Blasphemy ?

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I wonder if I am the only apple mac book pro user who finds themselves
working almost exclusively in Vista ? It gets an awful lot of bad press but
I quite like it and the more I use it the more I am liking it ! I like OS X
for the sexy unixy tools you get by default, but I cannot get a driver for
my Dell AIO, printer.
I have vista loaded as a VM but cannot run FSX in it so I am now finding
myself working about 98% booted straight into vista. My only gripe is that
it will not sleep properly.

I have downloaded Win 7 and have it in a VM session but am a bit baffled as
to what is does better than vista? Am I missing something fundamental ?

Bottom line Microsoft : Good job with Vista !
 
UTTER rubbish.
I have Vista Home Premium and Windows 7 on the same computer(separate
drives); and the Vista speed comparison to Windows7 is what XP is like
compared to Vista.
Same hardware, so you can not blame that!

Microsoft OSs are getting slower to use, and the embedded IE8 is too slow to
use.
Always stuck to IE, but not now, except for IE7 in XP Pro and Vista HP.

Try giving an honest answer, just for a change.
 
I wonder if I am the only apple mac book pro user who finds themselves
working almost exclusively in Vista ? It gets an awful lot of bad press
but I quite like it and the more I use it the more I am liking it !
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At last, a balanced view from a Mac user!

The problem is, most minority groups - like Mac users and Linux users -
feel the need to evangelise for their chosen platform and knock the big guy.

It's just human nature and says little or nothing about the platforms
themselves. Be assured, if history had run differently and Apple had come
to dominate the personal computer market, the few using Microsoft Windows
would be crowing about how few viruses there were on their platform, and how
much better Windows was than Mac OS.

Having used both, I can honestly say that both have their strong points,
both have their weaknesses, and both do an acceptable job. To be honest,
the similarities vastly outnumber the differences.

It really is a matter of personal preference, and there is no mileage in
being dogmatic or closed-minded.

So again, I'm delighted to hear from an open-minded Mac user. You are in a
minority!

SteveT
 
Mick Murphy said:
UTTER rubbish.
I have Vista Home Premium and Windows 7 on the same computer(separate
drives); and the Vista speed comparison to Windows7 is what XP is like
compared to Vista.
Same hardware, so you can not blame that!

Microsoft OSs are getting slower to use, and the embedded IE8 is too slow
to
use.
Always stuck to IE, but not now, except for IE7 in XP Pro and Vista HP.

Try giving an honest answer, just for a change.
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Compared to Vista, Windows 7 boots way faster, anti-virus applications
initialize way faster, sidebar gadgets open way faster, applications open
way faster.

IE8 is fine for me. I haven't noticed it being slow particularly..
 
I call it how I see it.

"You are utterly stupid..."
You must be looking in YOUR mirror, LOL.
 
Steve Thackery said:
At last, a balanced view from a Mac user!

The problem is, most minority groups - like Mac users and Linux users -
feel the need to evangelise for their chosen platform and knock the big
guy.

It's just human nature and says little or nothing about the platforms
themselves. Be assured, if history had run differently and Apple had come
to dominate the personal computer market, the few using Microsoft Windows
would be crowing about how few viruses there were on their platform, and
how much better Windows was than Mac OS.

Having used both, I can honestly say that both have their strong points,
both have their weaknesses, and both do an acceptable job. To be honest,
the similarities vastly outnumber the differences.

It really is a matter of personal preference, and there is no mileage in
being dogmatic or closed-minded.

So again, I'm delighted to hear from an open-minded Mac user. You are in
a minority!

SteveT
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Hi Steve,

Well, being a middle aged, white, anglo saxon, heterosexual male, being in
any kind of minority is pretty cool !

I think of OS X as "linux that works". I spent 10 years mucking around with
various linux distros and in all that time never did any productive work
with it. OS X is superb, but cannot use my printer. Vista with the Netbeans
IDE and Office 07 is everything I need. It really became attractive for me
once I switched off the wife function (Are you SURE you want to move that
file, are you SURE you wanted to press that button?, are you SURE the back
gate is locked?) and changed the DPI setting to something these old eyes
find comfortable. Oh, and the spotlight like search facility is a great
improvement on that stupid dog in XP.

Vista coupled with the excellent apple hardware is a win win proposition.
Apple get my money for the hardware and Microsoft for the software.
Everybody wins !
 
I have all 3 installed on 1 machine.
XP Pro, Vista Ultimate and W7 Ultimate 32 bit.
On that machine, W7 found drivers for everything except my Creative
soundcard.
This isn't a state of the art machine, but does OK.
It is a P4-2.53Ghz/1.25GB RAM/128MB AGP and a separate 80GB/7200RPM EIDE HDD
for each OS and a DVD burner.
I find XP to be fastest, W7 to be second and Vista to be slowest by quite a
margin.
On this hardware, W7 seems to be just about in the middle for seat of the
pants feel during normal use.
I haven't installed W7 on my regular machine, it dual boots XP Pro and Vista
Ultimate...on those occasions I want to suffer through the Vista experience.
When I can afford another SATA HDD, I may try it.
 
