Building this system, is it compatible?

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Hank

Hi,

I generally build my own systems but I haven't needed to in a couple of
years so I haven't been keeping up with the latest hardware. I've assembled
some parts from newegg that I wish to build into my new server. I haven't
purchased anything yet, I want to make sure everything is compatible with
each other.

The spec list is pasted below if someone could eyeball it and point out any
incompatibilites or enhancements that'd be excellent. The list is pasted
below and if you scroll down futher each of the components specs are listed.

I'm looking to spend about 2500.

The purpose of this system is to be a powerful 64 bit server that I wish to
host windows server 2003 64 bit edition. Additionally I will be using VMWare
virtual machines to create 1 or 2 virtual machines.

I'm starting with 8 gig of memory and will be adding more later, if I
understand the specs correctly (32/16GB of DDR2-533/667) I can have up to 32
gig of memory running at 533 or 16 gig running at 667. Does that extra 134
really make a difference?

The board takes dual core cpus but one customer review stated it could take
quad cores, is that true? I would think that would be in the specs.


Thanks for looking and comments.



2 Intel Xeon 5060 Dempsey 3.2GHz Socket 771 2U Passive Processor Model
BX805555060P - Retail
Item #: N82E16819117076

TYAN S2696A2NRF (SATA) Dual Socket 771 Intel 5000X Extended ATX Server
Motherboard - Retail
Item #: N82E16813151048

4 Crucial 2GB 240-Pin DDR2 FB-DIMM DDR2 533 (PC2 4200) ECC Fully Buffered
Server Memory Model CT25672AF53E - Retail
Item #: N82E16820146586

2 SAMSUNG SpinPoint T Series HD501LJ 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard
Drive - OEM
Item #: N82E16822152052

PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 Quad (Black) EPS12V 750W Continuous @ 40°C
(825W Peak) Power Supply - Retail
Item #: N82E16817703009

CHENBRO SR10769-BK Black 1.0 mm SECC Server Case
Item #: N82E16811123076


CPU specifics

Model
Brand Intel
Processors Type Server
Series Xeon
Model BX805555060P
CPU Socket Type
CPU Socket Type Socket 771
Tech Spec
Core Dempsey
Multi-Core Dual-Core
Name Xeon 5060
Operating Frequency 3.2GHz
FSB 1066MHz
L2 Cache 2 x 2MB
Manufacturing Tech 65 nm
Vista Ready Yes
64 bit Support Yes
Hyper-Threading Support Yes
Virtualization Technology Support Yes
Multimedia Instruction MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3
Voltage 1.25-1.4V
Cooling Device Heatsink included.
Manufacturer Warranty
Parts 3 years
Labor 3 years

Motherboard specifics

Model
Brand TYAN
Model S2696A2NRF (SATA)
Supported CPU
CPU Socket Type Dual Socket 771
CPU Type Dual Intel Xeon
FSB 1333/1066MHz
Chipsets
North Bridge Intel 5000X
South Bridge Intel 6321ESB
Memory
Number of DDR2 Slots 8 x 240Pin
DDR2 Standard DDR2 667
Maximum Memory Supported 32/16GB of DDR2-533/667
Dual Channel Supported Four memory channels
ECC Supported Yes
Registered FBDIMM
Expansion Slots
PCI Express x16 1
PCI Express x4 2
PCI-X Slots (64-bit 133MHz) 2
PCI Slots 1
Storage Devices
PATA 1 x ATA 100 up to 2 Devices
SATA 6 x SATA II
SATA RAID 0/1/10/5
Onboard Video
Onboard Video Chipset None
Onboard Audio
Audio Chipset Realtek ALC888
Audio Channels 8 Channels
Onboard LAN
LAN Speed 10/100/1000Mbps
Second LAN Speed 10/100/1000Mbps
Max LAN Speed Dual 10/100/1000Mbps
Rear Panel Ports
PS/2 2
COM 1
LPT 1
USB 4 x USB 2.0
IEEE 1394 1 x IEEE 1394a
S/PDIF Out 1x Coaxial
S/PDIF In 1x Coaxial
Audio Ports 3 Ports
Onboard USB
Onboard USB 2x USB 2.0
Onboard 1394
Onboard 1394 1x 1394a
Physical Spec
Form Factor Extended ATX
Dimensions 13.0" x 12.0"



