Canon digital photo printing not worth it

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Leaning toward's a canon printer. Lexmark and Epson definitely off my list.
But was adding up the costs. Far cheaper to buy prints at Sam's Club then
when you work out the costs on a printer. Not sure what all the hype is
about.
 
Leaning toward's a canon printer. Lexmark and Epson definitely off my list.
But was adding up the costs. Far cheaper to buy prints at Sam's Club then
when you work out the costs on a printer. Not sure what all the hype is
about.
Basically, it's about creative control. If you're happy with some kid
at Sam's or Wallmart deciding how to crop and color balance your
photographs, then go for it.
Charlie Hoffpauir
[STOP THE GRAND PARKWAY]
http://members.manvel.net/charlieh/
 
M said:
Leaning toward's a canon printer. Lexmark and Epson definitely off my list.
But was adding up the costs. Far cheaper to buy prints at Sam's Club then
when you work out the costs on a printer. Not sure what all the hype is
about.

I use quality bulk ink and colour matched refill "kits" from
AtlanticInkjet here in Canada. In the US, Re-Inks is their sister
company. It's very easy to refill the clear plastic tanks, and the
colour match is identical to Canon because they use Formulabs ink.

Longevity of the prints is also excellent, and a lot depends on the
quality of photo paper used. I happen to like Office Depot photo paper
which works perfectly and is half the price of Canon.

Using bulk ink to refill, and Office Depot paper, I can print photos at
home for less than it costs to get a roll developed and printed at any
photo outlet. This is part of the reason I've switched over from
negative film to digital.
 
M said:
Leaning toward's a canon printer. Lexmark and Epson definitely off my list.
But was adding up the costs. Far cheaper to buy prints at Sam's Club then
when you work out the costs on a printer. Not sure what all the hype is
about.

The hype is all about better pics. I have a Canon 960 and can print MUCH
better pics than anything from Wally world.

Cost is obviously dear to you, get an APS camera, shoot away, and let
Walmart print them. Will cost you much less........ Leave the digital
cameras and printers to people that love photography and dont mind
spending a little more and getting a high quality print......

Senior
 
I love "blanket" statements like this.....
Leaning toward's a canon printer. Lexmark and Epson definitely off my list.
But was adding up the costs. Far cheaper to buy prints at Sam's Club then
when you work out the costs on a printer. Not sure what all the hype is
about.


Obviously, you have a lot more to look at then cost.....And I can beat the
cost by far with OfficeDepot or Red River paper & weink inks......

Get a good Canon....READ the group, or search to Canon acceptable papers &
inks, and have a Great time printing....

Joe
 
Leaning toward's a canon printer. Lexmark and Epson definitely off my list.
But was adding up the costs. Far cheaper to buy prints at Sam's Club then
when you work out the costs on a printer. Not sure what all the hype is
about.
Basically, it's about creative control. If you're happy with some kid
at Sam's or Wallmart deciding how to crop and color balance your
photographs, then go for it.
Charlie Hoffpauir
[STOP THE GRAND PARKWAY]
http://members.manvel.net/charlieh/

I was happy to begin with when having Costco or Sam's Club process
these digital prints on their new machines. Since then, the quality
has slid to the point where I'm back to doing it myself. Only now I'm
refilling my carts to save money and the photos are a whole lot
better. Guess that these processors were just a flash in the pan...
 
I was happy to begin with when having Costco or Sam's Club process
these digital prints on their new machines. Since then, the quality
has slid to the point where I'm back to doing it myself. Only now I'm
refilling my carts to save money and the photos are a whole lot
better. Guess that these processors were just a flash in the pan...


The cause for the "flash in the pan" is really simple. The tech people that come around to
adjust the photo machines are not allowed to spend a lot of time making them perfect. They
just get 'em in the neighborhood of a usable print and toddle off to the next place.

If you saw the movie "One Hour Photo" you saw (according to a friend who runs a "one hour
photo place") a very realistic depiction of the "techs" they send out to service the
machines.
 
Leaning toward's a canon printer. Lexmark and Epson definitely off my list.
But was adding up the costs. Far cheaper to buy prints at Sam's Club then
when you work out the costs on a printer. Not sure what all the hype is
about.
Let's see, why would anyone want to print at home?
convenience---prints on demand 24/7
custom prints for free--exactly the way you want them
custom sizes
montages
add words for greeting cards
some combos of archival ink and paper are longer-lived than
traditional methods

Other than that, no advantage at all..........