Bob Campbell said:
Not everyone, just most. Not everyone reported Vista as being slower
than XP either, just most. It is clearly some kind of
driver/hardware issue.

For me, Vista is faster than XP, no question about it. I only have 7
installed in a VM right now, so I can't do a real comparison. But its
performance in VPC is fine.
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LOL

ss.
 
msnews.microsoft.com said:
Compared to Vista, Windows 7 boots way faster, anti-virus applications
initialize way faster, sidebar gadgets open way faster, applications
open way faster.

IE8 is fine for me. I haven't noticed it being slow particularly..
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Yeah? Start a new tab on IE8, and then on IE7 in Vista or XP ON THE SAME
MACHINE, for one issue. It takes much longer, (Too friggin long!), in
IE8 to get a new tab. Scrolling is HORRIBLE, worse than IE7, but then
IE7 supposed "smooth scrolling" on many XP/Vista machines I work on is
choppy at best anyway, unless it's an all text site pretty much. Open a
Firefox browser right next to IE7 or 8 and see the difference! Go to a
page with excessive flash content and see how fun it is to scroll, it's
a joke. Win7 Starts up and shuts down faster alright, but so far I am
not seeing the alleged "blazing speeds" compared to Vista some are
reporting. (lol, Mostly on sites like these, so who knows what the REAL
truth is.) Other places I'm reading mixed reviews, JUST like it was
between XP and Vista. So far, I see very little difference in speed
between Vista and WIN7. As usual, YMMV!

Also, as with all Windows, get a bunch of aps etc installed on Win8
before reporting all this speed. XP BLAZES past Vista with a fresh
install, as does Vista pretty much BLAZE with a fresh install. Not real
world test results/reports I would say. LOL

G'day
 
Mick Murphy said:
I have Vista Home Premium and Windows 7 on the same computer(separate
drives); and the Vista speed comparison to Windows7 is what XP is like
compared to Vista.
Same hardware, so you can not blame that!
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Equivalent driver set? Drivers are almost as important as the hardware
itself. Knowing the set of hardware/drivers involved and where it's slow is
probably most interesting in loose performance evaluations like that.
 
Danny Krychek said:
Replace "I'm sure" with "I hope" and you'd be correct.
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Yeah, "hope" for sure. File transfers in Vista SP1 are STILL slow,
particularly with USB. Ever tried to format a 1TB external HD in Vista? (USB
2.0) How 'bout a percentage point around every 30min. Canceled the format,
rebooted to XP, got 'er done in under 1.5 hours. Think they will fix the
icon views in folders to stay put as set whthout useless hacks? Etc, etc,
etc.. I'll believe it when I see it. Furthermore, why on earth would they
want to make Vista as good as Win7? Who would move to Win7 then? ..Just a
thought.

I'm testing Win7 now, but to get real world comprehensive comparisons, I
will be setting it up as identical to my Vista Ultimate as possible. Then we
will see. So far there are things I like, and things I don't. IE8 is a slug
in some areas so far. Oh and here's a good one, resizing a window is not
persistent. Next time you open the program, sizing is different. (Went from
icon views to windows?) That's fun.. NOT.. So that's new, never had that
problem in Vista. Ah but it is a beta, so we will see what the fix is... So
here we go...

G'day
 
Muad'Dib said:
Yeah, "hope" for sure. File transfers in Vista SP1 are STILL slow,
particularly with USB. Ever tried to format a 1TB external HD in Vista? (USB
2.0) How 'bout a percentage point around every 30min. Canceled the format,
rebooted to XP, got 'er done in under 1.5 hours. Think they will fix the
icon views in folders to stay put as set whthout useless hacks? Etc, etc,
etc.. I'll believe it when I see it. Furthermore, why on earth would they
want to make Vista as good as Win7? Who would move to Win7 then? ..Just a
thought.
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There is no chance that they would do that. None. LESS than none, if
that were possible.

Besides, it would take a major re-write, and service packs aren't that
involved.
 
Danny Krychek said:
There is no chance that they would do that. None. LESS than none, if
that were possible.

Besides, it would take a major re-write, and service packs aren't that
involved.
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Yep, so we will see how Win7 goes. I haven't done file transfers and such as
no time yet.. Can't wait to see how that goes, not to mention folder icon
views! LOL

Cheers
 
Not everyone, just most. Not everyone reported Vista as being slower than
XP either, just most.
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So the majority of users have speed issues with Vista.
It is clearly some kind of driver/hardware issue.
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Say what? There's nothing wrong with the hardware. It runs fast with
XP. It's VISTA that runs slow. If the drivers are slow, it's because
of the way Vista handles drivers.
For me, Vista is faster than XP, no question about it.
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That puts you in a rare group of exceptions to the rule. Your XP
install is probably not comparable to your Vista install. Most people
need twice the hardware capability for Vista to run at XP's speed (and
it still has disk/network speed issues)
I only have 7
installed in a VM right now, so I can't do a real comparison. But its
performance in VPC is fine.
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Let's hope it's faster.
 
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