Clean install

[Antonio Roque]

Hi.
After I upgrade to Vista upgrade Home premium of my laptop Toshiba
Satellite. I noticing my hard drive lost almost 4 gig. I need to do clean
installation in order to recover my hard drive memory.I don't care to loose
any program because I don't have nothing important yet.

1. I have 160 gig hard drive
2 .1.66 gig memory ram
3. 1.67 GHZ


Thanks
Roque.

 

[Richard G. Harper]

If your copy is an upgrade copy, you can't install it clean. It must be
installed as an upgrade from within Windows.

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[Mark]

Look around!
Clean install with an upgrade disk is posted everywhere.
(The MVP is technically correct. You cannot "clean" install and activate the
upgrade product. You can "clean" install, then from within the Windows you
just installed, "upgrade and activate" the product.)
~~~
What? MS created a method to perform a Clean Install with their upgrade
disk?
Let's see...
They allow you to install any version of Vista as trial ware for 30 days
from that disk you bought.
(We won't discuss that workaround and what is the purpose of a 30-day trial
on something you paid outrageous money on? I guess you're supposed to let
other people borrow your disk.)
Now, having Vista (Windows) installed, even as trial ware, satisfies the
upgrade disk for installation as an upgrade.

Could it be a bug? A slip in the process? What were they thinking?
Maybe you're having horrendous problems getting Vista to stabilize (duh) or
questioning Vista's upgrade process at being able to remove the garbage in
the old OS before it upgrades.
(I personally recommend backups. They're faster to install, pre-activated
and include all your apps at the same time.)
Whatever...
You bought the upgrade, use it as an upgrade.
WHAT you upgrade is on your shoulders. But, once installed and activated,
the old is gone... whatever it was.

If your copy is an upgrade copy, you can't install it clean. It must be
installed as an upgrade from within Windows.

--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] (e-mail address removed)
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Hi.
After I upgrade to Vista upgrade Home premium of my laptop Toshiba
Satellite. I noticing my hard drive lost almost 4 gig. I need to do clean
installation in order to recover my hard drive memory.I don't care to
loose any program because I don't have nothing important yet.

1. I have 160 gig hard drive
2 .1.66 gig memory ram
3. 1.67 GHZ


Thanks
Roque.

 

[Antonio Roque]

Thanks again.
My computer run just fine , I don't have any problem,the only reason I'm
concern, my HD,lost a lot of memory,4 gig but beside that everything fine.
The upgrade was given by Toshiba because my machine is win vista capable .

Thanks again for your advice

Roque.

Look around!
Clean install with an upgrade disk is posted everywhere.
(The MVP is technically correct. You cannot "clean" install and activate
the upgrade product. You can "clean" install, then from within the Windows
you just installed, "upgrade and activate" the product.)
~~~
What? MS created a method to perform a Clean Install with their upgrade
disk?
Let's see...
They allow you to install any version of Vista as trial ware for 30 days
from that disk you bought.
(We won't discuss that workaround and what is the purpose of a 30-day
trial on something you paid outrageous money on? I guess you're supposed
to let other people borrow your disk.)
Now, having Vista (Windows) installed, even as trial ware, satisfies the
upgrade disk for installation as an upgrade.

Could it be a bug? A slip in the process? What were they thinking?
Maybe you're having horrendous problems getting Vista to stabilize (duh)
or questioning Vista's upgrade process at being able to remove the garbage
in the old OS before it upgrades.
(I personally recommend backups. They're faster to install, pre-activated
and include all your apps at the same time.)
Whatever...
You bought the upgrade, use it as an upgrade.
WHAT you upgrade is on your shoulders. But, once installed and activated,
the old is gone... whatever it was.

If your copy is an upgrade copy, you can't install it clean. It must be
installed as an upgrade from within Windows.

--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] (e-mail address removed)
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Hi.
After I upgrade to Vista upgrade Home premium of my laptop Toshiba
Satellite. I noticing my hard drive lost almost 4 gig. I need to do
clean installation in order to recover my hard drive memory.I don't care
to loose any program because I don't have nothing important yet.

1. I have 160 gig hard drive
2 .1.66 gig memory ram
3. 1.67 GHZ


Thanks
Roque.

