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Btfdffemt
Capacitors on a IMPERIAL GLA have expanded and causing problems????????
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Carey Frisch [MVP]
Abnormalities with a motherboard are best resolved
by replacing the motherboard with a new one.
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by replacing the motherboard with a new one.
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Kerry Brown
Btfdffemt said:Capacitors on a IMPERIAL GLA have expanded and causing
problems????????
This is a common problem with many brands of motherboards. If you have the
right equipment and skills you can replace the capacitors. Very few people
have the right equipment and skills. Replace the motherboard. Most brands
will warranty it if within the warranty period.
Kerry
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Beemer Biker
Kerry Brown said:This is a common problem with many brands of motherboards. If you have the
right equipment and skills you can replace the capacitors. Very few people
have the right equipment and skills. Replace the motherboard. Most brands
will warranty it if within the warranty period.
Kerry
Frequently the capacitors are in parallel with others and you can snip off
the bad ones. There are class action lawsuites over leaky capacitors. I
know that ABIT has/had a return program and you can google for others
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=leaky+cap+class+action
I had a cap blow up on an ASUS motherboard. It was still under warranty so
I returned it, not bothering to check to see if it still worked. They sent
it back with a note they could not find anything wrong. ASUS seems to use
more caps than are absolutely required so you can get by with a couple
missing.
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Leythos
Frequently the capacitors are in parallel with others and you can snip off
the bad ones. There are class action lawsuites over leaky capacitors. I
know that ABIT has/had a return program and you can google for others
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=leaky+cap+class+action
I had a cap blow up on an ASUS motherboard. It was still under warranty so
I returned it, not bothering to check to see if it still worked. They sent
it back with a note they could not find anything wrong. ASUS seems to use
more caps than are absolutely required so you can get by with a couple
missing.
While they don't "use more than required" it's based on ripple rejection
and the load will change how much you need. If you have a clean PSU then
you might not need as much, a dirty PSU and you might need more.
The problem with CAP's expanding has been around for a long time and is
not limited to Motherboards - I have (had) 3 linksys routers that
suffered from the same problem.
Replacing the CAP's on a multi-layer board is best left to trained
people with soldering stations designed for multilayer boards.
Clipping the bad cap off the board, even if the board still works, is
asking for intermittent problems at some point.
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cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user)
On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 10:40:51 -0600, "Carey Frisch [MVP]"
Perhaps not, in this case...
http://cquirke.mvps.org/badcaps.htm
Yes, replacing the mobo is the best (most certain) way to fix the
problem, though two problems flow from this:
1) If exactly the same mobo, same problem later
2) If different mobo, lots of large problems right now
On (2), the problems are of two types:
a) Hardware re-use
A mobo that is even a year old (younger, should be
warranty-replaceable) may use processors, RAM, and even power supply
that don't work with new motherboards. And if it's a laptopor
proprietary "brand" PC, it gets a LOT worse.
b) OS uselessness and bloody-mindedness
The "uselessnesss" is that Plug-n-Play is likely to tie itself up in
knots trying to adapt the driver set to the new motherboard. PnP
falls short of the concept by usually failing when an entire
motherboard is replaced, requiring a "repair install" of the OS that
brings its own problems (new user accounts, lost patches and settings)
The "bloody-mindedness" is unique to XP-era OS and software such as MS
Office that will hatch a denial-of-service payload when they encounter
"too many" hardware changes. With a big-brand system, that can be a
change to any other motherboard/BIOS brand. With generic systems,
that will be changing more than 4 out of 10 monitored items, which is
very easy to do. Other soware may have its own "product activation"
change thresholds, typically under-documented (after all, the more
users know about malware, the better they can defend against it)
For these reasons, if confronted by bad caps on a mobo that is out of
warranty, I'd prepare for the worst (i.e. a "death on the table" that
requires mobo or possibly system replacement) and then I'd submit the
motherboard to repair, i.e. having the capacitors replaced.
Abnormalities with a motherboard are best resolved
by replacing the motherboard with a new one.
Perhaps not, in this case...
http://cquirke.mvps.org/badcaps.htm
Yes, replacing the mobo is the best (most certain) way to fix the
problem, though two problems flow from this:
1) If exactly the same mobo, same problem later
2) If different mobo, lots of large problems right now
On (2), the problems are of two types:
a) Hardware re-use
A mobo that is even a year old (younger, should be
warranty-replaceable) may use processors, RAM, and even power supply
that don't work with new motherboards. And if it's a laptopor
proprietary "brand" PC, it gets a LOT worse.
b) OS uselessness and bloody-mindedness
The "uselessnesss" is that Plug-n-Play is likely to tie itself up in
knots trying to adapt the driver set to the new motherboard. PnP
falls short of the concept by usually failing when an entire
motherboard is replaced, requiring a "repair install" of the OS that
brings its own problems (new user accounts, lost patches and settings)
The "bloody-mindedness" is unique to XP-era OS and software such as MS
Office that will hatch a denial-of-service payload when they encounter
"too many" hardware changes. With a big-brand system, that can be a
change to any other motherboard/BIOS brand. With generic systems,
that will be changing more than 4 out of 10 monitored items, which is
very easy to do. Other soware may have its own "product activation"
change thresholds, typically under-documented (after all, the more
users know about malware, the better they can defend against it)
For these reasons, if confronted by bad caps on a mobo that is out of
warranty, I'd prepare for the worst (i.e. a "death on the table" that
requires mobo or possibly system replacement) and then I'd submit the
motherboard to repair, i.e. having the capacitors replaced.
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Leythos
On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 10:40:51 -0600, "Carey Frisch [MVP]"
Perhaps not, in this case...
http://cquirke.mvps.org/badcaps.htm
Yes, replacing the mobo is the best (most certain) way to fix the
problem, though two problems flow from this:
1) If exactly the same mobo, same problem later
Not always true - as most people have more than a year of use before it
shows it's ugly expanding head, the replacement motherboard is going to
(most times) be a different lot/batch and that means that they could
already be using different CAP's on the board. If the replacement board
is just as old, then yes, it's very likely that you'll run into the same
problem. In many cases, it took about a year for this to be fully
detected and vendors to start using a different vendors caps.