Black Diamond distrubution of Mozilla Firefox

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Aaron

The Black Diamond project is a project to create a distrubution of
Mozilla Firefox with many of the popular extentions added.

http://blackdiamond.mozdev.org/index.html

This version has been built for a more end user audience and many more
complex extensions have been excluded. As is strives to make Firefox
easier to use for newbies.

Change List:
Pinball Theme 7.8 added, and even better intergrated
New Black Diamond Icons and Throbber

Extentions:
Tabbrowser Extensions
Tabbrowser Extensions Tab Session Management Module
Copy Image
Search Button
Firesomething
Basics
Paste and Go

Aaron (my email is not munged!)
 
The Black Diamond project is a project to create a distrubution of
Mozilla Firefox with many of the popular extentions added.

http://blackdiamond.mozdev.org/index.html

This version has been built for a more end user audience and many more
complex extensions have been excluded. As is strives to make Firefox
easier to use for newbies.

Change List:
Pinball Theme 7.8 added, and even better intergrated
New Black Diamond Icons and Throbber

Extentions:
Tabbrowser Extensions
Tabbrowser Extensions Tab Session Management Module
Copy Image
Search Button
Firesomething
Basics
Paste and Go


COOL!

I was rather expecting this, but not so soon. :)

Bob

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??? You do know that the Black diamond distribution is not a new thing?
This is just the latest edition.

Aaron, I said it was cool, didn't I? I tried it and it was a definite
improvement on the otherwise feature-poor Firefox. I thank you for the
useful link, OK?

Having said that, get out of my shorts, OK? You're going WAY out of your way
to annoy me. Now stop it.

Bob

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Aaron, I said it was cool, didn't I? I tried it and it was a definite
improvement on the otherwise feature-poor Firefox. I thank you for the
useful link, OK?

You actually said (and conveniently edited) this:

"COOL! I was rather expecting this, but not so soon. :)"

Aaron was obviously and legitimately commenting on your apparent
misconception that the BlackDiamond project was new.
Having said that, get out of my shorts, OK? You're going WAY out of your way
to annoy me. Now stop it.

Hmm. Most likely, Aaron's comment doesn't fit anybody else's definition of
"way out" or "annoying", other than yours.

Seems you and Aaron have a [perceived] IE/MyIE vs. FireFox thing going on,
and I won't comment about the bickering in other threads, other than to say
some of that is petty (what's bloat or not bloat; what's a shell and what's
a full program/browser... the latter having included some of the most
ridiculously twisted definitions I have ever seen put forth for something
who's definition should be fairly clear-cut). Irrespective of any other
threads, however, there is no doubt that you are the the one who's "way
out" and "annoying" here.
<snip>
 
You actually said (and conveniently edited) this:

"COOL! I was rather expecting this, but not so soon. :)"
Aaron was obviously and legitimately commenting on your apparent
misconception that the BlackDiamond project was new.

Ummm... what are you talking about, sir?

I WAS expecting someone to post a link to a Firefox distribution with a good
extension pack. I was not disappointed.
Hmm. Most likely, Aaron's comment doesn't fit anybody else's definition of
"way out" or "annoying", other than yours.

Mine is the only one that counts, OK?

Look, Mr. Libres, this is between me and Aaron. If I need an umpire, I'll
keep you in mind.
Seems you and Aaron have a [perceived] IE/MyIE vs. FireFox thing going on,
and I won't comment about the bickering in other threads, other than to say
some of that is petty (what's bloat or not bloat; what's a shell and what's
a full program/browser... the latter having included some of the most
ridiculously twisted definitions I have ever seen put forth for something
who's definition should be fairly clear-cut). Irrespective of any other
threads, however, there is no doubt that you are the the one who's "way
out" and "annoying" here.

On the above, here's what I say, and I am sorry if you disagree.

MyIE2 is an IE browser shell. (I have said that many times)
MyIE2 is not bloated at 750KB
Firefox is not feature packed until you add many extensions

Look Mr Libres, if I annoy you, you are smart enough to know what you can do
about it.

Bob

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I WAS expecting someone to post a link to a Firefox distribution with
a good extension pack. I was not disappointed.