 

[peter]

But he already has it installed and I bet activated!!!
doesn't anybody read anymore??
peter

Look around!
Clean install with an upgrade disk is posted everywhere.
(The MVP is technically correct. You cannot "clean" install and activate
the upgrade product. You can "clean" install, then from within the Windows
you just installed, "upgrade and activate" the product.)
~~~
What? MS created a method to perform a Clean Install with their upgrade
disk?
Let's see...
They allow you to install any version of Vista as trial ware for 30 days
from that disk you bought.
(We won't discuss that workaround and what is the purpose of a 30-day
trial on something you paid outrageous money on? I guess you're supposed
to let other people borrow your disk.)
Now, having Vista (Windows) installed, even as trial ware, satisfies the
upgrade disk for installation as an upgrade.

Could it be a bug? A slip in the process? What were they thinking?
Maybe you're having horrendous problems getting Vista to stabilize (duh)
or questioning Vista's upgrade process at being able to remove the garbage
in the old OS before it upgrades.
(I personally recommend backups. They're faster to install, pre-activated
and include all your apps at the same time.)
Whatever...
You bought the upgrade, use it as an upgrade.
WHAT you upgrade is on your shoulders. But, once installed and activated,
the old is gone... whatever it was.

If your copy is an upgrade copy, you can't install it clean. It must be
installed as an upgrade from within Windows.

--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] (e-mail address removed)
* NEW! Catch my blog ... http://msmvps.com/blogs/rgharper/
* PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
* The Website - http://rgharper.mvps.org/
* HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

Hi.
After I upgrade to Vista upgrade Home premium of my laptop Toshiba
Satellite. I noticing my hard drive lost almost 4 gig. I need to do
clean installation in order to recover my hard drive memory.I don't care
to loose any program because I don't have nothing important yet.

1. I have 160 gig hard drive
2 .1.66 gig memory ram
3. 1.67 GHZ


Thanks
Roque.

 

[Mark]

I'll let you answer your own question:
"I need to do clean installation in order to recover my hard drive memory."

But he already has it installed and I bet activated!!!
doesn't anybody read anymore??
peter

Look around!
Clean install with an upgrade disk is posted everywhere.
(The MVP is technically correct. You cannot "clean" install and activate
the upgrade product. You can "clean" install, then from within the
Windows you just installed, "upgrade and activate" the product.)
~~~
What? MS created a method to perform a Clean Install with their upgrade
disk?
Let's see...
They allow you to install any version of Vista as trial ware for 30 days
from that disk you bought.
(We won't discuss that workaround and what is the purpose of a 30-day
trial on something you paid outrageous money on? I guess you're supposed
to let other people borrow your disk.)
Now, having Vista (Windows) installed, even as trial ware, satisfies the
upgrade disk for installation as an upgrade.

Could it be a bug? A slip in the process? What were they thinking?
Maybe you're having horrendous problems getting Vista to stabilize (duh)
or questioning Vista's upgrade process at being able to remove the
garbage in the old OS before it upgrades.
(I personally recommend backups. They're faster to install, pre-activated
and include all your apps at the same time.)
Whatever...
You bought the upgrade, use it as an upgrade.
WHAT you upgrade is on your shoulders. But, once installed and activated,
the old is gone... whatever it was.

If your copy is an upgrade copy, you can't install it clean. It must be
installed as an upgrade from within Windows.

--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] (e-mail address removed)
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* The Website - http://rgharper.mvps.org/
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Hi.
After I upgrade to Vista upgrade Home premium of my laptop Toshiba
Satellite. I noticing my hard drive lost almost 4 gig. I need to do
clean installation in order to recover my hard drive memory.I don't
care to loose any program because I don't have nothing important yet.

1. I have 160 gig hard drive
2 .1.66 gig memory ram
3. 1.67 GHZ


Thanks
Roque.

 

[Richard G. Harper]

Three thoughts:

1. Unsupported.
2. Against EULA.
3. Not guaranteed to work forever.

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If your copy is an upgrade copy, you can't install it clean. It must be
installed as an upgrade from within Windows.

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Hi Richard,

You can, but technically your doing the upgrade from a unactived clean
install of the upgrade Vista. This way you do not have to worry about
any problems from doing it from within XP, or you just want a clean
install. See this link for what I mean, but it works flawlessly
everytime for me.

http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/68767-clean-install.html

Shawn


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[Richard G. Harper]

Three thoughts:

1. Unsupported.
2. Against EULA.
3. Not guaranteed to work forever.

--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] (e-mail address removed)
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* HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

