Can't see very simple HTML pages with Norton Internet Security!!!!!

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Norton! What a pain in the butt!!!

I've just spent a few days trying to do something really simple, and
I'm furious!!!!

I took some pictures on the weekend, and downloaded Web Picture
Creator 1.8.
Let's put them on my new domain I thought. Yeah right.

Web Picture Creator 1.8 worked easily enough. After I cleared out
some space.
(turned that my hard drive was bad, and that wasted enough hours!)

Then I uploaded everything to my domain. The web page loaded.
But I can't see the pictures.

I call the ISP. They can see the pictures. Hmm!

The Norton logs say:


Content Blocked:

Date Time: 4/3/2007 2:38:55 PM
User:
Action: Blocked
Type: Ad
URL: http://www.?domain?.com/?directory?/index.html
Data: IMG src="thumbnails/thumb_DSC_0973.JPG" (Reason: width=120
height=80)

I call Norton and finally get someone in India.


Turn off ad blocking, and popup blocking. It works.
So, Norton is the culprit.


Norton Internet Security
Status and settings,
Privacy control
Configure
Advanced
Ad blocking


Spend about 2 hours with Norton on the phone.
The guy's solution: reinstall!

I say No way. Send the expert.



Eventually get a call back later from Symantec. The brains this
time.


We install TeamView. From: http://www.dyngate.com/licensing/
It allows him to see my machine.

He checks the webpage at:

http://validator.w3.org/


Below are the results of attempting to parse this document with an
SGML parser.

Error Line 15 column 162: required attribute "ALT" not specified.
....DSC_0961.JPG" width="120" height="80"></a></div></td>The attribute
given above is required for an element that you've used, but you have
omitted it. For instance, in most HTML and XHTML document types the
"type" attribute is required on the "script" element and the "alt"
attribute is required for the "img" element.

Typical values for type are type="text/css" for <style> and type="text/
javascript" for <script>.


It says that the problem is that the website is missing the > sign
after: height="80"

Norton interprets this as a potential problem.


I change the HTML To:

<tr>
<td valign="top" width="120"><div align="center"><a href="photos/
DSC_0961.html"><img class="thumb" src="thumbnails/thumb_DSC_0961.JPG"
width="120" height="80" alt="picture" > </a></div></td>
<td valign="top" width="120"><div align="center"><a href="photos/
DSC_0962.html"><img class="thumb" src="thumbnails/thumb_DSC_0962.JPG"
width="120" height="80" alt="picture" > </a></div></td>



But, I still have problems!!!! I still can't see the images.

But the guy at my ISP can. And my friends can.



But if that's not enough, get this!!!!

Now, after I refresh the webpage, major parts of the HTML don't even
come back in the browser!!!



<tr>

<td valign="top" width="120"><div align="center"><a href="photos/
DSC_0961.html"> </a></div></td>
<td valign="top" width="120"><div align="center"><a href="photos/
DSC_0962.html"> </a></div></td>


The whole IMG tag is now missing!!!!
The guy at my ISP can see it.
But it does not get through the Norton on my machine!


I can understand some kinds of strange code. But this is just pure
very simple HTML code. No java, javascript, asp, etc.


Can you believe it?????


I've spent at least 5 hours trying to deal with this!!!!


What is a better security system than Norton????
 
Fup: comp.security.firewalls

Norton! What a pain in the butt!!!
Click to expand...

Took a while to find out that... Nothing really unusual about your problems.
What is a better security system than Norton????
Click to expand...

You! No software is better than you. Any other security software will
have the same issues sooner or later. It is inherent in the way they are
designed and because it is still dumb software and nothing else.

Gerald
 
Fup: comp.security.firewalls



Took a while to find out that... Nothing really unusual about your problems.


You! No software is better than you.
Click to expand...

Woah, woah, woah...hold up there. That ONLY works if the user is
INTELLIGENT, if the user is an IDIOT...then no, stick with Norton. It
might be an unbudging bitch of a cyber nanny, but if yer a complete
****up then it'll keep you out of trouble and that's just what some
users need.

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the **** up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty ****ing high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )
 
Norton! What a pain in the butt!!!

I've just spent a few days trying to do something really simple, and
I'm furious!!!!

I took some pictures on the weekend, and downloaded Web Picture
Creator 1.8.
Let's put them on my new domain I thought. Yeah right.

Web Picture Creator 1.8 worked easily enough. After I cleared out
some space.
(turned that my hard drive was bad, and that wasted enough hours!)

Then I uploaded everything to my domain. The web page loaded.
But I can't see the pictures.

