Canon B tray Cd Printing Report

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I bought one of those trays from a guy in Canada a few days ago, (from Ebay)
and following the directions on a website resetting my eprom in the Canon
IP3000, and installing the software again, it works great!

Printed out a dvd-r white inkjet printable today and it looks great.

Now I need to get some silver printables, which looks even better.

I predict that the canon iP series printers will be as popular now amongst
techoids, nerds, geeks and other assorted trash of the WWW as much as the
Philips 624 Dvd player has been!

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Now I need to get some silver printables, which looks even better.

Fair warning. Silvers are a tad tweeky on this series. If you note on
your tray B there is a silver semi-circle above the hub, or was it
below the hub. This denotes small media. Silver discs, being silver,
can confuse the canon and your usual 5 inch print might shrink to 3
inches. I've only seen this a couple of times, only on the ip3000, and
only using cd label print.

Someone else had a similar issue with businesscard media a while back.


The resolution seems to be to use something other than CD Label
print... I have never had this issue in Acoustica. The error was not
consistant, you might not have a problem, but if you do you now know
why.

Verbatium CD-R silvers didn't look so hot on the canon, where I believe
it was either RiData or Prodisc silvers which looked decent.
 
Fair warning. Silvers are a tad tweeky on this series. If you note on
your tray B there is a silver semi-circle above the hub, or was it
below the hub. This denotes small media. Silver discs, being silver,
can confuse the canon and your usual 5 inch print might shrink to 3
inches. I've only seen this a couple of times, only on the ip3000, and
only using cd label print.

Someone else had a similar issue with businesscard media a while back.


The resolution seems to be to use something other than CD Label
print... I have never had this issue in Acoustica. The error was not
consistant, you might not have a problem, but if you do you now know
why.

Verbatium CD-R silvers didn't look so hot on the canon, where I believe
it was either RiData or Prodisc silvers which looked decent.
Click to expand...

Since I discovered Acoustica a couple of years back, I thought I'd died,
gone to heaven and haven't use anything else.

I've had no problems with my 4000 printing on anything, so far. And if
anyone is too lazy to gently push the tray in when the proggie tells you
to, then they need to put down the ****ing big Mac and slurpie and hostess
twinkie and stop blaming their mommy and the food industry for being a
stupid fat pig.

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I've had no problems with my 4000 printing on anything, so far.

What kind of CD tray do you use?

I recently bought a 4000, and also a B tray. Neither have arrived yet,
but I'm hoping that the white-surfaced disks will print well, and that
I won't have to struggle to get it all lined up and working.

Never tried the print-to-disk game yet; should be fun.
 
BD said:
What kind of CD tray do you use?

I recently bought a 4000, and also a B tray. Neither have arrived yet,
but I'm hoping that the white-surfaced disks will print well, and that
I won't have to struggle to get it all lined up and working.

Never tried the print-to-disk game yet; should be fun.
Click to expand...

You will have to peform some manual aligment, or you can print larger
than the disc and blot the extra ink off. On three canons the
alignment has been off as little as .05mm, as high as .7mm using tray
type B. Giving your self an extra mm in diamiter inner and outer
should be enough, but do expect to run off some test discs to align.
You can use the printer's own aligment marks available from the service
mode manual, or use my alignment image which I should take the time to
upload sometime.
 
You will have to peform some manual aligment,

That's okay, as long as I don't have to dial it in each session - ie,
I'd figure it out, maybe sacrificing a few disks in the process (which
is fine, as I have about 20 4x DVDs that I consider dispensible right
now), ... but once I get a setting that 'works', I'd hope that the
printer/software/ whatever I'm adjusting will retain the setting, so I
don't have to worry about it after initially getting it sorted.

Is that a fair expectation, or are you suggesting that with the B tray
the results won't be particularly _consistent_?
 
BD said:
Is that a fair expectation, or are you suggesting that with the B tray
the results won't be particularly _consistent_?
Click to expand...

Oh, total consistent, only that you will either have to take the time
and adjust the thing to center manualy, or just print slightly larger
than the disc. You can use the same disc several times to align it.

This is a pain in Canon's software as it maxes out at 118mm. Verbatium
offer 119mm discs which are not covered by CD-labelprint's range.
However it's no issue in accoustica, and accoustica permits finner
adjustments.

It is "possible" to hard code this adjustment in the printer. I forget
how descrete you can adjust it, i've never bothered. My mp760 for
exaimple is like .7mm top left -.3. My ip5200 on tray type b left
-.05mm or so, just a hair.
 
zakezuke said:
BD wrote:




Oh, total consistent, only that you will either have to take the time
and adjust the thing to center manualy, or just print slightly larger
than the disc. You can use the same disc several times to align it.

