Canon ip5000 & Xprint inks..."uh"...!

[Davy]

So I got some Xprint inks, ya know the stuff..... non OEM, the Pigment
black ....."yak", feathered and smudged like hell so .....

Having some text to print I'm back on Canon 3eBK and all is well,
"ok, ok I should have known better".

Davy

 

[Gary Tait]

(e-mail address removed) (Davy) wrote in @fe02.news.easynews.com:

So I got some Xprint inks, ya know the stuff..... non OEM, the Pigment
black ....."yak", feathered and smudged like hell so .....

Having some text to print I'm back on Canon 3eBK and all is well,
"ok, ok I should have known better".

Davy

Yes, you should have at least purchased a reputable aftermarket bulk ink.

 

[Taliesyn]

So I got some Xprint inks, ya know the stuff..... non OEM, the Pigment
black ....."yak", feathered and smudged like hell so .....

If it feathered, it wasn't pigmented. I find that most compatible 3eBK
cartridges sold on the Internet are the cheaper variety dye black ink.
Yes, it feathers terribly, is very sensitive to water, and gives a much
poorer print image. Quality pigmented black, either OEM or non OEM, give
the same laser like printout in side by side tests. I get my quality
pigmented black from reputable dealers in bulk or small refill bottles.

Having some text to print I'm back on Canon 3eBK and all is well,
"ok, ok I should have known better".

We all learn by making a few little mistakes. I keep the cheap dye stuff
around in case I need to print a manual. No use using the good,
pigmented ink for "shit jobs."

-Taliesyn

 

[Burt]

If it feathered, it wasn't pigmented. I find that most compatible 3eBK
cartridges sold on the Internet are the cheaper variety dye black ink.
Yes, it feathers terribly, is very sensitive to water, and gives a much
poorer print image. Quality pigmented black, either OEM or non OEM, give
the same laser like printout in side by side tests. I get my quality
pigmented black from reputable dealers in bulk or small refill bottles.


We all learn by making a few little mistakes. I keep the cheap dye stuff
around in case I need to print a manual. No use using the good, pigmented
ink for "shit jobs."

-Taliesyn

Davy - Taliesyn has been printing with an ip5000 and aftermarket bulk refill
inks very successfully. I don't know which ones he presently uses.
Formulabs, MIS, and hobbicolors are probably the ones to use for refilling.
I've read a few posts with reports of problems from MIS bci-3ebk refill ink,
but I'm using it (first refilled cart) and it is working ok. Maybe Taliesyn
can clue you in on the pigmented ink he presently is using.

 

[measekite]

If it feathered, it wasn't pigmented.

more generic junk with problems.

I find that most compatible

a catch all word that conveys nothing

3eBK cartridges sold on the Internet are the cheaper variety dye black
ink.
Yes, it feathers terribly, is very sensitive to water, and gives a
much poorer print image. Quality pigmented black, either OEM or non
OEM, give the same laser like printout in side by side tests. I get my
quality
pigmented black from reputable dealers in bulk or small refill bottles.


We all learn by making a few little mistakes. I keep the cheap dye stuff
around in case I need to print a manual. No use using the good,
pigmented ink for "shit jobs."

i think it is no good to use any ink where you cannot tell what you bought.

 

[measekite]

(e-mail address removed) (Davy) wrote in @fe02.news.easynews.com:




Yes, you should have at least purchased a reputable aftermarket bulk ink.

if the vendor will not tell you who the mfg/formulator is then they are
not reputable. reputable vendors disclose what they are selling and
properly label it.

 

[Taliesyn]

Davy - Taliesyn has been printing with an ip5000 and aftermarket bulk refill
inks very successfully. I don't know which ones he presently uses.
Formulabs, MIS, and hobbicolors are probably the ones to use for refilling.
I've read a few posts with reports of problems from MIS bci-3ebk refill ink,
but I'm using it (first refilled cart) and it is working ok. Maybe Taliesyn
can clue you in on the pigmented ink he presently is using.

My pigmented black ink (BCI-3eBk) is still from atlanticinkjet.com, from
bulk bottles. And it is marked as "pigmented" on their website. Works great.