Look around!
Clean install with an upgrade disk is posted everywhere.
(The MVP is technically correct. You cannot "clean" install and activate
the upgrade product. You can "clean" install, then from within the Windows
you just installed, "upgrade and activate" the product.)
~~~
What? MS created a method to perform a Clean Install with their upgrade
disk?
Let's see...
They allow you to install any version of Vista as trial ware for 30 days
from that disk you bought.
(We won't discuss that workaround and what is the purpose of a 30-day
trial on something you paid outrageous money on? I guess you're supposed
to let other people borrow your disk.)
Now, having Vista (Windows) installed, even as trial ware, satisfies the
upgrade disk for installation as an upgrade.

Could it be a bug? A slip in the process? What were they thinking?
Maybe you're having horrendous problems getting Vista to stabilize (duh)
or questioning Vista's upgrade process at being able to remove the garbage
in the old OS before it upgrades.
(I personally recommend backups. They're faster to install, pre-activated
and include all your apps at the same time.)
Whatever...
You bought the upgrade, use it as an upgrade.
WHAT you upgrade is on your shoulders. But, once installed and activated,
the old is gone... whatever it was.

If your copy is an upgrade copy, you can't install it clean. It must be
installed as an upgrade from within Windows.

--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] (e-mail address removed)
* NEW! Catch my blog ... http://msmvps.com/blogs/rgharper/
* PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
* The Website - http://rgharper.mvps.org/
* HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

Hi.
After I upgrade to Vista upgrade Home premium of my laptop Toshiba
Satellite. I noticing my hard drive lost almost 4 gig. I need to do
clean installation in order to recover my hard drive memory.I don't care
to loose any program because I don't have nothing important yet.

1. I have 160 gig hard drive
2 .1.66 gig memory ram
3. 1.67 GHZ


Thanks
Roque.

 

[Mark]

Three thoughts:

1. Unsupported.

What is there to support?
It works! And, once installed, it's Vista.

2. Against EULA.

Basically, you just repeated #1.
(As if anyone actually reads these things. EULAs don't stand up
in court when pressed.)

3. Not guaranteed to work forever.

Nothing is.

--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] (e-mail address removed)
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* The Website - http://rgharper.mvps.org/
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Look around!
Clean install with an upgrade disk is posted everywhere.
(The MVP is technically correct. You cannot "clean" install and activate
the upgrade product. You can "clean" install, then from within the
Windows you just installed, "upgrade and activate" the product.)
~~~
What? MS created a method to perform a Clean Install with their upgrade
disk?
Let's see...
They allow you to install any version of Vista as trial ware for 30 days
from that disk you bought.
(We won't discuss that workaround and what is the purpose of a 30-day
trial on something you paid outrageous money on? I guess you're supposed
to let other people borrow your disk.)
Now, having Vista (Windows) installed, even as trial ware, satisfies the
upgrade disk for installation as an upgrade.

Could it be a bug? A slip in the process? What were they thinking?
Maybe you're having horrendous problems getting Vista to stabilize (duh)
or questioning Vista's upgrade process at being able to remove the
garbage in the old OS before it upgrades.
(I personally recommend backups. They're faster to install, pre-activated
and include all your apps at the same time.)
Whatever...
You bought the upgrade, use it as an upgrade.
WHAT you upgrade is on your shoulders. But, once installed and activated,
the old is gone... whatever it was.

If your copy is an upgrade copy, you can't install it clean. It must be
installed as an upgrade from within Windows.

--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] (e-mail address removed)
* NEW! Catch my blog ... http://msmvps.com/blogs/rgharper/
* PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
* The Website - http://rgharper.mvps.org/
* HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


Hi.
After I upgrade to Vista upgrade Home premium of my laptop Toshiba
Satellite. I noticing my hard drive lost almost 4 gig. I need to do
clean installation in order to recover my hard drive memory.I don't
care to loose any program because I don't have nothing important yet.

1. I have 160 gig hard drive
2 .1.66 gig memory ram
3. 1.67 GHZ


Thanks
Roque.

 

[Peter Foldes]

Guess you think you know all about this. And How wrong you are.

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Three thoughts:

1. Unsupported.

What is there to support?
It works! And, once installed, it's Vista.

2. Against EULA.

Basically, you just repeated #1.
(As if anyone actually reads these things. EULAs don't stand up
in court when pressed.)

3. Not guaranteed to work forever.

Nothing is.

