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Livewire
Can anyone recommend a good bulk email sender, please?
Thanks
Thanks
C
Charles D. Bohne
I could, but I won't ... there is enough spam around nowadays.
C.
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Bob Adkins
Man, you've got chutzpa asking for a bulk e-mailer on this site. And look at
your e-mail address with a "NOSPAM" munge. What gall!
Get thee behind me spammer!
Bob
Remove "kins" from address to reply.
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Kerry Liles
Well, not all people who send "bulk" email are spammers... It depends on one's
definition of "bulk". Perhaps the OP is sending a newsletter to several hundred
members of an organization and has not been enjoying the lack of useful features
in Lookout Express etc.
If they ARE a spammer, then I agree, but if not ...
definition of "bulk". Perhaps the OP is sending a newsletter to several hundred
members of an organization and has not been enjoying the lack of useful features
in Lookout Express etc.
If they ARE a spammer, then I agree, but if not ...
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MightyKitten
As of yet, I've not seen a case were bulk mailing is welcomed, even not vor
legimate things like e-zines. Instead, you shuld take a look here:
http://spam.abuse.net/marketerhelp/
Success with your (hopefully) spam free business.
MightyKitten
legimate things like e-zines. Instead, you shuld take a look here:
http://spam.abuse.net/marketerhelp/
Success with your (hopefully) spam free business.
MightyKitten
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Livewire
I'm not into spamming -- anything but!!
I have a regular list of about 300 clients who I need to send regular
updates to. All I want is a program to do that, without having to BCC
them all.
There are lots of programs on freeware sites, so it would be a pretty
dumb spammer who couldn't find one! All I'm looking for is suggestions
as to which is best.
K
Karen
=======================Livewire said:
I see you have your own email address tweaked to avoid spam but you'd send
it to others?
Karen
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Steven Burn
Livewire said:
Due to my own going down recently, I had to find one so I could send today's
newsletter. I finally settled on Vallen-Emaler (www.vallen.de/freeware)
until I get round to re-writing my own. It's small, fast, and a "no-install"
(The program uses a standard text file for the address's so you may want to
do what I've done and stick the file into a passworded .zip file on a floppy
diskette (I then stick the floppy into a locked safe, so no-one can access
it without 2 layers of protection to get past, one of which requiring access
to my actual home, and not just the PC)).
--
Regards
Steven Burn
Ur I.T. Mate Group
www.it-mate.co.uk
Keeping it FREE!
Disclaimer:
I know I'm probably wrong, I just like taking part ;o)
T
Tiger
All bulk emails are not spam. Have you heard of newsletters? I
myself subscribe to several.
R
Richard
Best sig I've seen.
D
Duddits
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Karen
==========================Tiger said:
Yes, I've heard of them and how hard some are to get yourself removed from.
I guess I was feeling "extra" evil after deleting over 200 spam messages in
my spam-trap folder. And that's only for the past week. >
(Karen...
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Steven Burn
Karen said:Yes, I've heard of them and how hard some are to get yourself removed from.
I guess I was feeling "extra" evil after deleting over 200 spam messages in
my spam-trap folder. And that's only for the past week. >
Karen...
Only 200?, I get twice that per hour, let alone per week.
--
Regards
Steven Burn
Ur I.T. Mate Group
www.it-mate.co.uk
Keeping it FREE!
Disclaimer:
I know I'm probably wrong, I just like taking part ;o)
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Roger Johansson
I get less than 5 per year.
I think one should change email address as soon as the old one is
compromised. That is the best defense against spam.
It is also a way of reducing un-necessary traffic on the net. If the
spammers have no email accounts to send to they wouldn't feel encouraged to
continue.
I have a couple of new email accounts ready to change to also, testing them
out to see if they are clean.
If you really need a public email address you can use a redirection
service, they are good at filtering spam.
Give people your public address via a web page, protected in the ways that
are possible on a web page.
Make the spammers work a little extra you to reach you.