Hard drive specifics


Model
Brand SAMSUNG
Series SpinPoint T Series
Model HD501LJ
Performance
Interface SATA 3.0Gb/s
Capacity 500GB
RPM 7200 RPM
Cache 16MB
Average Seek Time 8.9ms
Average Latency 4.17ms
Physical Spec
Form Factor 3.5"
Features
Features SATA Native Command Queuing Feature
Device Initiated SATA Power Management
High Speed Dual DSP Based Architecture
SilentSeek
ImpacGuard
Manufacturer Warranty
Parts 3 years limited
Labor 3 years limited


Memory specifics

Model
Brand Crucial
Model CT25672AF53E
Type 240-Pin DDR2 FB-DIMM
Tech Spec
Capacity 2GB
Speed DDR2 533 (PC2 4200)
Cas Latency 4
Voltage 1.8V
ECC Yes
Buffered/Registered Fully Buffered
Heat Spreader Yes
Manufacturer Warranty
Parts Lifetime
Labor Lifetime


PSU specifics

Model
Brand PC Power & Cooling
Model Silencer 750 Quad (Black)
SPEC
Type EPS12V
Maximum Power 750W Continuous @ 40°C (825W Peak)
Fans 1
PFC Active
Main Connector 24Pin
Dual +12V No
PCI-E Connectors 4 x 6Pin
SLI Support NVIDIA SLI Certified (Dual 8800 GTX and below)
Modular Cabling Support No
Power Good Signal 300ms
Hold-up Time 16ms min.
Efficiency 83%
Over Voltage Protection +3.3V, +5V, +12V
Input Voltage 100 - 240 V
Input Frequency Range 50/60 Hz
Input Current 12A
Output +5V @ 30A
+12V @ 60A (Powerful Single Rail)
-12V @ 0.8A
+3.3V @ 24A
+5VSB @ 3A
MTBF >100,000 Hours
Approvals UL, ULC, CE, CB, RoHS
Features
Connectors 1 x Main connector (24Pin)
1 x 12V (4Pin)
1 x 12V(8Pin)
8 x peripheral (4Pin)
6 x SATA
1 x Floppy
4 x PCI-E
Features The new Silencer 750 Quad power supply gives you legendary PC Power
and Cooling performance and reliability along with a unique ultra-quiet
cooling design, classic black finish, Quad PCI-Express connectors, and a
price that seals the deal.




Case specifics

Model
Brand CHENBRO
Model SR10769-BK
Spec
Color Black
Case Material 1.0 mm SECC
Motherboard Compatibility 12" x 13" E-ATX
Expansion
External 5.25" Drive Bays 3
External 3.5" Drive Bays 1
Internal 3.5" Drive Bays 8
Expansion Slots 7
Front Ports
Front Ports 2 x USB2.0
Cooling System
120mm Fans Middle: 2 x 120 mm
Rear: 1 x 120 mm
Physical Spec
Dimensions 24.4" x 8.7" x 16.7"
Features
Features Ideal Thermal Design, Excellent EMI Solution, Time-saving
Installation and Maintenance, Configuration Flexibility
Packaging
Package Contents SR10769-BK
Screws
Keys
Other Accessories
 
Hank said:
Hi,

I generally build my own systems but I haven't needed to in a couple of
years so I haven't been keeping up with the latest hardware. I've assembled
some parts from newegg that I wish to build into my new server. I haven't
purchased anything yet, I want to make sure everything is compatible with
each other.

The spec list is pasted below if someone could eyeball it and point out any
incompatibilites or enhancements that'd be excellent. The list is pasted
below and if you scroll down futher each of the components specs are listed.

I'm looking to spend about 2500.

The purpose of this system is to be a powerful 64 bit server that I wish to
host windows server 2003 64 bit edition. Additionally I will be using VMWare
virtual machines to create 1 or 2 virtual machines.

I'm starting with 8 gig of memory and will be adding more later, if I
understand the specs correctly (32/16GB of DDR2-533/667) I can have up to 32
gig of memory running at 533 or 16 gig running at 667. Does that extra 134
really make a difference?

The board takes dual core cpus but one customer review stated it could take
quad cores, is that true? I would think that would be in the specs.