--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] (e-mail address removed)
* NEW! Catch my blog ... http://msmvps.com/blogs/rgharper/
* PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
* The Website - http://rgharper.mvps.org/
* HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

Look around!
Clean install with an upgrade disk is posted everywhere.
(The MVP is technically correct. You cannot "clean" install and activate
the upgrade product. You can "clean" install, then from within the
Windows you just installed, "upgrade and activate" the product.)
~~~
What? MS created a method to perform a Clean Install with their upgrade
disk?
Let's see...
They allow you to install any version of Vista as trial ware for 30 days
from that disk you bought.
(We won't discuss that workaround and what is the purpose of a 30-day
trial on something you paid outrageous money on? I guess you're supposed
to let other people borrow your disk.)
Now, having Vista (Windows) installed, even as trial ware, satisfies the
upgrade disk for installation as an upgrade.

Could it be a bug? A slip in the process? What were they thinking?
Maybe you're having horrendous problems getting Vista to stabilize (duh)
or questioning Vista's upgrade process at being able to remove the
garbage in the old OS before it upgrades.
(I personally recommend backups. They're faster to install, pre-activated
and include all your apps at the same time.)
Whatever...
You bought the upgrade, use it as an upgrade.
WHAT you upgrade is on your shoulders. But, once installed and activated,
the old is gone... whatever it was.


If your copy is an upgrade copy, you can't install it clean. It must be
installed as an upgrade from within Windows.

--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] (e-mail address removed)
* NEW! Catch my blog ... http://msmvps.com/blogs/rgharper/
* PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
* The Website - http://rgharper.mvps.org/
* HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


Hi.
After I upgrade to Vista upgrade Home premium of my laptop Toshiba
Satellite. I noticing my hard drive lost almost 4 gig. I need to do
clean installation in order to recover my hard drive memory.I don't
care to loose any program because I don't have nothing important yet.

1. I have 160 gig hard drive
2 .1.66 gig memory ram
3. 1.67 GHZ


Thanks
Roque.

 

[Guest]

No, I don't know all about this. In fact, I'd recommend you not qoute me or
ask me to represent you on any of this. I don't really have to worry about it
since according to Microsoft and the EULA, I'm legal (on all my software.)
~~~
The original post simply asked if he could "clean" install with an upgrade
disk. The answer is yes.

If you are trying to state the EULA doesn't allow this, then I'd suggest you
re-read it.
Installation:
paragraph 2.
Before you use the software under a license, you must assign that
license to one device.

If the user installs the software as trial ware, the license is not
applicable and the EULA does not apply.

Activation.
paragraph 4.
Before you activate, you have the right to use the version of the
software installed during the installation process.

If you did not use a license key on installation, you cannot
activate and limited functionality will kick in after the appropriate period
of time as designed.

Scope of License.
paragraph 8.

You must comply with any technical limitations in the software that
only allow you to use it in certain ways.
You may not:
-work around any technical limitations in the software

If the user can install the software by running it as designed with
the options presented via menus, is this a work around?


And, last:
Upgrades.
paragraph 13.
To use upgrade software, you must first be licensed for the
software that is eligible for the upgrade.

Nowhere in the EULA does it state that the required eligible
software is required to be installed on your machine when the upgrade is
performed and the software obviously can be installed without it being
present.

Based on the EULA, I'd have to state that Microsoft is obligated
to support a "clean" install with an upgrade disk and the prior statement by
the MVP that this option is unsupported could effectively be challenged. But,
that's my opinion and the big bucks usually win. Me, I simply got tired of
re-installing multiple times and use my prior recommendation: perform a full
backup after you completely install all your trusted applications. Then,
"clean" installs are a breeze using the backup. Wait... is that a work around?

Guess you think you know all about this. And How wrong you are.

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Three thoughts:

1. Unsupported.

What is there to support?
It works! And, once installed, it's Vista.

2. Against EULA.

Basically, you just repeated #1.
(As if anyone actually reads these things. EULAs don't stand up
in court when pressed.)

3. Not guaranteed to work forever.

Nothing is.

--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] (e-mail address removed)
* NEW! Catch my blog ... http://msmvps.com/blogs/rgharper/
* PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
* The Website - http://rgharper.mvps.org/
* HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