That is acceptable for the people who really want to reach you, to maybe
have to use a web form and go via a redirection service to come into
contact with you.
To get back to the subject, I wanted a bulk email sender too.
I write articles for newspapers and need to send new articles to a bunch of
newspapers, typically 20-30 different ones in a list, so a bulk email
program comes in handy.
I already had another one but I will try this new one too, to see if it is
better somehow.
--
Roger J. (No Emails)
If there was no training in "awareness" there would be no need for
"awareness". It is system for social dominance and for using love as a
centrally stimulating drug. Anger plus strong conviction creates a feeling
of power and promotes deviousness.
B
Bob Adkins
Usenet seems to be the worst way to compromise your e-mail address. Believe
it or not, just munging my e-mail address (see below) cut my spam from over
200 per day to about 70 in 3 weeks time. It's cheesy, and I hated to do it,
but it worked.
Bob
Remove "kins" from address to reply.
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Onno Tasler
Roger Johansson scribebat:
That is just changing it from being your problem to being someone elses
problem: If everyone does that, how long do you think there will be
clean e-mail addresses you can change to?
The opposite is true:
When your e-mail address does not exist, any spam message sent to it
will bounce. That means: Each non existing address doubles the traffic.
Spammer will just add new addresses to their database, but usually never
check whether they work or not. Not to mention that most spam mails have
faked senders: The spammer will not even become aware of how many
addresses bounced. (But you might, if he used your address as sender)
bye,
Onno
That is just changing it from being your problem to being someone elses
problem: If everyone does that, how long do you think there will be
clean e-mail addresses you can change to?
The opposite is true:
When your e-mail address does not exist, any spam message sent to it
will bounce. That means: Each non existing address doubles the traffic.
Spammer will just add new addresses to their database, but usually never
check whether they work or not. Not to mention that most spam mails have
faked senders: The spammer will not even become aware of how many
addresses bounced. (But you might, if he used your address as sender)
bye,
Onno
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Roger Johansson
The number of possible email addresses is astronomic, maybe a billion
billions or so. Think of all the possible combinations of usernames and
mail server domain numbers.
Are you serious or are you joking?
I have no non-existing email address, so what are you talking about?
Maybe the extra account I am forced to use in newsgroups because of the
rules at the berlin newsserver?
It is not my choice to use a spam account at an existing domain. If I had
any say I would use a nonexisting domain in usenet. Then the spammers mails
would bounce already in their own local dns-servers and never get out on
the net.
If the only addresses they could get hold of had false domains they could
not send any emails, because they could not find the addresses through
their local name servers.
So the damage they could do would only harm themselves and their local
network, overloading their own dns-server maybe.
O
Onno Tasler
Roger Johansson scribebat:
I am serious - the number of internet users is gigantic as well. If
everyone behaved as you do, there would soon be most easy rememberable
addresses used up. You know the story about the wise man who wanted
nothing but a chess board with rice as reward? This works the same way.
If you stop using an address, cancel it, than it will be a non-existing
address. Each address to which no mail can be delivered will bounce.
Spammer do not send their mails from their own computer. They give it
to relays. Those will try to deliver any message - and will
produce a bounce for each address they cannot reach. And these bounces
will not be sent to the spammer, but to the person the spammer used as
sender. (Which is either not existing or, even more often, an innocent
bystander) Faking the "from" is the easiest thing on the world - so,
only innocent people will be harmed. It could be YOUR address as well.
No, the spammer are not damaged at all. The problem of spamming is that
other peoples infrastructure is (ab)used - usually without those people
knowledge.
Spamming is cheap because they do not have to pay the bill. It is like
sending advertisements as "charge paid by recipient" and throwing it
into a post box, while writing your stepmothers address as sender on the
envelope.
If you do not believe me, read in I read the German version of this group and can say that this is a quite
common topic.
bye,
Onno
I am serious - the number of internet users is gigantic as well. If
everyone behaved as you do, there would soon be most easy rememberable
addresses used up. You know the story about the wise man who wanted
nothing but a chess board with rice as reward? This works the same way.
