Canon ink waterproof ?

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Hi,
Printing with a Canon MPC 600F I use the S600 series ink from Canon and
Officedepot. I recently experienced that the ink is not waterproof after
having dried for some time. But it might be the officedepot ink that
didn't pass the test. Can someone on the list tell me if there is a
Canon ink for the S600 series that is waterproof? Or can you forget that
demand when it comes to ink jet printers?

Frank
 
Frank said:
Hi,
Printing with a Canon MPC 600F I use the S600 series ink from Canon and
Officedepot. I recently experienced that the ink is not waterproof after
having dried for some time. But it might be the officedepot ink that
didn't pass the test. Can someone on the list tell me if there is a
Canon ink for the S600 series that is waterproof? Or can you forget that
demand when it comes to ink jet printers?

Frank
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From our own research where JetTec inks closely follow Epson and Canon
trends and backed up by a recent PC-Pro review of the latest 12 best inkjet
printers all Canon's use dye based colour and pigment based blacks.
The only true pigmented Epson is the latest C84 for all colours and black,
apart from the high end 2000 plus series. I've used our Lightfast inks and
then dunked it in the washing up with no runns or smearing.
Tony
 
Tony1that said:
From our own research where JetTec inks closely follow Epson and Canon
trends and backed up by a recent PC-Pro review of the latest 12 best inkjet
printers all Canon's use dye based colour and pigment based blacks.
The only true pigmented Epson is the latest C84 for all colours and black,
apart from the high end 2000 plus series. I've used our Lightfast inks and
then dunked it in the washing up with no runns or smearing.
Tony
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I understand that Canon inks always blacks ? That's quite annoying.

Frank
 
Frank said:
Tony1that matters wrote:



I understand that Canon inks always blacks ? That's quite annoying.

Frank
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What about fixing the colours with a spray? A German ink site,
www.tintendruck24.de , sells a fixing spray that protects against water
drops and uv rays. Does anyone know which are the components of such a
spray so that I can buy it in a local shop?
Thanks
Frank
 
Frank said:
Hi,
Printing with a Canon MPC 600F I use the S600 series ink from Canon and
Officedepot. I recently experienced that the ink is not waterproof after
having dried for some time. But it might be the officedepot ink that
didn't pass the test.
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AtlanticInkjet (ReInks in the US) sells quality ink that is waterproof
and lightfast on Office Depot photo paper. I use both here with a Canon
i850 and they compare nicely to Canon original.

Office Depot ink is probably the generic crap that many retailers sell.
Avoid that stuff.
 
Bill said:
Frank wrote:




AtlanticInkjet (ReInks in the US) sells quality ink that is waterproof
and lightfast on Office Depot photo paper. I use both here with a Canon
i850 and they compare nicely to Canon original.

Office Depot ink is probably the generic crap that many retailers sell.
Avoid that stuff.
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Thanks for the hint, Bill. I looked at the AtlantikInkjet website. The
only difficulty is that I am in France, and the economies that you make
when using non-original ink cartridges are gone when you have to ship
them over the Atlantic.AtlanticInkjet doesn't even give you a price for
shipping abroad.

But your hint gives me the hope that I find some ink that is waterproof.
We lloked for waterproof ink to print photos for a family album so
pictures should remain in good shape for a while. I guess the solution
will be using fixing spray.

Frank
 
Tony1that said:
From our own research where JetTec inks closely follow Epson and Canon
trends and backed up by a recent PC-Pro review of the latest 12 best
inkjet printers all Canon's use dye based colour and pigment based
blacks.
The only true pigmented Epson is the latest C84 for all colours and
black, apart from the high end 2000 plus series. I've used our
Lightfast inks and then dunked it in the washing up with no runns or
smearing.
Tony
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That's not true, Tony. I have a i9100, as you know as I've bought from you,
and the black is *NOT* pigmented. I can run a damp finger over it and it
smears.
 
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That's not true, Tony. I have a i9100, as you know as I've bought from you,
and the black is *NOT* pigmented. I can run a damp finger over it and it
smears.
There are two parts to a printing equation, the second being paper. My
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tests on JetTec papers and pigmented inks did not run. So, what paper did
you use ??
Tony
 
Cerridwen said:
Tony1that matters wrote:



That's not true, Tony. I have a i9100, as you know as I've bought from you,
and the black is *NOT* pigmented. I can run a damp finger over it and it
smears.
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You mean ink has to be pigmented for not to black when in contact with
water. How can I know whether it is pigmented or not? Unfortunately ink
cartridges have no list of ingredients on the box ;-)
Frank
 
What about fixing the colours with a spray? A German ink site,
www.tintendruck24.de , sells a fixing spray that protects against water
drops and uv rays. Does anyone know which are the components of such a
spray so that I can buy it in a local shop?
Thanks
Frank
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I have used Cear Satin (water based) Urethane varnish in a hand filled
airbrush to coat ink jet prints from Canon printers.