Look around!
Clean install with an upgrade disk is posted everywhere.
(The MVP is technically correct. You cannot "clean" install and activate
the upgrade product. You can "clean" install, then from within the
Windows you just installed, "upgrade and activate" the product.)
~~~
What? MS created a method to perform a Clean Install with their upgrade
disk?
Let's see...
They allow you to install any version of Vista as trial ware for 30 days
from that disk you bought.
(We won't discuss that workaround and what is the purpose of a 30-day
trial on something you paid outrageous money on? I guess you're supposed
to let other people borrow your disk.)
Now, having Vista (Windows) installed, even as trial ware, satisfies the
upgrade disk for installation as an upgrade.

Could it be a bug? A slip in the process? What were they thinking?
Maybe you're having horrendous problems getting Vista to stabilize (duh)
or questioning Vista's upgrade process at being able to remove the
garbage in the old OS before it upgrades.
(I personally recommend backups. They're faster to install, pre-activated
and include all your apps at the same time.)
Whatever...
You bought the upgrade, use it as an upgrade.
WHAT you upgrade is on your shoulders. But, once installed and activated,
the old is gone... whatever it was.


If your copy is an upgrade copy, you can't install it clean. It must be
installed as an upgrade from within Windows.

--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] (e-mail address removed)
* NEW! Catch my blog ... http://msmvps.com/blogs/rgharper/
* PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
* The Website - http://rgharper.mvps.org/
* HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


Hi.
After I upgrade to Vista upgrade Home premium of my laptop Toshiba
Satellite. I noticing my hard drive lost almost 4 gig. I need to do
clean installation in order to recover my hard drive memory.I don't
care to loose any program because I don't have nothing important yet.

1. I have 160 gig hard drive
2 .1.66 gig memory ram
3. 1.67 GHZ


Thanks
Roque.

 

[Guest]

Obviously, these examples are just the tip of the iceberg:

Resell of software:
(EULA loses)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/584117/posts

EULA is unenforceable:
Do you have more than 2 CPUs:
EULA states it may only be used with 2 processors per license.
Don’t forget, most graphics cards contain CPUs also.

Do you use a third party program not sanctioned by Microsoft?
EULA states this may be unlawful. (i.e. Autopatcher)

Were you presented an opportunity to read and agree to all the EULAs that
apply prior to installation?
See Section 13. Third Party Software.
Vista contains third party software which you are being bound to with
the Vista EULA.

Do you run Vista in a virtual environment?
Only allowed with Ultimate version.

http://parallelsvirtualization.blogspot.com/2007/01/vista-is-here-so-what-does-it-mean-for.html

Is your software OEM?
You did not personally agree to the EULA, your vendor did.

Ambiguity of EULA:
(This is the XP version, but applies substantially to show unenforceability.)
cybersource.com.au/cyber/about/comparing_the_gpl_to_eula.pdf


Where does EULA win:
Don’t reverse engineer the product!
Don't try to get reimbursed for damage/loss of data.


Now, back to the original question:
http://www.pctipsbox.com/clean-install-windows-vista-with-upgrade-dvds/

Guess you think you know all about this. And How wrong you are.

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Three thoughts:

1. Unsupported.

What is there to support?
It works! And, once installed, it's Vista.

2. Against EULA.

Basically, you just repeated #1.
(As if anyone actually reads these things. EULAs don't stand up
in court when pressed.)

3. Not guaranteed to work forever.

Nothing is.

--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] (e-mail address removed)
* NEW! Catch my blog ... http://msmvps.com/blogs/rgharper/
* PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
* The Website - http://rgharper.mvps.org/
* HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


Look around!
Clean install with an upgrade disk is posted everywhere.
(The MVP is technically correct. You cannot "clean" install and activate
the upgrade product. You can "clean" install, then from within the
Windows you just installed, "upgrade and activate" the product.)
~~~
What? MS created a method to perform a Clean Install with their upgrade
disk?
Let's see...
They allow you to install any version of Vista as trial ware for 30 days
from that disk you bought.
(We won't discuss that workaround and what is the purpose of a 30-day
trial on something you paid outrageous money on? I guess you're supposed
to let other people borrow your disk.)
Now, having Vista (Windows) installed, even as trial ware, satisfies the
upgrade disk for installation as an upgrade.

Could it be a bug? A slip in the process? What were they thinking?
Maybe you're having horrendous problems getting Vista to stabilize (duh)
or questioning Vista's upgrade process at being able to remove the
garbage in the old OS before it upgrades.
(I personally recommend backups. They're faster to install, pre-activated
and include all your apps at the same time.)
Whatever...
You bought the upgrade, use it as an upgrade.
WHAT you upgrade is on your shoulders. But, once installed and activated,
the old is gone... whatever it was.


If your copy is an upgrade copy, you can't install it clean. It must be
installed as an upgrade from within Windows.

--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] (e-mail address removed)
* NEW! Catch my blog ... http://msmvps.com/blogs/rgharper/
* PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
* The Website - http://rgharper.mvps.org/
* HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


Hi.
After I upgrade to Vista upgrade Home premium of my laptop Toshiba
Satellite. I noticing my hard drive lost almost 4 gig. I need to do
clean installation in order to recover my hard drive memory.I don't
care to loose any program because I don't have nothing important yet.

