Can fax/modem work with ADSL connex on??

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I have a WXP SP3 desktop with a built in fax/modem.
And a Broadband ADSL Router/Modem>
I looped the ph line1 of my ADSL Router thru my in/out fax/modem
socket onto my phone device.
I want to know if I can keep my ADSL broadband connection line running while
I will be using my XP/fax to send and recaive faxes..???
Thanks a lot.
Regards
 
aaltinalmazis said:
I have a WXP SP3 desktop with a built in fax/modem.
And a Broadband ADSL Router/Modem>
I looped the ph line1 of my ADSL Router thru my in/out fax/modem
socket onto my phone device.
I want to know if I can keep my ADSL broadband connection line running while
I will be using my XP/fax to send and recaive faxes..???
Thanks a lot.
Regards
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DSL and phone service (including fax) can coexist on the same wire as
long as they are properly separated. This can either be done with a
splitter at the interface where the phone line comes into your house or
with filters for *each* telephone device.

I don't know what you mean by "ph line1" of your DSL modem, but if you
mean that you connected it like this:

wall outlet --> fax modem (IN) --> fax modem (OUT) --> DSL modem

it won't work.

What you want is something like this:

wall outlet --> duplex adapter --> DSL modem
|
DSL filter --> fax (IN) --> fax (0UT) --> telephone

A "duplex adapter" is one of these: www.weitbrecht.com/images/P/y-jack.jpg

--
Lem -- MS-MVP

To the moon and back with 2K words of RAM and 36K words of ROM.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Guidance_Computer
http://history.nasa.gov/afj/compessay.htm
 
Yes I have a "duplex adapter" otherwise called and splitter in between my
wall outlet and my DSL Modem/Router,which has 2 phone sockets PH1 and Ph2 .
I thereon connect ph1 outlet of my DSL/modem to the fax (in) socket with a
filter and theron from fax (out) to my telephone device.
Checked weitbrecht site re "duplex adapter" which says:
This Duplex Modular Telephone Adapter allows you to create two slots for
phone cords in one telephone wall jack. Recommended for use with signalers,
ringers and answer machines
 
Yes, with this configuration, you should be able to both use the telephone
and send faxes while the DSL connection is running.

Hal
--
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Senior Engineer/MIS -- MS MVP-Print/Imaging -- WA7BGX
http://www.kvoa.com -- "When News breaks, we fix it!"
KVOA Television, Tucson, AZ. NBC Channel 4
Live at Hot Licks - www.badnewsbluesband.com
 
Hi!!Lem & Hol
Have applied your recommendations and now ADSL and fax/modem coexist.
Thereon tried to install WXP built in fax services but failed.
The Wizard asks me to install "WXP Home Edition SP3 CD"
Which I dont have it. I have however installed SP3 update.
Therefore I activated BVRP Fax/tools application which
has recognized my fax/modem drivers and it works OK.
But I cannot sent faxes because the diagnostic tells me
that "no dial tone" Line down on last attempt.
Can this defect be on my line or the recipients line??
I tried to send a fax to 2 different recepients without success.
Please assist.
Regards
--
altkon


Hal Hostetler said:
Yes, with this configuration, you should be able to both use the telephone
and send faxes while the DSL connection is running.

Hal
--
Hal Hostetler, CPBE -- (e-mail address removed)
Senior Engineer/MIS -- MS MVP-Print/Imaging -- WA7BGX
http://www.kvoa.com -- "When News breaks, we fix it!"
KVOA Television, Tucson, AZ. NBC Channel 4
Live at Hot Licks - www.badnewsbluesband.com
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I have even selected "BVRP fax capture" as my default
fax tool from the "faxes and Printers" option of the WXP
Start menu.
But still cannot succeed to send a fax because of of "delayed transmission"
due to "No dial tone"..Remark.
Please assist,
Thks a lot.
Andre

--
altkon


Hal Hostetler said:
Yes, with this configuration, you should be able to both use the telephone
and send faxes while the DSL connection is running.