**************************
Mark Herring, Pasadena, Calif.
Private e-mail: Just say no to "No".
 
Mark Herring said:
Let's see, why would anyone want to print at home?
convenience---prints on demand 24/7

oooooo, there's an issue. "Hey, honey--roll over, I've gotta get up and
print some photos"

custom prints for free--exactly the way you want them

Hmmmmm? Free? So the (high) price of the print doesn't count? BTW,
have you ever seen a Fuji Aladdin kiosk, hooked to the Fuji Frontier
printer? With the Aladdin kiosk, you get custom prints equally for
free--exactly the way you want them.


custom sizes

see above




see above




add words for greeting cards

see above



some combos of archival ink and paper are longer-lived than
traditional methods

I doubt that.



Oh, btw: did you forget to mention the TIME it takes for doing this at
home?

Some people get off on geeking around at home. Others have a life, and
are happy to pay the same price at a Sam's Club for the Fuji system to
do it for them in half an hour.


Other than that, no advantage at all..........

Go see the Aladdin kiosk, and you'll get it. Home printing is awfully
expensive for what you get, and damned inconvenient while doing it.
 
M P said:
Leaning toward's a canon printer. Lexmark and Epson definitely off my list.
But was adding up the costs. Far cheaper to buy prints at Sam's Club then
when you work out the costs on a printer. Not sure what all the hype is
about.
Last night the sister-in-law had a horribly creased and scrunched up
wallet size wedding picture which she asked me to fix for her. An hour
with Photoshop and -- like new. Tonight the wife wanted four 4X6's of
a family shot to send off to the relatives in Italy. Zip and it's done
-- no searching for a negative and trotting off to the store. Very
convenient.

Jeff
 
Go see the Aladdin kiosk, and you'll get it. Home printing is awfully
expensive for what you get, and damned inconvenient while doing it.

And you are reading a printer newsgroup why??

We certainly respect your right not to print photos at home. BTW, the
8" x 30" panorama I just printed---stitched from 8 photos, retouched,
edge-burned, etc. Where would I go to ahve that done?
**************************
Mark Herring, Pasadena, Calif.
Private e-mail: Just say no to "No".
 
Go see the Aladdin kiosk, and you'll get it. Home printing is awfully
expensive for what you get, and damned inconvenient while doing it.

And you are reading a printer newsgroup why??[/QUOTE]

Why not? Why is it your business? There are all sorts of printers in
the world--not just home inkjet printers. Or do you think that this
newsgroup is about nothing but home inkjet printers that are used for
printing digicam output?

Home printers are for all sorts of things--but not for everything.
 
Mark Herring said:
BTW, the
8" x 30" panorama I just printed---stitched from 8 photos, retouched,
edge-burned, etc. Where would I go to ahve that done?

Just about anywhere, actually. No big deal. Compose it at home, and
have someone print it out.
 
Elmo said:
Oh, btw: did you forget to mention the TIME it takes for doing this at
home?

A half hour at most...less time than it took me to drive to the
photolab, drop off the film, and return. Of course, the photolab takes
two days, while my own prints are ready in minutes.

And the photolab costs more.
Some people get off on geeking around at home. Others have a life, and
are happy to pay the same price at a Sam's Club for the Fuji system to
do it for them in half an hour.

In case you didn't know, some people use ink refills and third party
photo paper to print their photos. Printing cost is some 20% cheaper
than the photolab for negative film, and that doesn't include the cost
of the film at $5 per roll in bulk for Reala.

And it's done right the first time...almost every run of film at the lab
would require a re-print because of the morons running the system. And
every once in a while they'd screw up a negative, which destroys that
image forever.

And the photolab costs more.
Go see the Aladdin kiosk, and you'll get it. Home printing is awfully
expensive for what you get, and damned inconvenient while doing it.

The Aladdin system may be an improvement, but up here it costs
substantially more than my own prints, and it still takes longer to do
than at home.

And the photolab costs more.

Hmm...let's see...at home it costs less, it's more convenient, it's more
private, it's more secure (I sell some photos), it costs less, it's more
accurate, and it's faster. Oh, did I mention it costs less too?

Nope...for me the only way to go is digital printing at home.
 
A half hour at most...less time than it took me to drive to the
photolab, drop off the film, and return. Of course, the photolab takes
two days, while my own prints are ready in minutes.