1. I have 160 gig hard drive
2 .1.66 gig memory ram
3. 1.67 GHZ


Thanks
Roque.

 

[Antonio Roque]

Mark, Thank you, and everybody
The question is!!!!! My upgrade is illegal?? the answer is not.
The upgrade version was given by Toshiba upgrade,since my machine had
Windows XP Media installed by TOSHIBA factory and the logo VISTA CAPABLE ,
this not a trial version, this is full and legal. I already had it installed
and activated VISTA HOME PREMIUM without any problem.but I want clean
install and recover all my memory back again

My question remain.Since this upgrade is from TOSHIBA and I have two option
1-Upgrade recommended by Win.vista home premium
2- Clean install yes.BUT !!!!!!! Now this is the big question.Do I have to
reformat the primary partition or simply click OK and GO.

I need your big favor this.I'm not expert doing this

Roque

Obviously, these examples are just the tip of the iceberg:

Resell of software:
(EULA loses)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/584117/posts

EULA is unenforceable:
Do you have more than 2 CPUs:
EULA states it may only be used with 2 processors per license.
Don't forget, most graphics cards contain CPUs also.

Do you use a third party program not sanctioned by Microsoft?
EULA states this may be unlawful. (i.e. Autopatcher)

Were you presented an opportunity to read and agree to all the EULAs that
apply prior to installation?
See Section 13. Third Party Software.
Vista contains third party software which you are being bound to with
the Vista EULA.

Do you run Vista in a virtual environment?
Only allowed with Ultimate version.

http://parallelsvirtualization.blogspot.com/2007/01/vista-is-here-so-what-does-it-mean-for.html

Is your software OEM?
You did not personally agree to the EULA, your vendor did.

Ambiguity of EULA:
(This is the XP version, but applies substantially to show
unenforceability.)
cybersource.com.au/cyber/about/comparing_the_gpl_to_eula.pdf


Where does EULA win:
Don't reverse engineer the product!
Don't try to get reimbursed for damage/loss of data.


Now, back to the original question:
http://www.pctipsbox.com/clean-install-windows-vista-with-upgrade-dvds/

Guess you think you know all about this. And How wrong you are.

--
Peter

Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others
Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged.

Three thoughts:

1. Unsupported.
What is there to support?
It works! And, once installed, it's Vista.

2. Against EULA.
Basically, you just repeated #1.
(As if anyone actually reads these things. EULAs don't stand
up
in court when pressed.)

3. Not guaranteed to work forever.
Nothing is.


--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] (e-mail address removed)
* NEW! Catch my blog ... http://msmvps.com/blogs/rgharper/
* PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
* The Website - http://rgharper.mvps.org/
* HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