I call the ISP. They can see the pictures. Hmm!

The Norton logs say:


Content Blocked:

Date Time: 4/3/2007 2:38:55 PM
User:
Action: Blocked
Type: Ad
URL: http://www.?domain?.com/?directory?/index.html
Data: IMG src="thumbnails/thumb_DSC_0973.JPG" (Reason: width=120
height=80)
Click to expand...

Well that's the answer right there...I guess you must just be an
idiot. I mean, can't you read? Norton is obviously setup to block
images of a specific size, a size which is often used by spam
advertisements. Simply crop your images by a pixel or two, that
should solve the problem. Or just look through the settings in
Norton, there's probably something there that lets you get real
specific about the type of ad and popup blocking that it does.

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the **** up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty ****ing high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )
 
Woah, woah, woah...hold up there. That ONLY works if the user is
INTELLIGENT, if the user is an IDIOT...then no, stick with Norton.
Click to expand...

If the user is an idiot, that is what needs fixing.
It might be an unbudging bitch of a cyber nanny, but if yer a complete
****up then it'll keep you out of trouble
Click to expand...

or add to them
and that's just what some users need.
Click to expand...

Users need to know what they are doing.
 
If the user is an idiot, that is what needs fixing.


or add to them


Users need to know what they are doing.
Click to expand...

But a lot of users simply cannot be educated. You know there's a
reason they stopped referring to retards as "trainables"...and it
wasn't because it wasn't PC, it's because IT SIMPLY WASN'T TRUE. o_O

You can't fix stupid.

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the **** up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty ****ing high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )
 
Norton! What a pain in the butt!!!

I've just spent a few days trying to do something really simple, and
I'm furious!!!!

I took some pictures on the weekend, and downloaded Web Picture
Creator 1.8.
Let's put them on my new domain I thought. Yeah right.

Web Picture Creator 1.8 worked easily enough. After I cleared out
some space.
(turned that my hard drive was bad, and that wasted enough hours!)

Then I uploaded everything to my domain. The web page loaded.
But I can't see the pictures.

I call the ISP. They can see the pictures. Hmm!

The Norton logs say:


Content Blocked:

Date Time: 4/3/2007 2:38:55 PM
User:
Action: Blocked
Type: Ad
URL: http://www.?domain?.com/?directory?/index.html
Data: IMG src="thumbnails/thumb_DSC_0973.JPG" (Reason: width=120
height=80)

I call Norton and finally get someone in India.


Turn off ad blocking, and popup blocking. It works.
So, Norton is the culprit.


Norton Internet Security
Status and settings,
Privacy control
Configure
Advanced
Ad blocking


Spend about 2 hours with Norton on the phone.
The guy's solution: reinstall!

I say No way. Send the expert.



Eventually get a call back later from Symantec. The brains this
time.


We install TeamView. From: http://www.dyngate.com/licensing/
It allows him to see my machine.

He checks the webpage at:

http://validator.w3.org/


Below are the results of attempting to parse this document with an
SGML parser.

Error Line 15 column 162: required attribute "ALT" not specified.
...DSC_0961.JPG" width="120" height="80"></a></div></td>The attribute
given above is required for an element that you've used, but you have
omitted it. For instance, in most HTML and XHTML document types the
"type" attribute is required on the "script" element and the "alt"
attribute is required for the "img" element.

Typical values for type are type="text/css" for <style> and type="text/
javascript" for <script>.


It says that the problem is that the website is missing the > sign
after: height="80"

Norton interprets this as a potential problem.


I change the HTML To:

<tr>
<td valign="top" width="120"><div align="center"><a href="photos/
DSC_0961.html"><img class="thumb" src="thumbnails/thumb_DSC_0961.JPG"
width="120" height="80" alt="picture" > </a></div></td>
<td valign="top" width="120"><div align="center"><a href="photos/
DSC_0962.html"><img class="thumb" src="thumbnails/thumb_DSC_0962.JPG"
width="120" height="80" alt="picture" > </a></div></td>



But, I still have problems!!!! I still can't see the images.

But the guy at my ISP can. And my friends can.



But if that's not enough, get this!!!!

Now, after I refresh the webpage, major parts of the HTML don't even
come back in the browser!!!



<tr>

<td valign="top" width="120"><div align="center"><a href="photos/
DSC_0961.html"> </a></div></td>
<td valign="top" width="120"><div align="center"><a href="photos/
DSC_0962.html"> </a></div></td>


The whole IMG tag is now missing!!!!
The guy at my ISP can see it.
But it does not get through the Norton on my machine!


