Blue Ray/HD And a 4 Year Old Computer

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Guys, what do I need, apart from a Blue Ray/HD drive, to be able to play
Blue Ray/HD disks or 1080p h.264 files on my 4 year old computer?
I'm guessing I'm gonna need to replace my video card with a HD enabled one
and download appropriate codecs. I hope my 3GHz+ Hyper Threading processor
is still up to the task, and 4 GB of RAM should be sufficient. Is there
something else I might be missing?

Thanks
 
Motherboard - AGP or PCIe? - my guess is only PCIe video cards would work
for HD.
 
Guys, what do I need, apart from a Blue Ray/HD drive, to be able to play
Blue Ray/HD disks or 1080p h.264 files on my 4 year old computer?
I'm guessing I'm gonna need to replace my video card with a HD enabled one
and download  appropriate codecs. I hope my 3GHz+ Hyper Threading processor
is still up to the task, and 4 GB of RAM should be sufficient. Is there
something else I might be missing?

Thanks

HDCP compliant PCI-Express video card and monitor

SATA ports for the Blu-Ray drive. The Blu-Ray drive only seem to us
the Serial ATA (SATA) data interface and not the IDE (PATA) interface.
 
Oort said:
Guys, what do I need, apart from a Blue Ray/HD drive, to be able to play
Blue Ray/HD disks or 1080p h.264 files on my 4 year old computer?
I'm guessing I'm gonna need to replace my video card with a HD enabled one
and download appropriate codecs. I hope my 3GHz+ Hyper Threading processor
is still up to the task, and 4 GB of RAM should be sufficient. Is there
something else I might be missing?

Thanks

With the video cards, and the measure of assistance they provide
in playback here, you still need a pretty decent processor. Notice
how uneven the results are, making it hard to select a winner
that does anything. If you know all the titles are H.264 only,
then the selection process would be easier.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/media-playback_7.html

They used a Core2 Duo E8500 at 3.16GHz. The Core2 architecture
is 1.5 to 1.8x faster than the P4 generation. I presume (but there
is no way to tell from that article, that both cores are used
during playback. That means the E8500 could be up to 3.6x faster
than your processor. Taking the inverse, that is about 28% as seen
on those charts. If a chart entry needs more than 28%, then your
processor is running at 100%.

It appears in that article, that some of the best video accaleration
is present in the integrated graphics of some new motherboards. It would
suggest the Northbridge has been optimized for video, so is turning in
some of the best numbers. The acceleration provided by the built-in
hardware, is proportional to its clock rate. And the hardware tends to be
independent of the portion of the GPU that accelerates games. But they
do share the same clock source.

If you were to use a new motherboard, and its built-in graphics, then
game play in 3D would probably suck, but movie playback could be smoother.
But if you were going for a new motherboard, you could also use
a processor with a higher effective clock rate as well.

This is an article that used a previous generation of video cards
and an X6800 Core2 Duo at 3GHz. Again, you can see it is using
a pretty healthy chunk of CPU capacity. These cards didn't provide
quite as much acceleration.

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2886&p=4

Take your time, and find a few more articles, before
spending big money on this project. I suspect there
is a danger you could end up with dropped frames or
stuttering, if the hardware you currently own is
not sufficient. Perhaps some tests, using the latest
version available of software that plays Blueray titles,
and using some downloaded test files of some sort, will
give you an idea of what will happen when you get the
actual Blueray player. Then at least, all you're out of
pocket, is the cost of a playback software program.

The processor in this test, is about twice as powerful as
yours, so you'd double the CPU utilization numbers in the
chart. At least for the movie titles selected, it looks
like a Geforce 8600 GT is enough. One difference in this
test, compared to the Xbitlabs test, is Xbitlabs included
some Picture In Picture tests (presumably a feature that
exists on some Blueray titles). So this test may not
be exercising all of the Blueray capabilities.

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2977&p=4

You can see from the piles of numbers produced, it can
be difficult to make a good call.

By supporting HDCP, a lot of the video cards used in those
tests will be allowed to drive a high resolution display.
Without HDCP at both ends fo the video monitor cable, the
OS may prevent certain things from happening. HDCP is part
of the HDMI standard (so if the video card had
an HDMI connector, you wouldn't have to ask the question),
but with older DVI connector video cards, HDCP was
optional and not always implemented. There was a bit
of a stink when HDCP support first came out, because
the GPU supported it, but the video card makers didn't
include the keys in an EEPROM to make it work. That
would be less likely to be an issue now, with the
latest video cards. Reading an article on HDCP should
also be part of your research (and the reference section
here can give some other web pages to read). Without
HDCP to protect the movie industry, you'll be restricted
to lower resolution (or no) output.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hdcp

Paul
 
Guys, what do I need, apart from a Blue Ray/HD drive, to be able to play
Blue Ray/HD disks or 1080p h.264 files on my 4 year old computer?
I'm guessing I'm gonna need to replace my video card with a HD enabled one
and download appropriate codecs. I hope my 3GHz+ Hyper Threading processor
is still up to the task, and 4 GB of RAM should be sufficient. Is there
something else I might be missing?

Thanks

HDCP compliant PCI-Express video card and monitor
 
Oort Cloud said:
Guys, what do I need, apart from a Blue Ray/HD drive, to be able to play
Blue Ray/HD disks or 1080p h.264 files on my 4 year old computer?
I'm guessing I'm gonna need to replace my video card with a HD enabled one
and download appropriate codecs. I hope my 3GHz+ Hyper Threading
processor is still up to the task, and 4 GB of RAM should be sufficient.
Is there something else I might be missing?