Look around!
Clean install with an upgrade disk is posted everywhere.
(The MVP is technically correct. You cannot "clean" install and
activate
the upgrade product. You can "clean" install, then from within the
Windows you just installed, "upgrade and activate" the product.)
~~~
What? MS created a method to perform a Clean Install with their
upgrade
disk?
Let's see...
They allow you to install any version of Vista as trial ware for 30
days
from that disk you bought.
(We won't discuss that workaround and what is the purpose of a 30-day
trial on something you paid outrageous money on? I guess you're
supposed
to let other people borrow your disk.)
Now, having Vista (Windows) installed, even as trial ware, satisfies
the
upgrade disk for installation as an upgrade.

Could it be a bug? A slip in the process? What were they thinking?
Maybe you're having horrendous problems getting Vista to stabilize
(duh)
or questioning Vista's upgrade process at being able to remove the
garbage in the old OS before it upgrades.
(I personally recommend backups. They're faster to install,
pre-activated
and include all your apps at the same time.)
Whatever...
You bought the upgrade, use it as an upgrade.
WHAT you upgrade is on your shoulders. But, once installed and
activated,
the old is gone... whatever it was.


If your copy is an upgrade copy, you can't install it clean. It
must be
installed as an upgrade from within Windows.

--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] (e-mail address removed)
* NEW! Catch my blog ... http://msmvps.com/blogs/rgharper/
* PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
* The Website - http://rgharper.mvps.org/
* HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


Hi.
After I upgrade to Vista upgrade Home premium of my laptop Toshiba
Satellite. I noticing my hard drive lost almost 4 gig. I need to do
clean installation in order to recover my hard drive memory.I don't
care to loose any program because I don't have nothing important
yet.

1. I have 160 gig hard drive
2 .1.66 gig memory ram
3. 1.67 GHZ


Thanks
Roque.

 

[Mark]

A clean install means everything is removed prior to installation.

I never questioned the legality of your upgrade.
Based on your responses: do not perform a clean install.

Mark, Thank you, and everybody
The question is!!!!! My upgrade is illegal?? the answer is not.
The upgrade version was given by Toshiba upgrade,since my machine had
Windows XP Media installed by TOSHIBA factory and the logo VISTA CAPABLE ,
this not a trial version, this is full and legal. I already had it
installed and activated VISTA HOME PREMIUM without any problem.but I want
clean install and recover all my memory back again

My question remain.Since this upgrade is from TOSHIBA and I have two
option
1-Upgrade recommended by Win.vista home premium
2- Clean install yes.BUT !!!!!!! Now this is the big question.Do I have to
reformat the primary partition or simply click OK and GO.

I need your big favor this.I'm not expert doing this

Roque

Obviously, these examples are just the tip of the iceberg:

Resell of software:
(EULA loses)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/584117/posts

EULA is unenforceable:
Do you have more than 2 CPUs:
EULA states it may only be used with 2 processors per license.
Don't forget, most graphics cards contain CPUs also.

Do you use a third party program not sanctioned by Microsoft?
EULA states this may be unlawful. (i.e. Autopatcher)

Were you presented an opportunity to read and agree to all the EULAs that
apply prior to installation?
See Section 13. Third Party Software.
Vista contains third party software which you are being bound to with
the Vista EULA.

Do you run Vista in a virtual environment?
Only allowed with Ultimate version.

http://parallelsvirtualization.blogspot.com/2007/01/vista-is-here-so-what-does-it-mean-for.html

Is your software OEM?
You did not personally agree to the EULA, your vendor did.

Ambiguity of EULA:
(This is the XP version, but applies substantially to show
unenforceability.)
cybersource.com.au/cyber/about/comparing_the_gpl_to_eula.pdf


Where does EULA win:
Don't reverse engineer the product!
Don't try to get reimbursed for damage/loss of data.


Now, back to the original question:
http://www.pctipsbox.com/clean-install-windows-vista-with-upgrade-dvds/

Guess you think you know all about this. And How wrong you are.

--
Peter

Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others
Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged.


Three thoughts:

1. Unsupported.
What is there to support?
It works! And, once installed, it's Vista.

2. Against EULA.
Basically, you just repeated #1.
(As if anyone actually reads these things. EULAs don't
stand up
in court when pressed.)

3. Not guaranteed to work forever.
Nothing is.


--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] (e-mail address removed)
* NEW! Catch my blog ... http://msmvps.com/blogs/rgharper/
* PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
* The Website - http://rgharper.mvps.org/
* HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


Look around!
Clean install with an upgrade disk is posted everywhere.
(The MVP is technically correct. You cannot "clean" install and
activate
the upgrade product. You can "clean" install, then from within the
Windows you just installed, "upgrade and activate" the product.)
~~~
What? MS created a method to perform a Clean Install with their
upgrade
disk?
Let's see...
They allow you to install any version of Vista as trial ware for 30
days
from that disk you bought.
(We won't discuss that workaround and what is the purpose of a
30-day
trial on something you paid outrageous money on? I guess you're
supposed
to let other people borrow your disk.)
Now, having Vista (Windows) installed, even as trial ware, satisfies
the
upgrade disk for installation as an upgrade.

Could it be a bug? A slip in the process? What were they thinking?
Maybe you're having horrendous problems getting Vista to stabilize
(duh)
or questioning Vista's upgrade process at being able to remove the
garbage in the old OS before it upgrades.
(I personally recommend backups. They're faster to install,
pre-activated
and include all your apps at the same time.)
Whatever...
You bought the upgrade, use it as an upgrade.
WHAT you upgrade is on your shoulders. But, once installed and
activated,
the old is gone... whatever it was.


If your copy is an upgrade copy, you can't install it clean. It
must be
installed as an upgrade from within Windows.

--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] (e-mail address removed)
* NEW! Catch my blog ... http://msmvps.com/blogs/rgharper/
* PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
* The Website - http://rgharper.mvps.org/
* HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


Hi.
After I upgrade to Vista upgrade Home premium of my laptop Toshiba
Satellite. I noticing my hard drive lost almost 4 gig. I need to
do
clean installation in order to recover my hard drive memory.I
don't
care to loose any program because I don't have nothing important
yet.

1. I have 160 gig hard drive
2 .1.66 gig memory ram
3. 1.67 GHZ


Thanks
Roque.