That's the whole problem with these kinds of packages: just who decided
that this is a "good" package? I don't use a single one of the extensions
in this package. I wouldn't be without Adblock, for starters.

Adding extensions to Firefox is one of the easiest things in the world. If
a newbie can't go to the extensions page, look them over and do it himself,
then he should stick with IE. Just my (as always) opinionated view.
 
That's the whole problem with these kinds of packages: just who
decided that this is a "good" package? I don't use a single one of the
extensions in this package. I wouldn't be without Adblock, for
starters.

Adding extensions to Firefox is one of the easiest things in the
world. If a newbie can't go to the extensions page, look them over and
do it himself, then he should stick with IE. Just my (as always)
opinionated view.

My opinionated view is that the extensions should be pushed/featured more
on the main dl website. I've been using Mozilla for a couple of years now,
and never knew what the he11 an extension was. Once I did know, I was in
hog heaven.

I also disagree with the list of 'most useful' extensions. Where's "Nuke
Anything"? "Session Saver"? "Deepest Sender"?

Chakolate
 
Ummm... what are you talking about, sir?

I WAS expecting someone to post a link to a Firefox distribution with a good
extension pack. I was not disappointed.

Sorry. Looked like what you were expecting ("but not so soon") was for
someone to put together a Firebird / Firefox package with extensions, in
which case, Aaron was simply pointing out that the package was not new . If
you say your expectation ("but not so soon") was simply for someone to POST
A LINK TO THE PACKAGE (thereby implying that you were already aware of the
package itself), then I apologize. Seems odd, but I'll take your word for
it.
Mine is the only one that counts, OK?

Yes. But I was merely suggesting that if you looked at the comment the way
others did, it wouldn't have been necessary to wrestle Aaron from your
shorts (he was only there in your imagination, anyway).
Look, Mr. Libres, this is between me and Aaron. If I need an umpire, I'll
keep you in mind.
Seems you and Aaron have a [perceived] IE/MyIE vs. FireFox thing going on,
and I won't comment about the bickering in other threads, other than to say
some of that is petty (what's bloat or not bloat; what's a shell and what's
a full program/browser... the latter having included some of the most
ridiculously twisted definitions I have ever seen put forth for something
who's definition should be fairly clear-cut). Irrespective of any other
threads, however, there is no doubt that you are the the one who's "way
out" and "annoying" here.

On the above, here's what I say, and I am sorry if you disagree.

MyIE2 is an IE browser shell. (I have said that many times)
MyIE2 is not bloated at 750KB
Firefox is not feature packed until you add many extensions

You may have said it was a browser shell, but this was part of a thread
from early Feb. 2004:

"It's not a browser, only an IE add-on.
cHris"

"Yes, but to make things easy I call it a browser because from the
users view it is very different from normal IE. We didn't call Windows
98 to Windows 95 add-on or XP as Windows 2000 add-on allthough the
they use quite a lot of same code.
Jari"


"Good point. MyIE2 is *technically a browser add-on, but practically, it's
a browser. Let the hair splitters call it a browser shell. I'll simply call
it a browser from now on unless someone asks for the technical description.
:)
Bob"

The analogy that MyIE2-is-to-MS IE-as-Win98-is-to-Win95 (or, in other
words, if the latter isn't called an "add-on", neither should the former)
is part of the "ridiculousness" that I refer to. And when presented with
that analogy, you said, "Good point". Huh?
Look Mr Libres, if I annoy you, you are smart enough to know what you can do
about it.

I am smart; and no, in general you don't annoy me. I don't know Aaron or
you, nor do I favor, on the whole, either of your positions in favor of
the other's. I just felt like you reacted to something rather benevolent in
a rather malevolent way, and my reaction this time, perhaps out of boredom,
was to point it out to you.

I use MyIE2, by the way. And Mozilla. And Firefox. In that order. Not that
you care, but I don't want to appear to be a "crusader" (a word you have
also used in the past) for any particular software.
 
I use MyIE2, by the way. And Mozilla. And Firefox. In that order. Not that
you care, but I don't want to appear to be a "crusader" (a word you have
also used in the past) for any particular software.

The only people I have irreconcilable differences with are crusaders and
sock puppets. I can reason with anyone else.

