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Donna riser
Some great info for those needing to know if FREEWARE is actually free.
D
DC
Donna said:
How stupid *are* you?
B
Blinky the Shark
msd13 said:
Donna, did you know that most servers don't honor cancels, any more?
M
Max Quordlepleen
I couldn't get over how quickly that page loaded - in literally no time
at all. The minimalist approach is a good one - no popups, no banners,
no text, no pictures, no URL.
M
msd13
Off topic, *should* have been posted to verizon.discussion-general ,
Blinkys obnoxious post forwarded to (e-mail address removed) (I suggest in
future you do your research before throwing accusations about so
freely. See: http://members.verizon.net/~vze35w7d/usenet.htm ... "Do
not personally attack or harass other newsgroup participants. Keep
post on topic, if necessary move to another group. Please note,
Verizon does not monitor any unsupported Verizon newsgroups, but
reserves the right to do so at *any time*. Verizon reserves the
*right* to change/amend these guidelines, *anytime* *without prior
notice*."
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Blinky the Shark
msd13 said:
Attack and harrass? All I did was let her know that most servers don't
honor cancels. You seem to have an odd definition of "attack".
My answer about cancellations was no more off topic than your post about
cancels. They just gave different information about cancels. Yours
said OE will do them, and mine said that they probably wont be answered
anyway.
I don't understand your beef.
M
Mike Ring
Blinky:-
me:-
"????????"
Mike R
me:-
"????????"
Mike R
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Blinky the Shark
Yeah, it seems pretty nonsensical, doesn't it?
M
msd13
On 30 Jun 2003 20:23:16 GMT, Blinky the Shark <[email protected]>
wrote:
And you have an odd definition of "honour".
There wasn't one, it just seemed funny at the time. Sorry.
wrote:
And you have an odd definition of "honour".
There wasn't one, it just seemed funny at the time. Sorry.
M
msd13
Theres a time and a place for things making sense, please keep it to
the appropriate thread.
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Blinky the Shark
msd13 said:
Most servers don't *process* cancels; i.e., they don't remove the post;
i.e., the cancelation does not take place.
That's exactly what I meant and said: they don't *honor* the
*cancelation message* (by *acting* upon it). No different than if a
store won't *honor* a discount coupon from another store; i.e., you
can't cash in that coupon there.
If that still doesn't make sense, you can look up "honor". Many words
have more than one definition.
And for that, you send a complaint to Verizon? I think you have an odd
definition of "proportion". Especially when this was all about you not
knowing a common sense of the word "honor", and/or how that part of
Usenet happens to work.
Thanks for the apology. Will you be sending a retraction of your
complaint to Verizon?
M
msd13
In this case the store would be chaste and the news server would be
unchaste, it's a world of difference.
I know, I'm beginning to regret this now lets hope this thread ends
soon.
Ha ha. Um...
It was cancelled before it was sent.
As you might know.
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Blinky the Shark
msd13 said:
Chaste? Unchaste?
Requests ("please honor this coupon" and "please cancel this post") can
be honored (accepted) or not honored (denied). That's all there is to
thia.
Please indicate what planet you're posting from.
It was cancelled before it was sent.
Good. And no, I wouldn't know, as a matter of fact.
But the bottom line is: you lied. Yes, we do have different ideas of
"honor", after all.
M
msd13
Well you know my news server if you want to make a complaint, it's a
pity you didn't recognise your own, though.
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Blinky the Shark
msd13 said:
That means, for the reading comprehension impaired, that "I would not
know if you did or did not send your bogus complaint to Verizon."
I don't complain about people who merely lie and/or can't seem to read for
comprehension. The net is too highly populated with them.
I didn't recognize my own *what*? What are you talking about?
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Anne
First it sounded something like
Was that necessary? She posted the link *one* minute later. In other
words: she made a mistake. Remarks like yours poison this group.
but what DC said:
Was that necessary? She posted the link *one* minute later. In other
words: she made a mistake. Remarks like yours poison this group.
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msd13
Evidentlley you recognised it's bogosity and still felt it worthwhile
to take the time to question my own inability to recognise a
proportionate response to a problem.
I think I should clarify what has happened here as you may have become
confused along the way, which is nothing to be ashamed about.
Your own news server, like I say you seem to have lost track ?