-Taliesyn

 

[Taliesyn]

if the vendor will not tell you who the mfg/formulator is then they are
not reputable. reputable vendors disclose what they are selling and
properly label it.

Does it tell you on the pretty Canon box "who" the formulator or
manufacturer is (in those exact words)? I don't think so. Does it even
tell you BCI-3e is pigmented. Again, I don't think so. You're no further
ahead.

Shop around until you get WHAT YOU WANT - AT THE PRICE YOU WANT!

I did. The inks I use are great. I'm tickled magenta and Canon's hand is
not in my pocket, emptying my wallet. I do not need your narrow-minded
advice on how to run a printer. Been doing it successfully without your
interference for many years. And no matter how long you keep telling me
that my inks are no good - simply because I don't know who made them - I
will keep replying that they are just fine and that I don't need to know
who precisely made them.

-Taliesyn

 

[Frank]

Does it tell you on the pretty Canon box "who" the formulator or
manufacturer is (in those exact words)? I don't think so. Does it even
tell you BCI-3e is pigmented. Again, I don't think so. You're no further
ahead.

Shop around until you get WHAT YOU WANT - AT THE PRICE YOU WANT!

I did. The inks I use are great. I'm tickled magenta and Canon's hand is
not in my pocket, emptying my wallet. I do not need your narrow-minded
advice on how to run a printer. Been doing it successfully without your
interference for many years. And no matter how long you keep telling me
that my inks are no good - simply because I don't know who made them - I
will keep replying that they are just fine and that I don't need to know
who precisely made them.

-Taliesyn

I see that ****in moron who is also an idiot is still spreading his lies
about ink, paper and printers. Kill filer his dumb ass and be done with him.
Frank

 

[Davy]

Well folks, thanks for all the replies.... very very true I shoul
have used a reputable manufacturer... guess I learned before causin
any other damage

Yes, I suspected it wasn't the pigment stuff myself so out it cam
pretty quick....just WHO can you trust...

How about someone making a list of good and bad stuff for all t
see....without the "I told you so comments..

Guess I will try and make a start... Cheer

Dav

 

[measekite]

i told everyone that you can only trust the printer mfg on ink.

 

[measekite]

Does it tell you on the pretty Canon box "who" the formulator or
manufacturer is (in those exact words)? I don't think so. Does it even
tell you BCI-3e is pigmented. Again, I don't think so. You're no
further ahead.

Shop around until you get WHAT YOU WANT - AT THE PRICE YOU WANT!

I did. The inks I use are great. I'm tickled magenta and Canon's hand is
not in my pocket, emptying my wallet. I do not need your narrow-minded
advice on how to run a printer. Been doing it successfully without your
interference for many years. And no matter how long you keep telling me
that my inks are no good - simply because I don't know who made them -
I will keep replying that they are just fine and that I don't need to
know
who precisely made them.

reply if you want and be responsible for many average users clogging
their printheads with the generic ink you recommend that is not labeled
and you do not know what you are getting. lately therer are so many
posters with clogged printheads and other ink related problems. i enjoy
hearing about them because i told them in advance. now many will start
using factory ink. and i know that factory ink costs too much.

 

[measekite]

My pigmented black ink (BCI-3eBk) is still from atlanticinkjet.com,
from bulk bottles. And it is marked as "pigmented" on their website.
Works great.

but is it marked on the pigmented on the bottle. and besides they are
another who will not tell you what you are buying. my god look at all
of ther chatter about people buying who knows what from multiple sources
because they do not know what they are getting and much stuff is being
misrepresented like you order pigmented and get dye. i just laugh at
all of this. and yes i know that your ink costs less. you only make
out if you are a heavey printer and get a lot of mileage before you need
to replace your pirnthead.

 

[zakezuke]

Well folks, thanks for all the replies.... very very true I should

have used a reputable manufacturer... guess I learned before >causing any other damage.

Yes, I suspected it wasn't the pigment stuff myself so out it came
pretty quick....just WHO can you trust...?