Thanks for looking and comments.



2 Intel Xeon 5060 Dempsey 3.2GHz Socket 771 2U Passive Processor Model
BX805555060P - Retail
Item #: N82E16819117076

TYAN S2696A2NRF (SATA) Dual Socket 771 Intel 5000X Extended ATX Server
Motherboard - Retail
Item #: N82E16813151048

4 Crucial 2GB 240-Pin DDR2 FB-DIMM DDR2 533 (PC2 4200) ECC Fully Buffered
Server Memory Model CT25672AF53E - Retail
Item #: N82E16820146586

2 SAMSUNG SpinPoint T Series HD501LJ 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard
Drive - OEM
Item #: N82E16822152052

PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 Quad (Black) EPS12V 750W Continuous @ 40°C
(825W Peak) Power Supply - Retail
Item #: N82E16817703009

CHENBRO SR10769-BK Black 1.0 mm SECC Server Case
Item #: N82E16811123076
Click to expand...

The "2U Passive" processor model, means the processor comes with a heatsink
but no fan. In a 2U chassis, there would be "wind tunnel" fans on the chassis,
right next to the processor sockets. The chassis constrains the airflow,
such that the air from the fans, blows through the fins on the passive heatsinks.
So, they aren't really passive, and are relying on a feature of a 2U chassis
to cool them.

You should visit and register to become a memher on the forums at www.2cpu.com.
They build dually systems over there, and know more about this. For example,
this thread discusses some options for LGA771, such as you might need with a
big server case.

http://www.2cpu.com/forums/showthread.php?p=668568#post668568

http://www.swiftnets.com/products/mcx604-V.asp (discontinued - fan included)
http://www.swiftnets.com/products/MCX-VPro.asp (fan not included)

Note that, if the cooler solution is intended to bolt to the chassis, then
the chassis should have some holes to line up with the cooler. Dealing with
cooler issues seems to be the scariest part of your build.

Your power supply is a nice one, and can be a few dollars cheaper if purchased
direct from pcpower.com . I don't know what their shipping fees are like though.

http://www.pcpower.com/products/assets/S75QB/S75E-QD2.jpg

HTH,
Paul
 
Paul said:
The "2U Passive" processor model, means the processor comes with a
heatsink
but no fan. In a 2U chassis, there would be "wind tunnel" fans on the
chassis,
right next to the processor sockets. The chassis constrains the airflow,
such that the air from the fans, blows through the fins on the passive
heatsinks.
So, they aren't really passive, and are relying on a feature of a 2U
chassis
to cool them.

You should visit and register to become a memher on the forums at
www.2cpu.com.
They build dually systems over there, and know more about this. For
example,
this thread discusses some options for LGA771, such as you might need with
a
big server case.

http://www.2cpu.com/forums/showthread.php?p=668568#post668568

http://www.swiftnets.com/products/mcx604-V.asp (discontinued - fan
included)
http://www.swiftnets.com/products/MCX-VPro.asp (fan not included)

Note that, if the cooler solution is intended to bolt to the chassis, then
the chassis should have some holes to line up with the cooler. Dealing
with
cooler issues seems to be the scariest part of your build.

Your power supply is a nice one, and can be a few dollars cheaper if
purchased
direct from pcpower.com . I don't know what their shipping fees are like
though.

http://www.pcpower.com/products/assets/S75QB/S75E-QD2.jpg

HTH,
Paul
Click to expand...

Thanks for the info, I meant to ask about cooling, is the heat sink already
mounted on the cpu and what fans would be recommended for maximum coolness?

So everything else looks good as far as compatibility?

thanks
 
Hank said:
Thanks for the info, I meant to ask about cooling, is the heat sink already
mounted on the cpu and what fans would be recommended for maximum coolness?

So everything else looks good as far as compatibility?

thanks
Click to expand...

I'm just a rank amateur, so the things I'm commenting on, are the easy bits.
As far as I know, the FBDIMMs are "plug and play", since people have been
using them in Macintosh computers (I believe there is at least one Mac that
uses dual Xeons and has a riser card with FBDIMMs on it). As long as the people
making the FBDIMMs have been doing their homework (compliance tested them before
shipping), I would not expect them to even be as bad as unbuffered DDR2-800
in desktop systems.