If you stop using an address, cancel it, than it will be a non-existing
address. Each address to which no mail can be delivered will bounce.
Spammer do not send their mails from their own computer. They give it
to relays. Those will try to deliver any message - and will
produce a bounce for each address they cannot reach. And these bounces
will not be sent to the spammer, but to the person the spammer used as
sender. (Which is either not existing or, even more often, an innocent
bystander) Faking the "from" is the easiest thing on the world - so,
only innocent people will be harmed. It could be YOUR address as well.
No, the spammer are not damaged at all. The problem of spamming is that
other peoples infrastructure is (ab)used - usually without those people
knowledge.
Spamming is cheap because they do not have to pay the bill. It is like
sending advertisements as "charge paid by recipient" and throwing it
into a post box, while writing your stepmothers address as sender on the
envelope.
If you do not believe me, read in I read the German version of this group and can say that this is a quite
common topic.
bye,
Onno
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Roger Johansson
Onno Tasler said:
First of all, you obviously do not understand the math involved here.
Secondly, the number of possible email addresses has nothing to do with the
spam problem.
It is the number of open mail accounts which are publically known which is
important.
Have I told people to set up lots of mail accounts and then stop using
them? No, on the contrary, I often tell people to close accounts they no
longer need, to minimize the number of open mail accounts.
Wherever those mails are sent from they need to find a receptor domain mail
server and find out its IP-address before they can send anything.
If the domains are non-existing their dns servers will tell the mailer
program that no such domain exists, so it is not possible to send any mail
to it.
Non-existing mail servers cannot bounce anything, the spammer cannot even
send anything to a non-existing mail server, because non-existing mail
servers have no IP-number.
--
Roger J. (No Emails)
The reason why there are always flame wars and bickering going on in
newsgroups is that a lot of guys have to keep the heat up.
They thrive on violence, threats, foul language, and a rough atmosphere.
They often justify their terror of real people and children with ideas
like: Somebody has to keep the order here. We are the guardians of the
peace and security. If we didn't keep people awake they would fall asleep
and become too nice towards each other.
O
Onno Tasler
Roger Johansson scribebat:
Right. But there are more people than you around who would like an easy
e-mail address. An address which is not known by spammers. If you
already used 30 addresses, then this are addresses will get spam - even
if somebody else starts using them later. Spammer usually do not clean
their lists.
What brings what good? Nothing!
If they close their e-mail account, e-mails sent to those addresses will
bounce. Try to send an e-mail to one of your closed accounts and you
will see.
Spammers are only interested in sending a lot of mails. Since they do
not have to pay for it, they do not care if 80% of the addresses on
their list do not exist.
The bounce is not produced by the non-existing domain, but by the relay.
So, it works like the following:
Spammer gives address list to a relay, using a faked from.
Relay tries to send e-mails to recipients.
When the address (be it server or local part) does not exist, the relay
creates a bounce to inform the sender about the invalid address.
F-Up2 set, this is off topic in acf.
bye,
Onno
Right. But there are more people than you around who would like an easy
e-mail address. An address which is not known by spammers. If you
already used 30 addresses, then this are addresses will get spam - even
if somebody else starts using them later. Spammer usually do not clean
their lists.
What brings what good? Nothing!
If they close their e-mail account, e-mails sent to those addresses will
bounce. Try to send an e-mail to one of your closed accounts and you
will see.
Spammers are only interested in sending a lot of mails. Since they do
not have to pay for it, they do not care if 80% of the addresses on
their list do not exist.
The bounce is not produced by the non-existing domain, but by the relay.
So, it works like the following:
Spammer gives address list to a relay, using a faked from.
Relay tries to send e-mails to recipients.
When the address (be it server or local part) does not exist, the relay
creates a bounce to inform the sender about the invalid address.
F-Up2 set, this is off topic in acf.
bye,
Onno