I can understand some kinds of strange code. But this is just pure
very simple HTML code. No java, javascript, asp, etc.


Can you believe it?????


I've spent at least 5 hours trying to deal with this!!!!


What is a better security system than Norton????
Click to expand...

I'd suggest you try a Linux Live CD - Knoppix is the standard by which
others are measured. I've been running Linux on four home computers for
five years online 24/7/365 via a broadband connection. During that time we
have had zero malware infestations. I do not bother with anything like
norton - I simply use the system defaults, and everything works. I cannot
understand why MS people keep beating themselves up like this. Linux will
also come with GIMP image manipulation program, OpenOffice suite, and
about 25000 other free programs. The only shortcoming I've found so far:
there does not seem to be a decent simple program for printing greeting
cards - so I run an MS one on Linux under WINE.
 
Then you can't protect stupid either.
Click to expand...

Sure you can...well, or rather you can protect stupid from itself...to
a degree. That's not FIXING the stupid, that's just preventing it
from SPREADING. ^_^

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the **** up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty ****ing high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )
 
I'd suggest you try a Linux Live CD - Knoppix is the standard by which
others are measured. I've been running Linux on four home computers for
five years online 24/7/365 via a broadband connection. During that time we
have had zero malware infestations. I do not bother with anything like
norton - I simply use the system defaults, and everything works. I cannot
understand why MS people keep beating themselves up like this. Linux will
also come with GIMP image manipulation program, OpenOffice suite, and
about 25000 other free programs. The only shortcoming I've found so far:
there does not seem to be a decent simple program for printing greeting
cards - so I run an MS one on Linux under WINE.
Click to expand...

Linux is great for a LOT of things...a desktop environment REALLY
isn't one of them though. If you're THAT ****ing stupid...go get a
Mac, stay the **** away from Linux and quit infesting it with your
stupid.

Or, if you'd like trip and look stupid, by all means, attempt to
defend your failing position of Linux as a desktop environment...I'll
very much enjoy ripping it to pieces... `, )

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the **** up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty ****ing high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )
 
Linux is great for a LOT of things...a desktop environment REALLY
isn't one of them though. If you're THAT ****ing stupid...go get a
Mac, stay the **** away from Linux and quit infesting it with your
stupid.
Click to expand...

I guess I must be that stupid. I've been using the Linux desktops -
specifically Gnome and KDE on various distributions for about seven years
now. I've also installed eight Linux internet computers at the local
library which have run virtually without OS maintenance (and more
importantly without patron complaint) for over two years now.
Or, if you'd like trip and look stupid, by all means, attempt to
defend your failing position of Linux as a desktop environment...I'll
very much enjoy ripping it to pieces... `, )
Click to expand...

Perhaps you'd like to give me some specific shortcomings you've found with
Linux as a desktop environment - I've already spelled out the one that
I've found.
 
I guess I must be that stupid. I've been using the Linux desktops -
specifically Gnome and KDE on various distributions for about seven years
now. I've also installed eight Linux internet computers at the local
library which have run virtually without OS maintenance (and more
importantly without patron complaint) for over two years now.
Click to expand...
Perhaps you'd like to give me some specific shortcomings you've found with
Linux as a desktop environment - I've already spelled out the one that
I've found.
Click to expand...

1. teh driver support is SHIT, most times, even if something DOES
work...yeah...it's not even coming anywhere the **** remotely close to
actually making use of the hardware's full potential.

2. obviously gaming is limited. Wine will work with VERY simplistic
applications, but you start tryin to use it on high end
stuff...mmm...dunno work so good.

3. there's a LOT of specialized Windows software that simply will not
work on Linux and often there is either no alternative or if there is
an alternative it's not as good as the Windows one.

4. development platforms and distribution formats like Flash, most
often Linux is the LAST os they even consider since it's hardly in use
by anybody as a desktop environment. That means if you're using
Windows you ALWAYS get first view of any new and emerging tech, where
as with Linux you often have to wait a year or two before they'll even
bother to port it. I mean just look at how long it took them to get
Flash 9 for Linux...hell it was so far behind they SKIPPED an entire
version. So for almost two years Windows and Mac users had exclusive
access to Flash 8 and later Flash 9 content before they FINALLY got it
on Linux (and it's still only a beta...although so far it's worked
with everything I've thrown at it).