1) Donna posts twice in two separate threads, one has the description
of a site the other one has the URL. Quickly it is implied that Donna
is stupid by way of questioning Donna's own ability to recognise her
own intelligence or lack of, this is clearly unfair as it can be
applied as much to the questioner as the questioned who took no
further steps to remedy the situation. As such I took a proportionate
response in posting the URL in the initial thread entitled "check out
this site" and pointed out that the software she was using has the
inbuilt facility to cancel newsgroup postings, thus implying the
inherent *possibility* of such a feature being used by Donna, any
mention of the effectiveness of such a feature was at this point
vague, and with it's vagueness it still contained the possibility of
usefulness.
2) Someone called "Blinky" removes all trace of instructions on
potentially correct use of particular e-mail and newsgroup client,
from now on this will be refered to as Outlook Express. With some
research... it can be found that, this poster has recently started
using an operating system other than windows, and in all likleyhood
does not use the Outlook Express client on a regular basis. I leave it
to our reader to decide if this could have been in any way related to
excess clipping of reasonable and mutual technical support among
posters in this newsgroup be they me or anyone else.
3) The next part is important and is the whole crux or (and if you can
excuse the pun) "axis of evil" of the whole thing. Blinky by stealth
implies a number of things at this point which is obvious by common
sense, the actual fact that proof of the implication is not easy he
relies upon and flaunts, imho, and due to the context of his reply
it's fair to assume the motivation. What appears an innocent enough
assertion "Donna, you are aware that most news servers do not honor
cancel requests, anymore ?" due to it's context has other than it's
literal translation implied by both it's style of writing and again
the context in which it was made. The assumtion that only the
immediate literal interpretation can be valid is what allows for the
"characteristic ambiguous smugness of this post". It is not for me to
question Blinky's technical expertise but notice here how he has also
covered his tracks by the use of the word "most", he has not actually
taken the time to look up Donna's news server and also he has not
expressed any interest in resolving the issue, this ambiguity of
technical motive suggests by association.
4) My response to Blinky's post was intentionally satirical in order
for him not to disrupt newsgroup postings. It's unfortunate in my view
that I was possibly the only one to have noticed it's satirical
content given that I had taken the time both to over emphasise trivial
points and apply obviously innapropriate references. In my culture
where a derived meaning is found to be in contradiction to evidently
commonly accepted truths it is a socially acceptable form of sarcasm
so long as other means such as self depreciation, are kept intact,
together with a little intelligence this is sometimes known as satire.
I think it may be the fact that intelligence is such a subjective
phenomena which allows for an added sense of irony which can in turn
heighten the satirical experience at times when it is recognised.
5) The posts that followed did little to make any sense of what I
thought was fairly obvious which is quite depressing. I suspect that
Blinky's pride or arrogance may actually be the engine of his
insistence to keep posting to a thread which I was ready to give up on
a long time ago. I'll just have to hope that the moderators of this
group have enough patience and clarity of mind to be both kind and
pragmatic where I have obviously failed to be. I have not long
returned to this group after a long break and consider that my best
chances in life are perhaps not to be posting here anymore. With that
I end this post, and hope that it might someday make things clearer.
D
Dewey Edwards
On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 16:10:02 +0100, msd13
[WARNING: msd13 -- I snip]
I'm sure she thanks you for your response msd. Google her. Definite
newbie. But she learned. Her latest post (in a new NG) included the
EXACT SAME URL without a hitch (all Google hits were this URL, well
eventually).
Called WISDOM.
[WARNING: msd13 -- I snip]
On 1 Jul 2003 05:18:03 GMT, Blinky the Shark <[email protected]>
wrote:[bts]That means, for the reading comprehension impaired, that "I would not[bts]Will you be sending a retraction of your
[bts]complaint to Verizon?
[msd] It was cancelled before it was sent.
[bts]know if you did or did not send your bogus complaint to Verizon."
[bts]I don't complain about people who merely lie and/or can't seem to read for
[bts]comprehension. The net is too highly populated with them.
[bts]I didn't recognize my own *what*? What are you talking about?
I'm sure she thanks you for your response msd. Google her. Definite
newbie. But she learned. Her latest post (in a new NG) included the
EXACT SAME URL without a hitch (all Google hits were this URL, well
eventually).
Called WISDOM.
D
DC
Anne said:
When spammers can't even remember to post the URL, yeah, I guess I consider
that pretty dumb.
Yep. I even hold spammers to high standards. }:O)
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msd13
However the site is about not falling victim to spyware and
advertising technologies and all the rest of it. And spam usually
means when someone is marketing for personal gain - ? It's hard to see
what the personal gain was, other than bringing people to a well
designed site with some pretty good facts for internet newbies on
there. How come you consider it as spam ?