I'm not talking about the photo lab. I'm talking about wandering into
Sam's Club, using their Fuji system, going about my Sam's Club business,
and coming back 30 minutes later to pick up my 180 prints. MUCH more
time efficient than doing it at home. And, I've paid $30 or so for
those 180 prints. And, they won't run if they get wet.

Modern technology, specifically the Fuji Aladdin/Frontier system, is
wonderful. If you don't know what that is and how it relates to your
digital camera, you'd be doing yourself a favor to find out.

How much time and money do those 180 prints cost the home user?



In case you didn't know, some people use ink refills and third party
photo paper to print their photos. Printing cost is some 20% cheaper
than the photolab for negative film, and that doesn't include the cost
of the film at $5 per roll in bulk for Reala.

FILM? Who in the hell was talking about FILM? We're all in a digital
world.

Sounds like you're trying to twist things around a bit.

But hey, it sounds like *you're* talking film for yourself. In which
case, comparing film and then home prints to film and then Fuji Frontier
prints is even worse--for your sake.


And it's done right the first time...almost every run of film at the lab
would require a re-print because of the morons running the system. And
every once in a while they'd screw up a negative, which destroys that
image forever.

And the photolab costs more.

Nope. And, you need to get out more. Really. You don't know what's
out there.


The Aladdin system may be an improvement, but up here it costs
substantially more than my own prints, and it still takes longer to do
than at home.

So, you don't know what the Aladdin kiosk is all about. Well, suffice
it to say that you're in for a big surprise. I was serious about 180
prints for about $30.



Hmm...let's see...at home it costs less, it's more convenient, it's more
private, it's more secure (I sell some photos), it costs less, it's more
accurate, and it's faster. Oh, did I mention it costs less too?

No, it doesn't cost less. FACT. Get off your duff and go out into the
world and find that out. You admit that you don't know what the Aladdin
system can do; go find out BEFORE you say anything more.

Once you see it, and once you see the pricing you can get, you'll forget
about printing the bulk of your stuff at home.
 
Just about anywhere, actually. No big deal. Compose it at home, and
have someone print it out.

There's an old saying about Jazz: If you have to ask what it is,
then........
If you have done your own printing---or tried to get someone to do a
custom job for you, then you know that "no big deal" does not apply.
**************************
Mark Herring, Pasadena, Calif.
Private e-mail: Just say no to "No".
 
Mark Herring said:
If you have done your own printing---or tried to get someone to do a
custom job for you, then you know that "no big deal" does not apply.

Obviously, you and I deal with entirely different types of
vendors/providers.
 
Elmo said:
I'm not talking about the photo lab. I'm talking about wandering into
Sam's Club, using their Fuji system, going about my Sam's Club business,
and coming back 30 minutes later to pick up my 180 prints. MUCH more
time efficient than doing it at home. And, I've paid $30 or so for
those 180 prints. And, they won't run if they get wet.

Driving across the border to the US to print out photos...there's one I
haven't thought of yet.

I've seen the Aladdin system...I'm not overly impressed.
Modern technology, specifically the Fuji Aladdin/Frontier system, is
wonderful. If you don't know what that is and how it relates to your
digital camera, you'd be doing yourself a favor to find out.

How much time and money do those 180 prints cost the home user?

Mine work out to about 23 cents (about 17 cents US) per print. Remember
that $30 US is over $39 CDN at pure currency conversion. Costs are
always higher than currency rates.

Do the math...

By the way, my photos are waterproof.
 
The cause for the "flash in the pan" is really simple. The tech people that come around to
adjust the photo machines are not allowed to spend a lot of time making them perfect. They
just get 'em in the neighborhood of a usable print and toddle off to the next place.

If you saw the movie "One Hour Photo" you saw (according to a friend who runs a "one hour
photo place") a very realistic depiction of the "techs" they send out to service the
machines.
Yes, I remember "One Hour Photo" and his frustration with print
quality. I've tried to do everything right, even to embedding the
correct ICC profile for the machine used, but the quality is still
variable, indicating that there's something haywire with the
maintenance. Anymore, I can't depend on either Costco or Sam's to
provide consistent quality, so just use them for creating uncritical
4X6 shots when there are a large number to do.

After ordering a half-gallon ink refill set and a cartridge resetter,
I'm in business with both an Epson 1270 and a 900. The other good
news is that high-quality pigment-based inks can be used with these
older printers, provided the cartridges are flushed out, thus
achieving most of the advantage claimed by the 2200.
 
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