I recall having the same problem with re-naming
recently moved folders, hence the 'empty' ones
with the wrong names, needing deletion.
Same question.....what's going on?
Adjust your clock, you're posting in the future.
As mentioned by Andrew, the application that you use to rename or delete
files may be keeping an open handle on the files or folders. Tools like
OH.exe, Handle or Process Explorer can reveal the handles.
Process Explorer for Windows v10.21
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/utilities/ProcessExplorer.mspx
Handle v3.20
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/ProcessesAndThreads/Handle.mspx
Open Handles (oh.exe): This command-line tool shows the handles of all
open windows. The tool can also be used to show only information that
relates to a specific process, object type, or object name. To download
this tool, click the following link:
http://download.microsoft.com/download/win2000platform/oh/1.00.0.1/nt5/en-us/oh_setup.exe
Windows Server 2003 Resource Kit Tools
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...69-57ff-4ae7-96ee-b18c4790cffd&displaylang=en
legg said:Eastern Daylight Savings Time...seems to check out
from this end, and on all message time stamps.
No special processes being used. Just explorer.
Will give the recommended tools a try.
Checking permissions was the first thing I tried.
This thing is not yet on a network; there are no
users set up, save the administrator and no
sharing has been assigned.
No such trouble on the machine the files
originated from (via hard disk temporary
relocation), and in many specific cases these
were/are new folders and files created for
updating hardware drivers.
I'd updated the time displayed, manually. HaveAdjust your clock, you're posting in the future.
As mentioned by Andrew, the application that you use to rename or delete
files may be keeping an open handle on the files or folders. Tools like
OH.exe, Handle or Process Explorer can reveal the handles.
Process Explorer for Windows v10.21
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/utilities/ProcessExplorer.mspx
Handle v3.20
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/ProcessesAndThreads/Handle.mspx
Open Handles (oh.exe): This command-line tool shows the handles of all
open windows. The tool can also be used to show only information that
relates to a specific process, object type, or object name. To download
this tool, click the following link:
http://download.microsoft.com/download/win2000platform/oh/1.00.0.1/nt5/en-us/oh_setup.exe
Windows Server 2003 Resource Kit Tools
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...69-57ff-4ae7-96ee-b18c4790cffd&displaylang=en
legg said:I'd updated the time displayed, manually. Have
just run the DST patch. Perhaps this helps time
stamps. My news agent may have a mind of its own.
Running SysInternal's Process Explorer reveals no
handles.
Folders whose contents are emptied/transferred can
still not be deleted, until reboot.
I disabled some Seagate acronis disk imaging tools
that were hovering in the background, without
effect. Open processes are listed below.
RL
Process PID CPU Description Company
Name
System Idle Process 0 98.44
Interrupts n/a 1.56 Hardware
Interrupts
DPCs n/a Deferred Procedure Calls
System 8
SMSS.EXE 384 Windows NT Session
Manager Microsoft Corporation
CSRSS.EXE 412 Client Server
Runtime Process Microsoft Corporation
WINLOGON.EXE 432 Windows NT Logon
Application Microsoft Corporation
SERVICES.EXE 460 Services
and Controller app Microsoft Corporation
svchost.exe 648 Generic
Host Process for Win32 Services Microsoft
Corporation
spoolsv.exe 688 Spooler
SubSystem App Microsoft Corporation
schedul2.exe 716 Acronis
Scheduler 2 Acronis
svchost.exe 756 Generic
Host Process for Win32 Services Microsoft
Corporation
FormatM.exe 788 MacOpener
Mac Formatter DataViz Inc.
nod32krn.exe 812 NOD32
Kernel Service Eset
nvsvc32.exe 872 NVIDIA
Driver Helper Service, Version 91.48 NVIDIA
Corporation
PERSFW.exe 884 Kerio Personal
Firewall Engine Kerio Technologies
regsvc.exe 564 Remote Registry
Service Microsoft Corporation
mstask.exe 932 Task Scheduler
Engine Microsoft Corporation
WinMgmt.exe 996 Windows
Management Instrumentation Microsoft
Corporation
svchost.exe 1072 Generic
Host Process for Win32 Services Microsoft
Corporation
LSASS.EXE 472 LSA Executable and
Server DLL (Export Version) Microsoft
Corporation
procexp.exe 1324 Sysinternals
Process Explorer Sysinternals -
www.sysinternals.com
agent.exe 1680 Forte Agent Forte
Internet Software Inc.
explorer.exe 1292 Windows Explorer
Microsoft Corporation
What are these undeletable folders? What error messages are you getting
when you try to delete them? How about the Event Viewer, are any errors
showing in the logs?