Hal
--
Hal Hostetler, CPBE -- (e-mail address removed)
Senior Engineer/MIS -- MS MVP-Print/Imaging -- WA7BGX
http://www.kvoa.com -- "When News breaks, we fix it!"
KVOA Television, Tucson, AZ. NBC Channel 4
Live at Hot Licks - www.badnewsbluesband.com
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aaltinalmazis said:
Hi!!Lem & Hol
Have applied your recommendations and now ADSL and fax/modem coexist.
Thereon tried to install WXP built in fax services but failed.
The Wizard asks me to install "WXP Home Edition SP3 CD"
Which I dont have it. I have however installed SP3 update.
Therefore I activated BVRP Fax/tools application which
has recognized my fax/modem drivers and it works OK.
But I cannot sent faxes because the diagnostic tells me
that "no dial tone" Line down on last attempt.
Can this defect be on my line or the recipients line??
I tried to send a fax to 2 different recepients without success.
Please assist.
Regards
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The FAXFAQ explains where to find "missing" fax install files (and you
shouldn't have needed a "SP3" CD, either):
http://members.shaw.ca/bsanders/FAQFAX.htm

In order to trouble shoot your setup, temporarily connect your fax modem
directly to the wall jack (no dial tone refers to *your* line). If you
get a dial tone and that fax works when directly connected to the phone
line, you can start adding things in between the wall and the fax modem
until it stops working, at which point you'll know where the problem lies.

--
Lem -- MS-MVP

To the moon and back with 2K words of RAM and 36K words of ROM.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Guidance_Computer
http://history.nasa.gov/afj/compessay.htm
 
I cannot connect to the walljack directly because I have a Voip Internet ADSL
connection, the only think I can do is to loop thru the phone exit of my
splitter which connected to the wall jack while I keep connected with my
Modem/Router out of the ADSL exit of the splitter.
Anyway here are some of the "Modem exchanges" recorded:
15:29:40,71 Phone_Register
15:29:40,73 InitApplication Start
15:29:40,79 lineInitialize ret = 0, NbModems = 7
15:29:40,82 IpH323_config_write WithIPVideo 0 bIPActiv 0
15:29:40,85 ZoneInfo.Bias -120, ZoneInfo.StandardBias 0,
ZoneInfo.DaylightBias -60
15:29:40,85 TimeZone -7200, DayLight 1, DstBias -3600
15:29:40,85 23/06/2008 15:29 (Heure locale PC)
15:29:40,85 23/06/2008 12:29 (UTC)
15:29:40,85 23/06/2008 14:29 (Local)
15:29:40,85 23/06/2008 15:29 (Local DST)
15:29:40,87 End com_register szVerStr LG
15:29:40,87 C:\Program Files\FaxTools\Phone.ini
15:29:40,90 InitApplication End
15:29:40,96 Main_OnACActivate 1
15:29:43,46 lineOpen ret = 0, OWNER
15:29:44,14 lineMakeCall ret = 10220, hcall = 101FD
15:29:44,29 Modem <Zoom V.92 PCI Voice Faxmodem> State ConnectTapi = 3
15:29:44,76 Open modem <Zoom V.92 PCI Voice Faxmodem> driver <* CONEXANT
Voice 56K HSF>
15:29:44,76 lineGetID ret = 0, hEventCommTapiEm = 00000254
15:29:44,76 Modem <Zoom V.92 PCI Voice Faxmodem> Device not compatible with
ACPI
15:29:44,76 data reception init...
15:29:44,79 DTR off
15:29:44,82 RTS off
15:29:44,85 Wait...
15:29:45,42 Modem <Zoom V.92 PCI Voice Faxmodem> State ConnectTapi = 4
15:29:45,98 DTR on
15:29:46,01 RTS on
15:29:46,04 Wait...
15:29:47,17 --> AT Z<CR>
15:29:47,51 <-- OK
15:29:47,54 BR = 230400 8N1
15:29:47,57 --> AT &F E0 H0 Q0 V1 X4 &C1 S7=140<CR>
15:29:47,92 <-- AT &F E0 H0 Q0 V1 X4 &C1 S7=140
15:29:47,95 <-- OK
15:29:47,95 --> AT S0=0 &D2<CR>
15:29:48,32 <-- OK
15:29:48,35 --> AT+VCID=1<CR>
15:29:48,62 Wait...
15:29:48,70 <-- OK
15:29:48,70 --> ATM1<CR>
15:29:49,07 <-- OK
15:29:49,10 --> AT+VDR=1,20<CR>
15:29:49,37 Wait...
15:29:49,45 <-- OK
15:29:49,76 lineDrop
15:29:50,31 Modem <Zoom V.92 PCI Voice Faxmodem> State ConnectTapi = 8
15:29:54,18 lineMakeCall ret = 101CA, hcall = 101A8
15:29:54,21 lineGetID ret = 0
15:29:54,25 fax init...
15:29:54,28 DTR off
15:29:54,31 RTS off
15:29:54,34 Wait...
15:29:54,81 Modem <Zoom V.92 PCI Voice Faxmodem> State ConnectTapi = 4
15:29:55,50 DTR on
15:29:55,53 RTS on
15:29:55,56 Wait...
15:29:56,68 --> AT Z<CR>
15:29:56,78 <-- OK
15:29:56,81 BR = 38
 