The trick is to get a VERY light coat that covers the entire print.

I lay the prints flat on a board covered in Saran Wrap (so the print
wont stick to the board) and spey them lightly.

I have ONLY done this with prints done on Matte Paper.

They end up looking like Semi-glossy prints.

They dont yellow for at least 5 years, if kept out of direct sunlight.

If you want a print to look like an oil painting you can put it on with
a small brush (very time consuming)

Y M M V

Larry Lynch
Mystic, Ct.
 
You mean ink has to be pigmented for not to black when in contact with
water. How can I know whether it is pigmented or not? Unfortunately ink
cartridges have no list of ingredients on the box ;-)
Frank
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The way to know if the inks are pigmented is as follows:

New Epson printers C84 et al
Pigmented Inks.

All Other brands and models:
Dye type ink except for black.

As a side note:

MIS and other companies are currently working on pigmented inks for
Canon (and other) printers.

MIS (www.inksupply.com) currently sells some pigmented inks that can be
used in Epson Photo Stylus 785 EPX & PhotoStylus 825 (among others) but
they tell you on the web site that you will need to come up with your
own printing profiles (for now).

Larry Lynch
Mystic, Ct
 
Frank said:
Thanks for the hint, Bill. I looked at the AtlantikInkjet website. The
only difficulty is that I am in France, and the economies that you make
when using non-original ink cartridges are gone when you have to ship
them over the Atlantic.AtlanticInkjet doesn't even give you a price for
shipping abroad.
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I don't think they ship overseas. :(
But your hint gives me the hope that I find some ink that is waterproof.
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Contrary to what many people think it's not the ink that's waterproof,
it's the photo paper.

The ink I use is dye-based and is not waterproof unless used on a resin
coated photo paper. The photo paper I use "locks-in" the ink and repels
water. I have tested it under running water and it doesn't affect the
print at all (except for curling of the paper as it dries).
We lloked for waterproof ink to print photos for a family album so
pictures should remain in good shape for a while. I guess the solution
will be using fixing spray.
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If the ink you get is of decent quality and has some degree of
lightfastness, then a decent photo paper is probably all you need.

I believe Ilford is waterproof. I'm sure others must have some
suggestions that you can find in France.
 
Bill said:
Frank wrote:




I don't think they ship overseas. :(




Contrary to what many people think it's not the ink that's waterproof,
it's the photo paper.

The ink I use is dye-based and is not waterproof unless used on a resin
coated photo paper. The photo paper I use "locks-in" the ink and repels
water. I have tested it under running water and it doesn't affect the
print at all (except for curling of the paper as it dries).




If the ink you get is of decent quality and has some degree of
lightfastness, then a decent photo paper is probably all you need.

I believe Ilford is waterproof. I'm sure others must have some
suggestions that you can find in France.
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Thank you all for your information. Your information was really helpful.
We shall not wait up to teh moment when pigmented ink will be on the market
but buy a fixation spray.
What I retain from the thread is that there is black ink for the Canon
that is pigmented but other colours are not, at this moment.

Frank
 
Frank said:
Thank you all for your information. Your information was really helpful.
We shall not wait up to teh moment when pigmented ink will be on the market
but buy a fixation spray.
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Just so you know, I have photos that have been in an album and some
behind glass in frames, and none of them have shown any signs of fade or
colour casting after a year.

I have compared a few prints that were left stuck to the fridge, but the
fade or casting is very minimal after a year - you wouldn't notice it
unless it was in a side-by-side comparison.

Of course, none of these photos have been in direct sunlight, just
ambient sunlight in the room. That's the biggest problem for photos.
What I retain from the thread is that there is black ink for the Canon
that is pigmented but other colours are not, at this moment.
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Correct.
 
Canon four color printers use pigmented black ink (water-fast). Canon six
color printers use dye black ink (not water-fast), because they are for
photo printing.

--
Yianni
(e-mail address removed) (remove number nine to reply)


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Yianni said:
Canon four color printers use pigmented black ink (water-fast). Canon six
color printers use dye black ink (not water-fast), because they are for
photo printing.
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What do you mean with Canon six color printers: the S600 and the
cartridges that work with this model ?
Frank
 
Yianni said:
Canon four color printers use pigmented black ink (water-fast). Canon six
color printers use dye black ink (not water-fast), because they are for
photo printing.
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Nearly right - but: the i865 in my techie manuals uses BCI-3 and 4 BCI-6
for dye based colour and pigment based black.
Tony
 
Does it go "Oink" when you squeeze the cartridge ?

I'm SO sorry. I just couldn't resist :)

-Larry
 
Hi Al,

The inks used in Inkjet printing are water soluble. Work is being done to
change that but I am not aware of any inkjs that can be printed at 2
picoliters and not be water soluble? Just my personal note (not a
scientist) and guess that something different will come along in the future?

Ron Baird
Eastman Kodak Company
 
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