You require a Blu-ray capable drive (obviously). These are available in
both parallel ATA and SATA versions though the latter are by far the more
common.

You also require a blu-ray capable software player. Most of the blu-ray
drives on sale come bundled with an OEM version of something like Power DVD
Ultra.

The minimum PC specs required are along the lines of:

3.2 Ghz Pentium 4 (absolute minumum) but a 1.8 Ghz Core 2 Duo is required
for H.264.

PC Sound card (although 2.0 will work, 7.1 would obviously be better)

Minimum 512Mb memory (XP) or 1Gb (Vista)

Graphics card with a minimum of 256 Mb of *dedicated* on card memory. A
fairly recent graphics card is required, something like nVidia 7600 GT or
better or ATI HD 2400 or better.

Most players state that they require a minimum of 1920x1080 display, but
they will work with lower resolution displays (in fact many HD TVs have
lower resolutions).

It would seem that your 4 year old PC may struggle a bit with MPEG2 blu ray
discs, but will be unable to cope with MPEG4 discs (of which H.264 is an
example). To be honest, if you want to do this, you should really be
thinking about a better PC.
 
No you don't.  HD video will play over a standard VGA connector withoutany
problem.

Blu-Ray will require the HDCP compliant signal to ensure that the
1080p resolutions. These signals require a DVI HDCP or a HDMI
connection.
 
Thanks a lot, Paul. This was very helpful.




Paul said:
With the video cards, and the measure of assistance they provide
in playback here, you still need a pretty decent processor. Notice
how uneven the results are, making it hard to select a winner
that does anything. If you know all the titles are H.264 only,
then the selection process would be easier.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/media-playback_7.html

They used a Core2 Duo E8500 at 3.16GHz. The Core2 architecture
is 1.5 to 1.8x faster than the P4 generation. I presume (but there
is no way to tell from that article, that both cores are used
during playback. That means the E8500 could be up to 3.6x faster
than your processor. Taking the inverse, that is about 28% as seen
on those charts. If a chart entry needs more than 28%, then your
processor is running at 100%.

It appears in that article, that some of the best video accaleration
is present in the integrated graphics of some new motherboards. It would
suggest the Northbridge has been optimized for video, so is turning in
some of the best numbers. The acceleration provided by the built-in
hardware, is proportional to its clock rate. And the hardware tends to be
independent of the portion of the GPU that accelerates games. But they
do share the same clock source.

If you were to use a new motherboard, and its built-in graphics, then
game play in 3D would probably suck, but movie playback could be smoother.
But if you were going for a new motherboard, you could also use
a processor with a higher effective clock rate as well.

This is an article that used a previous generation of video cards
and an X6800 Core2 Duo at 3GHz. Again, you can see it is using
a pretty healthy chunk of CPU capacity. These cards didn't provide
quite as much acceleration.

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2886&p=4

Take your time, and find a few more articles, before
spending big money on this project. I suspect there
is a danger you could end up with dropped frames or
stuttering, if the hardware you currently own is
not sufficient. Perhaps some tests, using the latest
version available of software that plays Blueray titles,
and using some downloaded test files of some sort, will
give you an idea of what will happen when you get the
actual Blueray player. Then at least, all you're out of
pocket, is the cost of a playback software program.

The processor in this test, is about twice as powerful as
yours, so you'd double the CPU utilization numbers in the
chart. At least for the movie titles selected, it looks
like a Geforce 8600 GT is enough. One difference in this
test, compared to the Xbitlabs test, is Xbitlabs included
some Picture In Picture tests (presumably a feature that
exists on some Blueray titles). So this test may not
be exercising all of the Blueray capabilities.

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2977&p=4

You can see from the piles of numbers produced, it can
be difficult to make a good call.

By supporting HDCP, a lot of the video cards used in those
tests will be allowed to drive a high resolution display.
Without HDCP at both ends fo the video monitor cable, the
OS may prevent certain things from happening. HDCP is part
of the HDMI standard (so if the video card had
an HDMI connector, you wouldn't have to ask the question),
but with older DVI connector video cards, HDCP was
optional and not always implemented. There was a bit
of a stink when HDCP support first came out, because
the GPU supported it, but the video card makers didn't
include the keys in an EEPROM to make it work. That
would be less likely to be an issue now, with the
latest video cards. Reading an article on HDCP should
also be part of your research (and the reference section
here can give some other web pages to read). Without
HDCP to protect the movie industry, you'll be restricted
to lower resolution (or no) output.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hdcp

Paul
 
No you don't. HD video will play over a standard VGA connector without any
problem.

Blu-Ray will require the HDCP compliant signal to ensure that the
1080p resolutions. These signals require a DVI HDCP or a HDMI
connection.

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I repeat: HD video will play over a standard VGA connector without any
problem. It even plays over the component video connector from my laptop
into an HD TV without problems.

I, and many others, are doing it.
 
M.I.5¾ said:
Blu-Ray will require the HDCP compliant signal to ensure that the
1080p resolutions. These signals require a DVI HDCP or a HDMI
connection.

-------------

I repeat: HD video will play over a standard VGA connector without any
problem. It even plays over the component video connector from my laptop
into an HD TV without problems.

I, and many others, are doing it.

Further to the above, I have a bit more information.

The video can be played via an analogue connection, either VGA, RGB or YPbPr
without any hinderance. If the connection is via a DVI or HDMI connection
then the connection must be HDCP compliant. Having said that utilities are
available which disable the need. The HD version of AnyDVD is an example
(and it also defeats the region protection).
 
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