This is a pain in Canon's software as it maxes out at 118mm. Verbatium
offer 119mm discs which are not covered by CD-labelprint's range.
However it's no issue in accoustica, and accoustica permits finner
adjustments.

It is "possible" to hard code this adjustment in the printer. I forget
how descrete you can adjust it, i've never bothered. My mp760 for
exaimple is like .7mm top left -.3. My ip5200 on tray type b left
-.05mm or so, just a hair.
Click to expand...


Follow-up on my "Great Canon CD Tray Caper"...

I did make my own tray, very nice looking, spent a lot of time on it. My
iP5000, however, spit it out on first attempt. No big deal as I didn't
really need to make it. I had already ordered a real one and only built
it while waiting for my orders to arrive. I bought the tray along with
the optional roller assembly bracket (sold separately on eBay). I highly
recommend getting the additional bracket with rollers as they help guide
the tray, pressing it down slightly so it won't lift up and so on. The
whole deal cost me "nothing" since I used the money I saved by using
aftermarket inks instead of OEM ones.

Printer setup was a piece of cake. Minor button pushing as per
instructions posted (also included from the seller), and a reload of the
printer driver. CDLabelPrint software is too limiting for my often fancy
design work. But it's great for those requiring not much more than a
couple of frames of text, etc. Instead, I figured out how to use it with
my desktop publishing software - Serif PagePlus.

1. Page Setup (in Serif) - set to "CD-R tray B"
2. Printer Properties (in Print window) - set Media to "Printable disc
(recommended)"
3. Page size (in Print window) to - "CDR-tray B"

Then it's only a simple matter of finding the disc on the page (trial
and error). I created a white 1 inch circle with a yellow outline and
sent it to print, using a scrap disc with a cheap white paper label
glued on. By luck and intuition I was only off by an inch on the
horizontal and a quarter inch in the vertical. Once I found the exact
center (3 or 4 tries), I created larger yellow circles to mark the
limits of the printable disc. They work fine with a white background but
I may have to alter them slightly (a bit smaller) when I use a color
background.

One major problem. My ip5000 would smudge the labels with minor brush-
like smudges of black ink. It would happen every time. I then set the
"Prevent Paper Abrasion" in Maintenance Custom Settings. It helped a bit
but the labels were still slightly smudged. I removed the cartridges and
printhead and thoroughly cleaned the bottom of the printhead assembly.
That didn't help, it smudged slightly in the very first attempt. Since
any smudging is totally unacceptable in high quality work, I decided to
then setup and activate my other printer, the iP4000, for the CD tray.
Setup went fine and everything worked right away. The first test worked
perfectly, there was no smudging, and I never even set the "prevent
paper abrasion" setting. So I have to assume the iP5000 is a bit buggy
somewhere. It does print paper labels and photos very cleanly, though
pages sometimes get smudged slightly when I print them in booklet
format. Strange. But that's why I keep extra printers: when 1 fails to
do the job as it should, the other takes over. Nice to have options!

I had wanted the tray to work with the iP5000 because of its superior
printing capability, over the iP4000. But when I set the properties to
print at the very highest resolution on the iP5000, I noticed it was
printing much too fast to be at 9,800 dpi. Seems like the limit is High
Quality (4800 dpi) on either printer. Quality looked very nice (though
smudged) on my Maxell matte printable discs. Should work fine and clean
with the iP4000, based on one rough test print :-)

So on the whole I am very happy that all worked out well in my Great
Canon Tray Caper. I now have a choice of printing either paper labels or
directly on printable CDR/DVDs.

-Taliesyn
 
I bought the tray along with
the optional roller assembly bracket (sold separately on eBay). I highly
recommend getting the additional bracket with rollers as they help guide
the tray, pressing it down slightly so it won't lift up and so on.
Click to expand...

So... do you just occasionally see these bracket kits popping up on
eBay? I should likely get one, but I don't see a listing. Might be
searching for the wrong thing, though...
 
BD said:
So... do you just occasionally see these bracket kits popping up on
eBay? I should likely get one, but I don't see a listing. Might be
searching for the wrong thing, though...
Click to expand...

Yes, I just checked. My seller for the roller brackets isn't posting at
the moment (no trays either from the tray seller). Bummer. When I bought
mine the eBay the ad indicated he had a quantity of 6 roller brackets.
So when they're gone, they're gone until he receives another batch from
overseas, I gather. Keep monitoring eBay, these sales are an ongoing
thing because of demand from Canon owners.

-Taliesyn
 
Keep monitoring eBay, these sales are an ongoing
thing because of demand from Canon owners.
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Roger roger. And it sounds like these things _help_ the CD printing,
but are not necessarily _critical_ to it working; so I can probably get
by without it for a little while.
I wonder if I were to contact your seller and ask him to let me know
when he gets more in...
 
