Chipmaker Elpida Admits Price Fixing

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hackbox.info said:
is this news? Intel is price fixing all the time
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Let me guess, this was already debated and detailed in comp.arch at
least six months ago? ;-)

Yousuf Khan
 
Let me guess, this was already debated and detailed in comp.arch at
least six months ago? ;-)
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I have no idea, I dont read comp.arch.*
Every oligopoly/monopoly chip manufacturer is price fixing, like
NVidia/Intel/ATI/AMD and many others. How else would you call selling
Semprons, NForce SLI chips or Celerons?
 
hackbox.info said:
Every oligopoly/monopoly chip manufacturer is price fixing, like
NVidia/Intel/ATI/AMD and many others. How else would you call selling
Semprons, NForce SLI chips or Celerons?
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Price fixing implies an agreements between business competitors.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_fixing

Do you think ATI and NVIDIA discuss the price of GPUs together?
 
Price fixing implies an agreements between business competitors.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_fixing

Do you think ATI and NVIDIA discuss the price of GPUs together?
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mm yes, there is no other explanation to absence of price war, top of the
line ATI/NVidia cards are $649 by a coincidence?
I suspect that they just agreed to sell low end cards ~$100, top models at
$649, and to not undercut prices.
 
hackbox.info said:
mm yes, there is no other explanation to absence of price war,
top of the line ATI/NVidia cards are $649 by a coincidence?
I suspect that they just agreed to sell low end cards ~$100,
top models at $649, and to not undercut prices.
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Hardly necessary. Common pricing is also the hallmark of
an efficient and competitive market. They both see the same
demand curves.

Price wars are expensive for the participants, and not required
for efficient markets or under US antitrust law. In fact,
the wrong price war can lead to charges of predatory pricing.

You probably also think that the oil companies are ripping you
off, and ought to be selling gasoline at $1/USgal. Nevermind
that internationally-traded crude oil is $1.55/gal and gasoline
on the NY exchange is $1.70/gal, before transportation,
state taxes, additives and retailing costs.

-- Robert
 
hackbox.info said:
mm yes, there is no other explanation to absence of price war, top of the
line ATI/NVidia cards are $649 by a coincidence?
I suspect that they just agreed to sell low end cards ~$100, top models at
$649, and to not undercut prices.
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First off, there is no such thing as a "top of the line NVIDIA cards"
since NVIDIA only sells the GPU and a reference design.

e.g. Newegg.com sells several 7800GTX-based 256MB graphics cards from
MSI, eVGA, Albatron, XFX, ASUS, BIOSTAR, and BFG, with prices ranging
from $450 to $510.

As far as the low-end is concerned, one can find 6200TC-based graphics
cards for $40-$50.

It's hard to argue with somebody who gets all their facts wrong...
 
First off, there is no such thing as a "top of the line NVIDIA cards"
since NVIDIA only sells the GPU and a reference design.
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but there is something like "recommended retail price", and both companies
set those identical - $649 for 7800 GTX/X1900 XTX
As far as the low-end is concerned, one can find 6200TC-based graphics
cards for $40-$50.
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I am talking last generation (7300)
 
I have no idea, I dont read comp.arch.*
Every oligopoly/monopoly chip manufacturer is price fixing, like
NVidia/Intel/ATI/AMD and many others. How else would you call selling
Semprons, NForce SLI chips or Celerons?
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DO you have a clue what "price-fixing" means? Sheesh!
 
DO you have a clue what "price-fixing" means? Sheesh!
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no, but this is internet, right?
Ok I know now, but this is as misleading as the term "conspiracy" in US
legal system (means something diametrically different in Europe).
 
hackbox.info said:
but there is something like "recommended retail price", and both
companies set those identical - $649 for 7800 GTX/X1900 XTX
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Again, this is incorrect. NVIDIA did suggest $650 when it *announced*
the 7800GTX, but the MSRP was adjusted to $600 on launch.

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=24550

Moreover, what matters to consumers is the actual price, not the MSRP.
Today, prices for 7800GTX-based cards range from $450 to $510.
I am talking last generation (7300)
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How can you discuss the price of a GPU that is not even available
in the USA yet?

http://anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2674

(At this point, I imagine I have been trolled.)
 
Where's George now? Perhaps he should be getting out a napkin and
dinnerware....crows on the menu : )
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<sigh> I already explained it all to you - the crow is all yours. I'm told
it's delicious... bon appetit.
 
(At this point, I imagine I have been trolled.)
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not exactly, I just misunderstood the term 'price fixing'. I thought it
was selling same things with different price to different customers. The
rest was just a lame excuse to argument.
 
hackbox.info said:
not exactly, I just misunderstood the term 'price fixing'.
I thought it was selling same things with different price
to different customers.
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No, that's actually legal and it's called "market segmentation".
Customers don't much like it.

"Price fixing" is an agreement between competitors to fix prices
or otherwise limit competition. Illegal.

-- Robert
 
no, but this is internet, right?
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Well, it's the usenet, but some knowledge of search engines is good.
Ok I know now, but this is as misleading as the term "conspiracy" in US
legal system (means something diametrically different in Europe).
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What's misleading about "conspiracy"? It takes two to tango, or
price-fix. That does raise the question... What is "conspiracy to price
fix"? ;-)
 
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