Canon i560s VS. Epson 84?

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Need new printer.
Down to these two.
Anybody have experience with both?

Thanks in advance.

Bill
 
Need new printer.
Down to these two.
Anybody have experience with both?

Thanks in advance.

Bill
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I love my i550 (pre-i560 - almost the same). Great printout, cheap carts,
very easy to refill. Very fast. Absolute winner of all reviews in his class.
I would say for Epson - what's at least, probably has chipped carts, which
makes you harder to refill. Also i've heard that when it stops printing (aka
empty cart), it's some 1/3 to 1/4 th of ink still in there - you just can't
use it ...
 
Not true after the ink low warning appeared I maneged over 80 pages of text
before I had to change
 
Neil Williams said:
Not true after the ink low warning appeared I maneged over 80 pages of text
before I had to change
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Agreed! I have gotten another 100 out of my all in one before it shut
down..
 
Agreed! I have gotten another 100 out of my all in one before it
shut down..
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But that's what i'm talking about. When it stops printing, if you manage to
reset the chip, you can print another 50-100 pages. When it actually stops,
it contains 1/2 - 1/4 amount of ink, not when low warning appears. Similar
is with Color lasers - i've read the test and when low toner warning
appears, testers continue to print (at some models this warning has to be
shut off) and printed over 1000 pages... And that warning was something
like: "Toner amount is critical - replace it immediatley!"
At my Canon's i can at least see how much ink is in it and that is most
precise of all systems.
Not that i'm against Epson's, i've just read several times...
 
So what happens when you run the printer out of ink and the print head is
useless? What have you managed to save?
 
So what happens when you run the printer out of ink and the print
head is useless? What have you managed to save?
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Printhead doesn't go balooney just like that. When you print, you usually
notice that one ink is missing (at least i do). It's if you just keep
printing in to thin air, it MIGHT die. It's just some cheap crap from
manufacturer to scare you.
What do you save? A few bucks - to be precise - about 1 third of the price
of new cart. Now that's not much. Now you multiply this not much by ten, or
even more... is it still not much?

This early warning is merely because there's a danger for head to become
clogged because the lack of ink and remainings can dry out. That's why you
must replace it immediately after you see it's empty. Gee, what do you
think - that head has 300 degrees or what? Paper coming out of it must be
damn hot in this case...
 
You replace the ink when the printer refuses to print anymore. If you reset
it then the printer runs itself dry and can cause problems. No thank you.
 
You replace the ink when the printer refuses to print anymore. If
you reset it then the printer runs itself dry and can cause problems.
No thank you.
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It's your choice. If you wanna waste good ink, be my guest. ME----no thanks.
You should know by now that ANY company's policy is to sell as much carts as
possible. That's why some printers are so cheap, while carts are bloddy
expensive. And that's why they set chips so that they report error too soon.
Note that many printers have so-called starter carts in it - they contain
way less ink to minimize costs.
It would be perfectly OK if this chip would report no ink when there would
be appr. 1/10 th of ink left in it. But 1/3 rd?
Do you throw away a can of beer when it's 1/3 rd full or when it's empty?
 
SleeperMan said:
It's your choice. If you wanna waste good ink, be my guest. ME----no thanks.
You should know by now that ANY company's policy is to sell as much carts as
possible. That's why some printers are so cheap, while carts are bloddy
expensive. And that's why they set chips so that they report error too soon.
Note that many printers have so-called starter carts in it - they contain
way less ink to minimize costs.
It would be perfectly OK if this chip would report no ink when there would
be appr. 1/10 th of ink left in it. But 1/3 rd?
Do you throw away a can of beer when it's 1/3 rd full or when it's empty?
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If/when you do run it out of ink this it will overheat the head and
it burns out... It is just like a fuel injected car, the fuel pump is in
the gas tank to keep the pump cool.. If you repeatedly run the tank low on
gas the pump over heats and will fail after time, sometimes it takes a few
times, sometimes it only takes once. The "unused" ink is in the cart by
design to protect the heads, you don't pay for this ink..
 
I have a couple C84's (they were close to free after rebate).

Pros:
- Print quality is excellent and I think Epson's Durabright inks are
the best out there.
- Easy Win XP setup

Cons:
- The initial setup uses lots of ink to prime the printhead. I've
only printed about 25-30 normal pages and my ink levels are at about
the 2/3 level.
- Epson ink is very expensive. Black is about $30.
- Epsons are "clogmonsters" unless used nearly every day. I use mine
occassional and voids develop in the printing pattern. Head clean
restores this condition but waists lots of ink.
- Epsons printers go thru this long "rain dance" after you turn them
on. Subsequent printing is fast.
- Forget about refilling this printer. Epson uses a silly anti
consumer scheme of integrating a chip into the cartridge to prevent
you from refilling.
- Epson doesn't believe in email. If you need tech support your
options are snail mail or phone.