BD said:
Roger roger. And it sounds like these things _help_ the CD printing,
but are not necessarily _critical_ to it working; so I can probably get
by without it for a little while.
I wonder if I were to contact your seller and ask him to let me know
when he gets more in...
Click to expand...

You can totally get away without the rollers. They assist in sucking
in the tray, they also are likely to asist in keeping the tray flat,
which might explain the issue with the ip5000. Most users i've spoken
to say they have no problems witht he printer accepting the tray
without the rollers, I'm one of the few who had an issue and only on my
ip3000.

Get one if you like, don't get one, it's up to you.
 
So... do you just occasionally see these bracket kits popping up on
eBay? I should likely get one, but I don't see a listing. Might be
searching for the wrong thing, though...
Click to expand...

Search "canon CD tray". Be sure to get tray B.
 
Search "canon CD tray". Be sure to get tray B.
Click to expand...

As the knight atop the castle said, 'I already got one! Woa yes, it's
a-verry nice-uhh!'

(Sorry - bad Python reference).

Yes, I do have tray B. I don't have the rollers for it, though.

Mmmm... one Canadian seller indicates that most canon printers don't
need the rollers. Which is also the indication I get here. It helps,
but it's not critical. So I'll wait it out.
 
What kind of CD tray do you use?

I recently bought a 4000, and also a B tray. Neither have arrived yet,
but I'm hoping that the white-surfaced disks will print well, and that
I won't have to struggle to get it all lined up and working.

Never tried the print-to-disk game yet; should be fun.
Click to expand...

I have a stack of whites and of silvers, and have had no problems with
either.

The tray though, bends and distorts easily so store it flat, not on it's
side or leaning sideways.
The printer will spit it back out if it's warped at bit.

Now I can store all my warez and movies and stuff and fine print label
everything on the disc itself!
How many times have you found a disk laying around with nothing on in and
had to insert it to read it to find out wtf is on it?

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b{-_-}d

I'm listening!

---Mapanari---
 
Oh, total consistent, only that you will either have to take the time
and adjust the thing to center manualy, or just print slightly larger
than the disc. You can use the same disc several times to align it.

This is a pain in Canon's software as it maxes out at 118mm. Verbatium
offer 119mm discs which are not covered by CD-labelprint's range.
However it's no issue in accoustica, and accoustica permits finner
adjustments.

It is "possible" to hard code this adjustment in the printer. I forget
how descrete you can adjust it, i've never bothered. My mp760 for
exaimple is like .7mm top left -.3. My ip5200 on tray type b left
-.05mm or so, just a hair.
Click to expand...

I get perfect writes becuase I use Acoustic label Maker, which has built in
canon tray specs in it's data base of lables, sizes etc.


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I'm listening!

---Mapanari---
 
Mapanari said:
I get perfect writes becuase I use Acoustic label Maker, which has built in
canon tray specs in it's data base of lables, sizes etc.
Click to expand...

Acoustica, like Canon's CD label print, depends on tray alignment for
proper printing. There "IS" a margin of error between printers using
the same tray. This margin typicaly is under 1mm. For example, I
printed using acoustica recently on my MP760, where I normaly would use
CD label print and jpegs from photoshop. It's alignment is identical
to cd label print, it's off by 1.2mm and .5mm.

Your IP series is typicaly off by under 1mm top and side. This is
pretty good and to be expected. You can either take the time to
measure this, over print, or just ignore it.
 
Mapanari said:
@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com:




I get perfect writes becuase I use Acoustic label Maker, which has built in
canon tray specs in it's data base of lables, sizes etc.
Click to expand...

Most labelmakers I've seen are good for beginners; that is, they have
just the very basic elements like add a text frame, insert picture. I'm
way beyond that limitation. I made my own "Tray B" setup in Serif
PagePlus, a full-featured desktop publishing program. This wonderful
program sets no limits to my creativity. I can gradiate colors, 3D,
shadows, write on a curve - you name it.

-Taliesyn
 
Most labelmakers I've seen are good for beginners; that is, they have
just the very basic elements like add a text frame, insert picture. I'm
way beyond that limitation. I made my own "Tray B" setup in Serif
PagePlus, a full-featured desktop publishing program. This wonderful
program sets no limits to my creativity. I can gradiate colors, 3D,
shadows, write on a curve - you name it.

-Taliesyn
Click to expand...

You're very special.

But, for most people, we're not trying to do hologram forgeries for shady
Taiwanese and Chinese warez factories.
All we want t do is label our cds and dvds.

Sometimes I even get covers and make exact duplicates of my cds!

But, most of the time, it's easier to read a quick templated printed label
on my dvd than my chickenscratching.


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