It seems you are neither, so I will overlook your over-emphasis of some
casual opinions of mine.

Software is just a tool. It's either useful to me or it's not. I neither
love it nor hate it. Every tradesman uses different tools that suit his job
and his personal tastes. I refuse to belittle a person for using a
particular browser or OS. In fact, I think OS's and browsers are emotional
subjects that I will avoid in the future. No matter what I say about IE,
Mozilla, Linux, or Windows, someone will get their shorts in a wad.

Coffee?

Bob

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Clearly a cardinal sin to point out a misconception?
Ummm... what are you talking about, sir?

Get used to it, this is a public forum. :)

For what's it worth, I wasn't trying to annoy you. After our little
discussion about future Firefox 1.0 plans to have "approved" extensions
by developers, I was anxious to point out that Black Diamond distribution
wasn't it, it has being around since nearly forever. It's pretty simple
to prepackage such distributions anyway.

I WAS expecting someone to post a link to a Firefox distribution with
a good extension pack. I was not disappointed.

I was just trying to clarify a point, not sure why you consider that
annoying.
Look Mr Libres, if I annoy you, you are smart enough to know what you
can do about it.

Same advice to you Bob.


Aaron (my email is not munged!)
 
That's the whole problem with these kinds of packages: just who
decided that this is a "good" package?

The better question is "good" package for who?
I don't use a single one of the
extensions in this package. I wouldn't be without Adblock, for
starters.

Well, for starters we could target current groups of people, and have a
IE shell pack (for people migrating from IE shells), a webdeveloper pack
(for webmasters) , a extra security/privacy pack (maybe X, useragent
switcher, refererspoofer) etc.

But I think the main advanatage of having such packages is two fold.

1) You don't have to waste time looking for extensions. If you are a
myie2 user, you probably want extensions that can allow you to do the
same thing as in myie2. So that means paste and go, some of the more
heavy duty Tab browsing extensions, probably adblock etc.

2) More importantly, you can be assured such a combination of extensions
will not conflict with one another. This is assuming of course that each
combination is tested by the people who release it.

Adding extensions to Firefox is one of the easiest things in the
world. If a newbie can't go to the extensions page, look them over and
do it himself, then he should stick with IE. Just my (as always)
opinionated view.

It's a matter of time. The descriptions or screenshots arean't always
clear what the extension does, and if you don't have a lot of time on
your hands, it's better to just select a pack based on some general
citeria.

In any case, for those who want to select their own extensions, they are
free to do so of course.



Aaron (my email is not munged!)
 
On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 06:09:17 -0600, Bob Adkins wrote:

Software is just a tool. It's either useful to me or it's not. I neither
love it nor hate it. Every tradesman uses different tools that suit his job
and his personal tastes. I refuse to belittle a person for using a
particular browser or OS. In fact, I think OS's and browsers are emotional
subjects that I will avoid in the future. No matter what I say about IE,
Mozilla, Linux, or Windows, someone will get their shorts in a wad.

Coffee?
<snip>

Anytime.

Can we invite Aaron? And can we talk about something other than browsers
and trousers (uh, I mean shorts).

Later.
 
In fact, I think OS's and browsers are emotional
subjects that I will avoid in the future.

By the way, I wouldn't go that far. Life's too short not to stir things up
a bit. The trick is to make sure you don't spill the [beverage of choice]
all over yourself while you're doing the stirring. As we all know, that can
be just plain embarrassing.

See ya.
 
Can we invite Aaron? And can we talk about something other than browsers
and trousers (uh, I mean shorts).

Yea, sure.

And let's leave news readers out of the conversation too. They also seem to
bring out passions and loyalties.

Bob

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Clearly a cardinal sin to point out a misconception?


Get used to it, this is a public forum. :)

For what's it worth, I wasn't trying to annoy you. After our little
discussion about future Firefox 1.0 plans to have "approved" extensions
by developers, I was anxious to point out that Black Diamond distribution
wasn't it, it has being around since nearly forever. It's pretty simple
to prepackage such distributions anyway.



I was just trying to clarify a point, not sure why you consider that
annoying.


Same advice to you Bob.


A lot of things to think about there.

What does it all mean? I think it means we took a little thing waaaaay too
far.

Bob

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