It's only measekite who uses the "I told you so" approach. Reality is
you bought a product that uses dye rather than pigment, but did the
important thing and say to others it's not so great.

I've "heard" that cartridge world uses OCP or Formulabs ink, both known
manufacturers of ink. They are a fill as you wait place in the UK,
Europe, and might be expanding to the states. Formulabs is often
reccomended in this group... as is "Image Specalists" but both are ink
manufacturers not cartridge.

 

[Taliesyn]

reply if you want and be responsible for many average users clogging
their printheads with the generic ink you recommend....

If anyone's using inks I don't recommend, that's their private business,
not yours nor mine. Been using the inks I recommend in my Canon iP5000
since December 20004. None has ruined a printer and no one here has EVER
posted that inks from these dealers has. You've failed again.

Also been using these inks in my iP4000 and it's cousin the i860. All
are alive today and function as well as can be expected. To whom shall I
address the envelope. I wish to send thee 3 nozzle checks for your
personal examination, my Lord, if you will permit me to present the
evidence. . .

lately therer are so many
posters with clogged printheads and other ink related problems. i enjoy
hearing about them because i told them in advance.

Only someone like you would "enjoy" hearing about other people's
problems. As much as I like saving money by using alternative inks, I
take no joy in watching other people spend 10 times more money on ink
than they have to. Frankly, it's none of my business what people use. I
help those who specifically ask questions about alternative sources of ink.

now many will start using factory ink.

Hilarious comment, by the way. Here's news for you. My ink was made in a
factory too; and not a pastry shop. :-O

and i know that factory ink costs too much.

Good, finally you say something that is truthful and honest. Nice to
know you're not merely an "unwise multifunctional device" towing the
company line.

-Taliesyn

 

[Taliesyn]

but is it marked pigmented on the bottle.

Yes, Measekite, it does. I have no need to lie to you nor anyone else as
I have no intention of misleading anyone. Can you say the same thing
about yourself? . . .

I have the HobbiColors 2 oz bottle in front of me and it says in largish
black letters "This is a pigmented Black Ink. Do not use in ink
cartridges that use dye based ink."

Then below it says "... Use high quality black pigment for durable
waterproof and fade resistant printing. Formulated to match Canon OEM
specification. Available in 1 oz, 2 oz, 4 oz, 8 oz and larger sizes."

and besides they are

another who will not tell you what you are buying.

I'm buying ink that works. That's no different than buying Canon ink -
Ink that works . . .

my god look at all
of ther chatter about people buying who knows what from multiple sources
because they do not know what they are getting and much stuff is being
misrepresented like you order pigmented and get dye.

Seems you're a bit paranoid. I've noticed none of the regulars here
having lost their mind. Sure, newbies will make mistakes. We were all
there once. I'm not a newbie.

i just laugh at all of this.

Cruel to be kind? You do have a sadist streak in you, don't you?

and yes i know that your ink costs less.

About a $1,000 less last year. Nothing to sneeze at, is it. Think what
you could buy with that money. But that was last year. My printing
frequency has been drastically altered since early last December.

You only make out if you are a heavey printer and get a lot of mileage
before you need to replace your pirnthead.

Oh, no, no, no.... I never "make out' while printing. Business and
pleasure don't mix. Might get the weenie caught in the rollers . . .

My print load isn't heavy, hasn't been for six months. I honestly
haven't changed cartridges in any printer since last December. That's
six months ago. I indicate refill dates on spare cartridges, I just
checked the dates. And I anticipate only one more refill change, at the
most, this year for the two printers in operation. Heavy print load,
light print load... I've told you many times, it makes no difference in
my printers. They work just like they were OEM. Only the price is different.

Taliesyn

 

[Burt]

Yes, Measekite, it does. I have no need to lie to you nor anyone else as I
have no intention of misleading anyone. Can you say the same thing about
yourself? . . .

I have the HobbiColors 2 oz bottle in front of me and it says in largish
black letters "This is a pigmented Black Ink. Do not use in ink cartridges
that use dye based ink."