Really those four things are what make Linux such an inferior desktop
operating system...and they won't go away...EVER. Linux is great for
a LOT of things, like symmetric multi-processing and running a web
server (which is what I use it for), but a desktop environment for
surfing the web and shit...man that's just ****in stupid. I mean that
is just ball up, Jesus killing, child molesting retarded...it really
is...ESPECIALLY if your only reason is that you're too gawd damn
****in retarded to figure out how to avoid getting infected with
Malware. There are *SO* many different options and ways of preventing
Malware infections on Windows...yeah...I can't see as how it would
EVER reach a point where you would need to resort to Linux (except out
of sheer ****ing stupidity). Seriously, installing Deep Freeze is a
**** of a lot better than retarding back to such a deficient form of
desktop environment like Linux. That's like cutting off your nose to
try and spite your face. I mean, did you even BOTHER looking for
solutions to your Malware problem on Windows or did you just retard
directly to Linux?

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
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Hatter Quotes
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"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the **** up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty ****ing high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )
 
1. teh driver support is SHIT, most times, even if something DOES
work...yeah...it's not even coming anywhere the **** remotely close to
actually making use of the hardware's full potential.
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I not familiar with the 'teh driver', but I find that things work for me.
Epson photo printer, Brother laser printer, Epson scanner . . . Generally
I find that they work at least as well as MS and certainly better than
with vista.
2. obviously gaming is limited. Wine will work with VERY simplistic
applications, but you start tryin to use it on high end
stuff...mmm...dunno work so good.
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Can't comment on that. I don't spend much time playing games on Linux.
Figured that would be a good excuse for a game console if I ever much got
into it. BTW - my daughter (B.S. with double major in math and computer
science) does her games on game consoles.
3. there's a LOT of specialized Windows software that simply will not
work on Linux and often there is either no alternative or if there is
an alternative it's not as good as the Windows one.
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There might be a few. The only thing I've not been able to find that I
looked for was a simple program to print greeting cards. So we run that on
Linux via WINE.
4. development platforms and distribution formats like Flash, most
often Linux is the LAST os they even consider since it's hardly in use
by anybody as a desktop environment. That means if you're using
Windows you ALWAYS get first view of any new and emerging tech, where
as with Linux you often have to wait a year or two before they'll even
bother to port it. I mean just look at how long it took them to get
Flash 9 for Linux...hell it was so far behind they SKIPPED an entire
version. So for almost two years Windows and Mac users had exclusive
access to Flash 8 and later Flash 9 content before they FINALLY got it
on Linux (and it's still only a beta...although so far it's worked
with everything I've thrown at it).
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Not much to comment on there either. I've always figured that content was
much more important than glitz.
Really those four things are what make Linux such an inferior desktop
operating system...and they won't go away...EVER. Linux is great for
a LOT of things, like symmetric multi-processing and running a web
server (which is what I use it for), but a desktop environment for
surfing the web and shit...man that's just ****in stupid. I mean that
is just ball up, Jesus killing, child molesting retarded...it really
is...ESPECIALLY if your only reason is that you're too gawd damn
****in retarded to figure out how to avoid getting infected with
Malware. There are *SO* many different options and ways of preventing
Malware infections on Windows...yeah...I can't see as how it would
EVER reach a point where you would need to resort to Linux (except out
of sheer ****ing stupidity). Seriously, installing Deep Freeze is a
**** of a lot better than retarding back to such a deficient form of
desktop environment like Linux. That's like cutting off your nose to
try and spite your face. I mean, did you even BOTHER looking for
solutions to your Malware problem on Windows or did you just retard
directly to Linux?
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The point about malware is: why should I have to keep expending resources
just because the base OS is so riddled with holes? I've got a lot better
things to do with my time and money.

I'll reiterate that the patrons at the local library have been happily
surfing the net, doing office apps, editing pictures, etc. for over two
years now on Linux desktops and we have yet to hear a complaint. The
systems just work.

BTW - I've seen the point made many times that profanity is simply a
crutch for a weak mind. Now I believe it.
 
Norton! What a pain in the butt!!!
I've just spent a few days trying to do something really simple, and
I'm furious!!!!
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Ive heard that F-Secure is one of the BEST for stopping virus's. I
used it years ago and loved it unfortunately dont have it now.

Spam blockers are entirely different beast and have to use a different
set of heuristics. I had a similar problem about 4 years ago but it
did not have to do with the size of the image it had to do with the
name of the image.

I was using Norton and had taken pictures of banners at a parade and
was posting banner.gif to the web site. I couldnt see it! Called the
client he could see it fine. Finally figured out Norton antispam as
blocking my pictures of parade banners because I named it banner.gif
and thats a common name for spam banners.

Its always a good idea to write valid HTML/XHTML code for the search
engines.