The heatsink and CPU come in the same box, but are separated. If you bought a
2U chassis, such as an Intel SC2500, you would insert the CPU in the LGA771 socket,
lock it down, apply paste to the CPU, install the heatsink (screws, standoffs,
CEK spring steel thingy on bottom of motherboard etc). The fans in the 2U
chassis are right next to the heatsink, and would blow through it horizontally.
So as they say, some assembly required. Since the heatsink is separate, there
won't be a problem fitting your substitute solution for the Chenbro case. The
Swiftech cooler has the supports to hold a fan. The Intel 2U passive cooler
is, as far as I know, just a heatsink, and probably does not have any means
to hold a fan in place on top of it.

With your Chenbro, you need to find an active cooler, such as the Swiftech
ones I listed. Or look elsewhere for something that works with LGA771.

These are what I found listed on Newegg for LGA771. And the fans on these
are small and would have to work at high speed, to cool well. The Swiftech
coolers, take an 80mm fan, but the coolers are designed asymmetric on
purpose, so they can be butted head to toe. That is how the two 80mm fans
can be mounted next to one another, when the CPUs are barely a bit more
than 80mm apart.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010110574+1371026711&Subcategory=574

One of the Swiftech coolers is on Newegg, but is not listed in the LGA771
section since LGA771 was invented after the MCX604-V was designed. I think
this one is the one mentioned in the 2cpu.com thread.

Swiftech MCX604-V 80mm 2 Ball CPU Cooler
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835108046
(Some comments here.)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductReview.aspx?Item=N82E16835108046

You don't really go for "max coolness", as much as "enough coolness". There
are several temperatures you are interested in. There is the THERMTRIP
temperature, which is where the motherboard shuts off. That might happen if
the heatsink fell off, or if the fan stopped turning. There is the throttle
temperature, which might be around 70C. You want to avoid that temp, because
the processor reduces its performance, in an attempt to stay below
the throttle temp. There is nothing worse than spending money on an expensive
processor, only to have the processor reducing its execution rate.

Operating the processor cooler than that, might theoretically increase its
lifespan, but most people will have upgraded before getting close to the
lifespan. You could easily live with 50C to 60C under load, if you had to.

Looking for more coolers, this thread suggested a solution that won't cost
much. Since your processor purchase does come with a 2U passive, you can
just use nylon tie wraps to hold a fan to the top of the heatsink.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=1737272

"I just used some pull ties to attach 80mm fans to each of the 2U heat
sinks and under load the CPUs don't go past 55C. That works for me so
I put the system together and called it a day."

So that is an example of a pragmatic solution. Note that, what you are
trying to achieve with a fan, is to capture *all* the air it has to
offer. The idea is to keep the air velocity flowing through the fins,
as high as possible, so the fewer sneak paths for the air to leak
before being used, the better.

The big thing about the Verax fans mentioned in that Xtremesystems thread,
is the way the fan blades are shaped. I wish Verax would just sell their
fan blade idea to another company, so more varied products would result.
I'd like to see some case fans based on the Verax design. This article
explains why a Verax fan should be quieter than a conventional fan.

(Click the English button on the upper right...)
http://www.verax.de/verax.php?template=cms_entry_technik&groupid=1&entryid=7

By the way, there is a alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.tyan newsgroup, so if you
run into trouble, that is one more place you can post to. That group
isn't very high volume though.

Paul
 
Paul said:
I'm just a rank amateur, so the things I'm commenting on, are the easy
bits.
As far as I know, the FBDIMMs are "plug and play", since people have been
using them in Macintosh computers (I believe there is at least one Mac
that
uses dual Xeons and has a riser card with FBDIMMs on it). As long as the
people
making the FBDIMMs have been doing their homework (compliance tested them
before
shipping), I would not expect them to even be as bad as unbuffered
DDR2-800
in desktop systems.

The heatsink and CPU come in the same box, but are separated. If you
bought a
2U chassis, such as an Intel SC2500, you would insert the CPU in the
LGA771 socket,
lock it down, apply paste to the CPU, install the heatsink (screws,
standoffs,
CEK spring steel thingy on bottom of motherboard etc). The fans in the 2U
chassis are right next to the heatsink, and would blow through it
horizontally.
So as they say, some assembly required. Since the heatsink is separate,
there
won't be a problem fitting your substitute solution for the Chenbro case.
The
Swiftech cooler has the supports to hold a fan. The Intel 2U passive
cooler
is, as far as I know, just a heatsink, and probably does not have any
means
to hold a fan in place on top of it.