Then below it says "... Use high quality black pigment for durable
waterproof and fade resistant printing. Formulated to match Canon OEM
specification. Available in 1 oz, 2 oz, 4 oz, 8 oz and larger sizes."

and besides they are

I'm buying ink that works. That's no different than buying Canon ink - Ink
that works . . .


Seems you're a bit paranoid. I've noticed none of the regulars here having
lost their mind. Sure, newbies will make mistakes. We were all there once.
I'm not a newbie.


Cruel to be kind? You do have a sadist streak in you, don't you?


About a $1,000 less last year. Nothing to sneeze at, is it. Think what
you could buy with that money. But that was last year. My printing
frequency has been drastically altered since early last December.


Oh, no, no, no.... I never "make out' while printing. Business and
pleasure don't mix. Might get the weenie caught in the rollers . . .

My print load isn't heavy, hasn't been for six months. I honestly haven't
changed cartridges in any printer since last December. That's six months
ago. I indicate refill dates on spare cartridges, I just checked the
dates. And I anticipate only one more refill change, at the most, this
year for the two printers in operation. Heavy print load, light print
load... I've told you many times, it makes no difference in my printers.
They work just like they were OEM. Only the price is different.

Taliesyn

Taliesyn - don't you get withdrawal symptoms when you print so little that
your refill syringes and bottles of ink sit gathering dust? You're missing
half the fun!

 

[Taliesyn]

Taliesyn - don't you get withdrawal symptoms when you print so little that
your refill syringes and bottles of ink sit gathering dust? You're missing
half the fun!

I know, there must be a support group for guys like me - who own 3
printers and have little to print. But I'm so involved with putting my
music collection of my mp3 player that it takes my full free time. The
player holds up to 5000 songs, and I'm determined to fill 'er up. It'll
take 2 years I calculate since I edit: remaster, volume adjust, fix
intros and outros, sometimes shorten, etc, etc). Then once a month I
indulge myself by printing out the booklet listing the currently loaded
songs. Yes! Yes! Yes! It's a simple booklet, a photo on the glossy cover
and just black text. It's not much, but it's fun and puts a smile back
on my print face . . .

Oh, I still use the syringes (not, for anything weird). I water my
beautiful wild purple pansy in my computer room! Feel just like the
"plant doctor" . . .

Happy printing, lucky guy!

-Taliesyn

 

[Burt]

I know, there must be a support group for guys like me - who own 3
printers and have little to print. But I'm so involved with putting my
music collection of my mp3 player that it takes my full free time. The
player holds up to 5000 songs, and I'm determined to fill 'er up. It'll
take 2 years I calculate since I edit: remaster, volume adjust, fix
intros and outros, sometimes shorten, etc, etc). Then once a month I
indulge myself by printing out the booklet listing the currently loaded
songs. Yes! Yes! Yes! It's a simple booklet, a photo on the glossy cover
and just black text. It's not much, but it's fun and puts a smile back
on my print face . . .

Oh, I still use the syringes (not, for anything weird). I water my
beautiful wild purple pansy in my computer room! Feel just like the
"plant doctor" . . .

Happy printing, lucky guy!

-Taliesyn

Don't tell me - let me guess. The pansy colors are ... magenta, yellow,
cyan, and black. If they weren't when you bought them, using the syringes
from your refill kit will have certainly matched them to the hobbicolors
hues (very close to, if not spot on, canon OEM colors.) Any clogging or
fading exhibited by the pansies?????

 

[Taliesyn]

Don't tell me - let me guess. The pansy colors are ... magenta, yellow,
cyan, and black. If they weren't when you bought them, using the syringes
from your refill kit will have certainly matched them to the hobbicolors
hues (very close to, if not spot on, canon OEM colors.) Any clogging or
fading exhibited by the pansies?????

Clogging? More like drowning! I think I gave it too much water. It'd be
nice to have them in different colors. But right they're all purple, and
not faded! I wonder if mixing magenta, cyan and water next time I water
them will give me a stronger purple. Or will Greenpeace come after me
for harming the Earth's flora by using non OEM inks.

-Taliesyn