Earl
 
I not familiar with the 'teh driver', but I find that things work for me.
Epson photo printer, Brother laser printer, Epson scanner . . . Generally
I find that they work at least as well as MS and certainly better than
with vista.




Can't comment on that. I don't spend much time playing games on Linux.
Figured that would be a good excuse for a game console if I ever much got
into it. BTW - my daughter (B.S. with double major in math and computer
science) does her games on game consoles.




There might be a few. The only thing I've not been able to find that I
looked for was a simple program to print greeting cards. So we run that on
Linux via WINE.




Not much to comment on there either. I've always figured that content was
much more important than glitz.
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Which is true. Flash 9 is a content delivery system. Probably the most
IMPORTANT one over the coming years, now that web delivered video is
the fastest growing element of the WWW.

Linux desktops are not ready; not because they aren't stable or
capable (arguably). It's because if it goes wrong, it's VERY hard to
get support, the errors are generally meaningless. There is a very
thin veneer of a UI in Linux. Cracks into the complex OS world beneath
the UI are all over the place.
The point about malware is: why should I have to keep expending resources
just because the base OS is so riddled with holes? I've got a lot better
things to do with my time and money.
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Use a Mac.
I'll reiterate that the patrons at the local library have been happily
surfing the net, doing office apps, editing pictures, etc. for over two
years now on Linux desktops and we have yet to hear a complaint. The
systems just work.
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Only because they don't know what they're missing out on.
BTW - I've seen the point made many times that profanity is simply a
crutch for a weak mind. Now I believe it.
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Despite Hatters lack of social skills, he has made some valid points.
Unless you have a pet Linux nerd, avoid it like the plague.
 
Which is true. Flash 9 is a content delivery system. Probably the most
IMPORTANT one over the coming years, now that web delivered video is
the fastest growing element of the WWW.

Linux desktops are not ready; not because they aren't stable or
capable (arguably). It's because if it goes wrong, it's VERY hard to
get support, the errors are generally meaningless. There is a very
thin veneer of a UI in Linux. Cracks into the complex OS world beneath
the UI are all over the place.
Click to expand...

I see. You have not actually used Linux, have you. Simply spouting the
same old mantra.
Use a Mac.
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I can't afford a mac, which BTW is based on BSD Unix which is quite
similar to Linux.
Only because they don't know what they're missing out on.


Despite Hatters lack of social skills, he has made some valid points.
Unless you have a pet Linux nerd, avoid it like the plague.
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If you were to actually try it, you might change your mind; but I gather
there is little chance of that happening.
 
ray said:
I see. You have not actually used Linux, have you. Simply spouting the
same old mantra.
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Predictable reply from a Linux person?

I've used Redhat, SuSE and Fedora Core, all in anger. WE don't have any
Linux machines here any more -- just Macs and our Windows servers.
I can't afford a mac, which BTW is based on BSD Unix which is quite
similar to Linux.
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Under the hood yes, but what user should care about that? None. It's not
relevant. Do you know what software my TV runs? No. Because you don't
need to know.

And you cannot hold up ANY Linux UI against Tiger.
If you were to actually try it, you might change your mind; but I gather
there is little chance of that happening.
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When will people wake up!? Computers are a means to an end. Who cares if
it's Linux, Windows or OS X. It has to be fit for purpose, do what it's
supposed to do.


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Which is true. Flash 9 is a content delivery system. Probably the most
IMPORTANT one over the coming years, now that web delivered video is
the fastest growing element of the WWW.
Click to expand...

If I were much into 'flash' I guess I'd download the Linux Flash plugin
which is available from Adobe.
Linux desktops are not ready; not because they aren't stable or
capable (arguably). It's because if it goes wrong, it's VERY hard to
get support, the errors are generally meaningless. There is a very
thin veneer of a UI in Linux. Cracks into the complex OS world beneath
the UI are all over the place.
Click to expand...

You're quite right. It's incredibly hard to find Linux support. It takes
all the effort of posting a query to the appropriate news group - as
opposed to all the wonderful free support you get from MS.
Use a Mac.


Only because they don't know what they're missing out on.


Despite Hatters lack of social skills, he has made some valid points.
Unless you have a pet Linux nerd, avoid it like the plague.
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There are a number of varied reasons why an individual might prefer to use
MS over Linux. There are also a number of reasons why an individual might
prefer to use Linux over MS. The categorical denial that "Linux is not
ready for the desktop" is not a valid one. It is B.S. I can make a MUCH
better argument that MS is not ready for the internet.
 
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