If I were choosing between the two and paying street price I'd pick to
i560 and buy it at Costco. (you get a $40 lower price + USB cable).

The biggest negative with Canon is there ink formulation. (ie very
suceptable to fading)
 
Epson does have email tech support for every printer. I don't find the cost
of Epson ink to be expensive. In fact it is one of the cheaper ones. They
also have a very long archival life and the prints are waterproof.
 
If/when you do run it out of ink this it will overheat the
head and it burns out... It is just like a fuel injected car, the
fuel pump is in the gas tank to keep the pump cool.. If you
repeatedly run the tank low on gas the pump over heats and will fail
after time, sometimes it takes a few times, sometimes it only takes
once. The "unused" ink is in the cart by design to protect the
heads, you don't pay for this ink..
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Yeah, right...and Bush has loong beard...


Did you know that one milligramme of ink is more expensive than one
milligramme of gold?
 
There are 3 color tanks at $14/ea and the black tank is $38/ea.

That's $80 for a complete ink replenishment. That's even more than
Lexmark!!
 
davefr said:
There are 3 color tanks at $14/ea and the black tank is $38/ea.

That's $80 for a complete ink replenishment. That's even more than
Lexmark!!
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BUT unlike the Lexmark(my wife has one) when she run out of one color
she pays about $35.00(US) for her color cart. When I run out of Yellow(for
example) in my Epson I pay $11.99 ... I have never, in the past 6 months
replaced all my colors at one time. Matter of fact I have kept up with the
ink usage on my CX5200, I am a very heavy user(I run a home office) and
while doing my taxes I have noticed that since I changed to Epson printers
my ink usage has all most dropped in half from last year when I was running
Hp's...
 
William C. said:
Need new printer.
Down to these two.
Anybody have experience with both?

Thanks in advance.

Bill
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I just bought a C84 ($80 after rebate) for my kid's computer yesterday and
it took a whopping 3 1/2 minutes to print a 4x6 photo at best quality.
My buddy's Canon i860 does this in 50 seconds. Dunno how fast the i560 does
it but it's gotta be faster than the C84.
Maybe I should go back to Best Buy and spring the extra $20 for the i560.

Rick
 
I just bought a C84 ($80 after rebate) for my kid's computer
yesterday and it took a whopping 3 1/2 minutes to print a 4x6 photo
at best quality.
My buddy's Canon i860 does this in 50 seconds. Dunno how fast the
i560 does it but it's gotta be faster than the C84.
Maybe I should go back to Best Buy and spring the extra $20 for the
i560.

Rick
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i560 is more or less the fastest printer. It's about the same as 860, maybe
a bit faster. Also i560 is the cheapest printer per page. And this goes for
black text, color page or Photo print. Before i bought a new printer (i was
buying the cheapest one with separate carts), i did some research and two
resellers told me the same - HP is the one you DON'T want to buy,since carts
are too expensive.
As for Epson goes, my friend has one of those cheap ones and carts for it
are very cheap, especially if you buy replacements. Maybe for upper models
become more expensive.
Also Canon i560, 860, 9xx etc. are the easiest printers to refill. You do it
in less than one minute. So, i guess you really should buy one of canon's.
 
BUT unlike the Lexmark(my wife has one) when she run out of one
color she pays about $35.00(US) for her color cart. When I run out
of Yellow(for example) in my Epson I pay $11.99 ... I have never,
in the past 6 months replaced all my colors at one time. Matter of
fact I have kept up with the ink usage on my CX5200, I am a very
heavy user(I run a home office) and while doing my taxes I have
noticed that since I changed to Epson printers my ink usage has all
most dropped in half from last year when I was running Hp's...
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Yeah, well, Lexmarks are one of that printers, which you DON'T buy cart when
you run out of ink, but you rather buy new Lex printer instead. At least
here brand new LEx with both carts come cheaper than ONE cart bought
separately. I have two of them at home (no carts, sure...), but then i've
got tired of buyin gnew printer each time, so i got myself i550. Also way,
way better printing (especially photo!!!), here than at my old Lex Z33.

Did you ever consider refilling, since you use a printer a lot? But then
again, you should have one of Canons for this...
 
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