How are you deleting the files and folders, with Explorer.exe or with
another application? Can you use the RD command at the command prompt
to delete the folders? If no what does the RD command return?
Try using the Task Manager and Kill Explorer.exe and its process tree,
then, using the File | New Task menu, restart Explorer.exe again and see
if you can delete the folders.
Try the other Handle tools on the actual folders to make sure that there
are no handles on the folders, try using OH.exe on the actual folder
instead of querying processes.
What are these undeletable folders? What error messages are you getting
when you try to delete them? How about the Event Viewer, are any errors
showing in the logs?
Attempts to use the OH.exe resulted in rapid
display and termination of the dos window that
were unreadable and left no identifiable log
results.
legg said:I disabled some Seagate acronis disk imaging tools
that were hovering in the background, without
effect. Open processes are listed below.
System Idle Process
System
SMSS.EXE
CSRSS.EXE
WINLOGON.EXE
SERVICES.EXE
svchost.exe
spoolsv.exe
schedul2.exe Acronis
Scheduler 2 Acronis
svchost.exe
FormatM.exe MacOpener Mac Formatter DataViz Inc.
nod32krn.exe NOD32 Kernel Service Eset
nvsvc32.exe NVIDIA Driver Helper Service,
PERSFW.exe Kerio Personal Firewall Engine
**********************************************
regsvc.exe Remote Registry Service
**********************************************
Why do you have this running? Is your machine part of a domain or is it
administered remotely by another machine on a LAN? It most probably has
nothing to do with your folder deletion problem but this service should
not be running unless you have very good reasons to want it running, for
most parts it just presents an additional unwanted security risk.
*************************************************
legg said:The nearest it gets to a network is in sharing a NAT router.
There are a lot of processes I'd like to unload from start-up, but this
isn't one I can currently access through familiar methods.
legg said:I ran handle.exe v3.3 from the command prompt on an undeletable folder,
created earlier, solely to illustrate the problem:
Handle C:\DOCS\BUSINESS\APPS080317
This returned 13 nearly identical entrys:
explorer.exe PID: 1292 XXX: C:\DOCS\BUSINESS\APPS080317
where XXX is
9C0
9F0
A40
A54
A5C
AC0
ACC
AD0
B04
B0C
B24
B48
B50
This empty folder;
IS currently in it's the original location as listed above;
WAS apparently relocated earlier into C:\DOCS\ (with warnings);
WAS deleted from that new location;
and
DOES currently appear in the recycle bin.
What the hell is going on?
It can be disabled or set to Manual Start in the Services Management
Console, to open the console enter services.msc in the Start Menu Run box.
Those are just handle ID's, normal but it seems that Explorer has a lot
of open handles on one empty folder. You can run the Handle command
against the process or PID to find out more about the handles:
handle -p 1292
The Explorer PID was obtained from the first output of the command or it
can be obtained from the Task Manager or TLIST command.
You can use the Handle command or Process Explorer to kill the handle
but beware the warning that killing handles may make the system unstable.
legg said:Perhaps I should have mentioned that this machine is involved in a
distributed computing initiative, running cancer and aids number crunching
as background activity, controlled by a World Community Grid BOINC Client.
This might have the need for the remote registry service, but regsvc.exe is
not open in a WXP machine running the same activity.
Regsvc.exe was terminated manually yesterday evening, without rebooting,
via TaskInfo. This A.M. it is running again.
Also this A.M. the BOINC client is erratic, squegging to 100% processor
use, then nothing at ~ 3second rep rate, and the machine's monitor is awake
and prevented from going into normal power saving routine (no screen saver
is used). Normally the display monitor self extinguished after 15minutes
without keyboard or mouse activity. Normally the BOINC activity
self-throttles at 80% when not at minimal use (during communication
events). I will be looking to the WCGrid for advice on this particular
issue, if it continues.