Lem is suggesting unplugging the Fax modem from the splitter and plugging in
a standard analog telephone. The sole purpose of the splitter is to feed
the digital ADSL signal to the ADSL "modem", while providing an analog voice
circuit to an analog telephone, fax device, etc. If you connect an analog
telephone to the splitter in place of the modem, you should get a dialtone
when you lift the receiver. Please note that installing and using third
party fax applications can sometimes change the initialization strings that
Windows uses to setup the modem for use (these are "AT" commands placed in
the registry when Windows loads the drivers for the modem; Symantec WinFax
is one of the biggest offenders), so be careful installing one of these as
it can render XP Fax unusable. Also note that not all VoIP systems will
allow fax transmission. Some VoIP providers charge extra to allow fax
traffic in addition to voice traffic. By VoIP provider, I refer to folks
like Vonage who provide voice telephone capabilities to broadband Internet
connections that DO NOT have integrated voice circuitry - cable Internet
falls into this category, however, ADSL usually does not as it piggybacks on
an analog voice telephone line

Hal
--
Hal Hostetler, CPBE -- (e-mail address removed)
Senior Engineer/MIS -- MS MVP-Print/Imaging -- WA7BGX
http://www.kvoa.com -- "When News breaks, we fix it!"
KVOA Television, Tucson, AZ. NBC Channel 4
Live at Hot Licks - www.badnewsbluesband.com
 
AAA.I want to find out what you mean by saying:

"Please note that installing and using third
party fax applications can sometimes change the initialization strings that
Windows uses to setup the modem for use (these are "AT" commands placed in
the registry when Windows loads the drivers for the modem; Symantec WinFax
is one of the biggest offenders), so be careful installing one of these as
it can render XP Fax unusable."
Should I conclude that my "BVRP Capture fax" falls under the same category,
and therefore I should Uninstall it in order to render XP Fax usable again.

BBB) "If you connect an analog telephone to the splitter in place of the
modem, you should get a dialtone when you lift the receiver".
That is correct because both my standard telephone deck devices get a
dialtone.When I have them connected to the PH1 & and PH2 outlets of my ADSL
Modem/Router whereas the fax/modem cannot.

CCC) "Also note that not all VoIP systems will allow fax transmission"
Ours does, because a friend of mine that has connected a Fax machine thru
the same set up it works unfailingly.

DDD) "Lem is suggesting unplugging the Fax modem from the splitter and
plugging in a standard analog telephone"
I am sorry but what Lem was proposing, went as follows:

"In order to trouble shoot your setup, temporarily connect your fax modem
directly to the wall jack (no dial tone refers to *your* line). If you
get a dial tone and that fax works when directly connected to the phone
line, you can start adding things in between the wall and the fax modem
until it stops working, at which point you'll know where the problem lies."

Too many options and I am confused what to chose
from...AAA)..BBB)..CCC)..DDD)..

Anyway I appreciate your efforts to try to come up with a solution.

Thanks a lot,
Regards,
Andre

--
altkon


Hal Hostetler said:
Lem is suggesting unplugging the Fax modem from the splitter and plugging in
a standard analog telephone. The sole purpose of the splitter is to feed
the digital ADSL signal to the ADSL "modem", while providing an analog voice
circuit to an analog telephone, fax device, etc. If you connect an analog
telephone to the splitter in place of the modem, you should get a dialtone
when you lift the receiver. Please note that installing and using third
party fax applications can sometimes change the initialization strings that
Windows uses to setup the modem for use (these are "AT" commands placed in
the registry when Windows loads the drivers for the modem; Symantec WinFax
is one of the biggest offenders), so be careful installing one of these as
it can render XP Fax unusable. Also note that not all VoIP systems will
allow fax transmission. Some VoIP providers charge extra to allow fax
traffic in addition to voice traffic. By VoIP provider, I refer to folks
like Vonage who provide voice telephone capabilities to broadband Internet
connections that DO NOT have integrated voice circuitry - cable Internet
falls into this category, however, ADSL usually does not as it piggybacks on
an analog voice telephone line

Hal
--
Hal Hostetler, CPBE -- (e-mail address removed)
Senior Engineer/MIS -- MS MVP-Print/Imaging -- WA7BGX
http://www.kvoa.com -- "When News breaks, we fix it!"
KVOA Television, Tucson, AZ. NBC Channel 4
Live at Hot Licks - www.badnewsbluesband.com
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