maybe that would be the answer to the refill issue. If
anyone has some bci-6 carts and also some of the newer carts it would
be interesting for you to compare them and report on the NG.
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The chip is the issue here, just rip the chip off os a cli8 and put it in,
exact same result as butchering a bci-6, which is no cartridge recognised.
I swapped the chips around between my different sets of cli-8's.
 
Looks like my printer shipped and should be here on friday.
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This is the closest that can be done without actually modifying cartridges,
Considering the main issue with my test was the colour difference, and
fading, the printer which I used wasn't a concern, if you want a resolution
test, thats somethign different.
 
Yianni said:
Do the C3 color inks are same with bci6 or bci3 inks?
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This is this manufacturer of ink only, but I'd imagine most are doing the
identical thing..

Theres actually not that many inks..
Basically, when an ink is improved, as long as the colours the same, and it
reacts the same way in the printhead, it will work in all the older ones.

C3 colours do the BCI3e(cmy), BCI6(cmy), CLI8(cmy), BCI24(cyan), CL41/51
So in effect, if the ink is goodenough (not much chance it isn't, ink isn't
that fancy) all those should be compatible.

The C4 colours are the BC01, BC02, so on...

I've researched the inks a bit more than I usually would have, more so
under my own curiosity :)
 
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As I probably shouldn've, from what I've gathered, there should be no harm
in running pigment ink though a dye head...

The result, so far so good.

I'm using my ip6600d (with swapped chips yet again), but I removed what was
left in the cartridge (as much as I could) and put the pigment black ink
into it (gonna experiment as much as I can while I got a warranty :D) and
printed a couple hundred pages of black text.

That all went fine..

So as I didn't leave my other ink there to test, I now have pigment ink in
my ip6600d.


I wouldn't reccomend anyone else try this..
but from what I been finding out..

Well, when I had my epson 1160 with black, and 3 different shades of grey,
and it went forever like that, really proves as long as the ink is going to
fit, not dry, and react correct to the nozzles technology, anything will do
(as long as the colours correct of course)

So give me a week till anyone jumps in and asks technicals or does it
aswell, in a weeks time I'll tell ya wether I have a new ip6600d or still
going strong :)

If so, I know what inks I'll be calibrating for and using when the pixma
9500pro inks are out :)
thats if I don;t just get the 9500pro
 
C3 colours do the BCI3e(cmy), BCI6(cmy), CLI8(cmy), BCI24(cyan), CL41/51
So in effect, if the ink is goodenough (not much chance it isn't, ink isn't
that fancy) all those should be compatible.
Click to expand...

Apart from being physically different between CLI-8 and BCI-6, AFAIK
there are visible differences between BCI-3e and BCI-6 and CLI-8 etc.
I've researched the inks a bit more than I usually would have, more so
under my own curiosity :)
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What kind of research? Did you print those colors on the same paper,
(scan them, ) and compare the colors (and balance color profiles)?

As far as I learned by now, most of the color range can be adjusted by
proper calibration.

However, while BCI-6 ink may be used in BCI-3 printers, the other way
round may cause problems.

- Martin
 
Apart from being physically different between CLI-8 and BCI-6, AFAIK
there are visible differences between BCI-3e and BCI-6 and CLI-8 etc.
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Inks, not carts
What kind of research? Did you print those colors on the same paper,
(scan them, ) and compare the colors (and balance color profiles)?
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Yes
and ink structure.. ie. what there made of, and differences.
how the ink reacts in the printhead, printhead design whitepapers.
a fair bit more than just colour comparison.
As far as I learned by now, most of the color range can be adjusted by
proper calibration.
Click to expand...

To a certain degree.. yes.
However, while BCI-6 ink may be used in BCI-3 printers, the other way
round may cause problems.
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Thats basically what I said.. just not very well..
If the ink is goodenough for cli8, its fine in all of those others, if its
claimed to be BCI3e it may not be, good chance is that when they improved
the ink for the newer ones, IF they even had to, theres a good chance they
just dumped the old formulation.. no garentee there.

if when you said BCI3, you didn;t mean BCI3e, I don't know the cartridge at
all.
 
I wouldn't reccomend anyone else try this..
but from what I been finding out..
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I would say this so far, the blacks arn't the same colour.
I haven't attempted to calibrate it.. tommorow I'll play with it a bit
more.
 
Inks, not carts
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Exactly what I meant. BTW: CLI-8 and BCI-6 look almost the same
(exception: obviously the chip). Howeber, Cartridges CLI-8 fit
physically into the BCI-6 slots, but not the other way round.
Is there a difference between BCI-3 and BCI-6?

Yes
and ink structure.. ie. what there made of, and differences.
how the ink reacts in the printhead, printhead design whitepapers.
a fair bit more than just colour comparison.
Click to expand...

And you did not find any difference between BCI-3e and BCI-6?
Thats basically what I said.. just not very well..
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I did not understand it.
If the ink is goodenough for cli8, its fine in all of those others,
ok

if when you said BCI3, you didn;t mean BCI3e, I don't know the
cartridge at all.
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I meant BCI-3e vs. BCI-6, althugh I don't know what kind of improvement
happened vom BCI-3 to BCI-3e and from BCI-5 to BCI-6.

All those comments for dye ink. Pigmented black is a perfectly different
story.

- Martin
 
Martin said:
Exactly what I meant. BTW: CLI-8 and BCI-6 look almost the same
(exception: obviously the chip). Howeber, Cartridges CLI-8 fit
physically into the BCI-6 slots, but not the other way round.
Is there a difference between BCI-3 and BCI-6?
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THAT IS NOT IMPORTANT. ALL YOU NEED TO DO IS GET WHAT THE CANON MANUAL
TELLS YOU.
And you did not find any difference between BCI-3e and BCI-6?
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ANOTHER LUNACY
I did not understand it.
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SOUND TO ME LIKE YOU DO OT UNDERSTAND ANYTHING
 
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