 

[Antonio Roque]

Thanks.I will take your advice

A clean install means everything is removed prior to installation.

I never questioned the legality of your upgrade.
Based on your responses: do not perform a clean install.

Mark, Thank you, and everybody
The question is!!!!! My upgrade is illegal?? the answer is not.
The upgrade version was given by Toshiba upgrade,since my machine had
Windows XP Media installed by TOSHIBA factory and the logo VISTA CAPABLE
, this not a trial version, this is full and legal. I already had it
installed and activated VISTA HOME PREMIUM without any problem.but I want
clean install and recover all my memory back again

My question remain.Since this upgrade is from TOSHIBA and I have two
option
1-Upgrade recommended by Win.vista home premium
2- Clean install yes.BUT !!!!!!! Now this is the big question.Do I have
to reformat the primary partition or simply click OK and GO.

I need your big favor this.I'm not expert doing this

Roque

Obviously, these examples are just the tip of the iceberg:

Resell of software:
(EULA loses)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/584117/posts

EULA is unenforceable:
Do you have more than 2 CPUs:
EULA states it may only be used with 2 processors per license.
Don't forget, most graphics cards contain CPUs also.

Do you use a third party program not sanctioned by Microsoft?
EULA states this may be unlawful. (i.e. Autopatcher)

Were you presented an opportunity to read and agree to all the EULAs
that
apply prior to installation?
See Section 13. Third Party Software.
Vista contains third party software which you are being bound to with
the Vista EULA.

Do you run Vista in a virtual environment?
Only allowed with Ultimate version.

http://parallelsvirtualization.blogspot.com/2007/01/vista-is-here-so-what-does-it-mean-for.html

Is your software OEM?
You did not personally agree to the EULA, your vendor did.

Ambiguity of EULA:
(This is the XP version, but applies substantially to show
unenforceability.)
cybersource.com.au/cyber/about/comparing_the_gpl_to_eula.pdf


Where does EULA win:
Don't reverse engineer the product!
Don't try to get reimbursed for damage/loss of data.


Now, back to the original question:
http://www.pctipsbox.com/clean-install-windows-vista-with-upgrade-dvds/


:


Guess you think you know all about this. And How wrong you are.

--
Peter

Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others
Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged.


Three thoughts:

1. Unsupported.
What is there to support?
It works! And, once installed, it's Vista.

2. Against EULA.
Basically, you just repeated #1.
(As if anyone actually reads these things. EULAs don't
stand up
in court when pressed.)

3. Not guaranteed to work forever.
Nothing is.


--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] (e-mail address removed)
* NEW! Catch my blog ... http://msmvps.com/blogs/rgharper/
* PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
* The Website - http://rgharper.mvps.org/
* HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


Look around!
Clean install with an upgrade disk is posted everywhere.
(The MVP is technically correct. You cannot "clean" install and
activate
the upgrade product. You can "clean" install, then from within the
Windows you just installed, "upgrade and activate" the product.)
~~~
What? MS created a method to perform a Clean Install with their
upgrade
disk?
Let's see...
They allow you to install any version of Vista as trial ware for 30
days
from that disk you bought.
(We won't discuss that workaround and what is the purpose of a
30-day
trial on something you paid outrageous money on? I guess you're
supposed
to let other people borrow your disk.)
Now, having Vista (Windows) installed, even as trial ware,
satisfies the
upgrade disk for installation as an upgrade.

Could it be a bug? A slip in the process? What were they thinking?
Maybe you're having horrendous problems getting Vista to stabilize
(duh)
or questioning Vista's upgrade process at being able to remove the
garbage in the old OS before it upgrades.
(I personally recommend backups. They're faster to install,
pre-activated
and include all your apps at the same time.)
Whatever...
You bought the upgrade, use it as an upgrade.
WHAT you upgrade is on your shoulders. But, once installed and
activated,
the old is gone... whatever it was.


If your copy is an upgrade copy, you can't install it clean. It
must be
installed as an upgrade from within Windows.

--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] (e-mail address removed)
* NEW! Catch my blog ... http://msmvps.com/blogs/rgharper/
* PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
* The Website - http://rgharper.mvps.org/
* HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


Hi.
After I upgrade to Vista upgrade Home premium of my laptop
Toshiba
Satellite. I noticing my hard drive lost almost 4 gig. I need to
do
clean installation in order to recover my hard drive memory.I
don't
care to loose any program because I don't have nothing important
yet.

1. I have 160 gig hard drive
2 .1.66 gig memory ram
3. 1.67 GHZ


Thanks
Roque.