With your Chenbro, you need to find an active cooler, such as the Swiftech
ones I listed. Or look elsewhere for something that works with LGA771.

These are what I found listed on Newegg for LGA771. And the fans on these
are small and would have to work at high speed, to cool well. The Swiftech
coolers, take an 80mm fan, but the coolers are designed asymmetric on
purpose, so they can be butted head to toe. That is how the two 80mm fans
can be mounted next to one another, when the CPUs are barely a bit more
than 80mm apart.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010110574+1371026711&Subcategory=574

One of the Swiftech coolers is on Newegg, but is not listed in the LGA771
section since LGA771 was invented after the MCX604-V was designed. I think
this one is the one mentioned in the 2cpu.com thread.

Swiftech MCX604-V 80mm 2 Ball CPU Cooler
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835108046
(Some comments here.)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductReview.aspx?Item=N82E16835108046

You don't really go for "max coolness", as much as "enough coolness".
There
are several temperatures you are interested in. There is the THERMTRIP
temperature, which is where the motherboard shuts off. That might happen
if
the heatsink fell off, or if the fan stopped turning. There is the
throttle
temperature, which might be around 70C. You want to avoid that temp,
because
the processor reduces its performance, in an attempt to stay below
the throttle temp. There is nothing worse than spending money on an
expensive
processor, only to have the processor reducing its execution rate.

Operating the processor cooler than that, might theoretically increase its
lifespan, but most people will have upgraded before getting close to the
lifespan. You could easily live with 50C to 60C under load, if you had to.

Looking for more coolers, this thread suggested a solution that won't cost
much. Since your processor purchase does come with a 2U passive, you can
just use nylon tie wraps to hold a fan to the top of the heatsink.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=1737272

"I just used some pull ties to attach 80mm fans to each of the 2U heat
sinks and under load the CPUs don't go past 55C. That works for me so
I put the system together and called it a day."

So that is an example of a pragmatic solution. Note that, what you are
trying to achieve with a fan, is to capture *all* the air it has to
offer. The idea is to keep the air velocity flowing through the fins,
as high as possible, so the fewer sneak paths for the air to leak
before being used, the better.

The big thing about the Verax fans mentioned in that Xtremesystems thread,
is the way the fan blades are shaped. I wish Verax would just sell their
fan blade idea to another company, so more varied products would result.
I'd like to see some case fans based on the Verax design. This article
explains why a Verax fan should be quieter than a conventional fan.

(Click the English button on the upper right...)
http://www.verax.de/verax.php?template=cms_entry_technik&groupid=1&entryid=7

By the way, there is a alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.tyan newsgroup, so if
you
run into trouble, that is one more place you can post to. That group
isn't very high volume though.

Paul
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Thanks for all the info !!!!! I'm definately getting one of those fans. What
case would you recommend? I forget the reason why I chose that one but I'm
going to get one with better airflow
 
Hank said:
Thanks for all the info !!!!! I'm definately getting one of those fans. What
case would you recommend? I forget the reason why I chose that one but I'm
going to get one with better airflow
Click to expand...

I really think the guys on www.2cpu.com are a better source of advice than me.
Because they actually build them.

Paul
 
Paul said:
I would buy the case, once you are sure of your cooling solution.
And whether it bolts to the case or not.

Paul
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I ordered the fans from veraxfans so that is my cooling solution. Now since
they state that they are 3 U-form I wonder if that'll exclude normal cases
such as chenbro sr107 or the stacker 830.

I did join 2cpu on Sunday but they haven't processed my membership as if yet
so I can't post over there.
 
Hank said:
I ordered the fans from veraxfans so that is my cooling solution. Now since
they state that they are 3 U-form I wonder if that'll exclude normal cases
such as chenbro sr107 or the stacker 830.

I did join 2cpu on Sunday but they haven't processed my membership as if yet
so I can't post over there.
Click to expand...

A "Rack Unit" is defined here. 3U is roughly 5.25", which should fit within
an 8" wide case.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rack_unit

Paul
 
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