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Does anybody happen to know the actual resolution of the human eye?

What I'm getting at is something similar to the fact that a human eye
can't distinguish more than 8 bits of color. Therefore, the final
*output* for human consumption of any image (screen or, I guess,
print) need not be any greater because neither 8-bit monitors nor
8-bit eyes can handle any more (although 16-bits of *input* may be
useful for intermediate processing).

What is the corresponding limitation of the eye regarding resolution?

Of course, optics being as complicated as they are, I'm sure the lens,
eye liquid, viewing distance, illumination, etc. all play a part, but
what is the native resolution of the retina?

I realize that analog wetware is not in a nice regular matrix like
digital CCDs but I'm sure taking sampling theory, Nyquist, etc into
account one can come up with meaningful numbers.

Don.
 
Don said:
Does anybody happen to know the actual resolution of the human eye?

What I'm getting at is something similar to the fact that a human eye
can't distinguish more than 8 bits of color. Therefore, the final
*output* for human consumption of any image (screen or, I guess,
print) need not be any greater because neither 8-bit monitors nor
8-bit eyes can handle any more (although 16-bits of *input* may be
useful for intermediate processing).

What is the corresponding limitation of the eye regarding resolution?

Of course, optics being as complicated as they are, I'm sure the lens,
eye liquid, viewing distance, illumination, etc. all play a part, but
what is the native resolution of the retina?

I realize that analog wetware is not in a nice regular matrix like
digital CCDs but I'm sure taking sampling theory, Nyquist, etc into
account one can come up with meaningful numbers.

Don.
The eye is very much a regular matrix.
http://www.webvision.med.utah.edu/photo2.html

Anatomy of the eye.
http://www.tedmontgomery.com/the_eye/acuity.html

How many colors can the human eye see?
http://ask.yahoo.com/ask/20041227.html

Millions of colors.
http://www.cis.rit.edu/mcsl/outreach/faq.php#q11

To put it it terms of a computer display for millions of colors you need to
set the monitor to 24 bits (true color) to get over 16 Million colors
displayed.

So 24 bit color or 8 bits for red, 8 bits for green and 8 bits for blue. 8
bits of any one color makes 256 levels of a color.
 

Thanks for the interesting links! Especially that cones (like many
other things in nature) assume a hexagonal pattern. I expected it to
be random like grain in film.

Anyway, the color is clear, what I was really (clumsily) asking is how
many "pixels per inch" can the eye see?

In other words, we're there as far as color is concerned but
what "ppi rating" does the eye have and how far behind is scanning and
display technology?

Don.
 
Don said:
Thanks for the interesting links! Especially that cones (like many
other things in nature) assume a hexagonal pattern. I expected it to
be random like grain in film.

Anyway, the color is clear, what I was really (clumsily) asking is how
many "pixels per inch" can the eye see?

In other words, we're there as far as color is concerned but
what "ppi rating" does the eye have and how far behind is scanning and
display technology?

http://clarkvision.com/imagedetail/eye-resolution.html
.... is the first hit when you type "resolution of the human eye" in
Google. Plus some other interesting links
http://www.google.com/search?q="resolution+of+the+human+eye
 
http://clarkvision.com/imagedetail/eye-resolution.html
... is the first hit when you type "resolution of the human eye" in
Google. Plus some other interesting links
http://www.google.com/search?q="resolution+of+the+human+eye

Some years ago there was an interesting discussion about this in the
science section of a dutch newspaper. People (even 40 and 50 year
olds) reported being able to discern the stays of a tall communication
tower from a distance of many miles. This contradicted and far exceded
the long accepted 1 arc-minute limit of the resolution of the eye.
0.25 arc-minute seemed possible in certain high contrast situations.
This suggests that in some prints, not only small detail can be seen
at 1200x1200 dots per inch, but even the dots itself. In
transparencies this certainly will be the case.

You will have noticed that dpi or ppi is not the way to describe the
resolution of the eye.

regards, wim
 
Don said:
Thanks for the interesting links! Especially that cones (like many
other things in nature) assume a hexagonal pattern. I expected it to
be random like grain in film.

Anyway, the color is clear, what I was really (clumsily) asking is how
many "pixels per inch" can the eye see?
That depends on a lot of things, especially age and level of
illumination.

Average good adult human visual resolution is around 1cycle per
arc-minute, which is about 3.5cy/mrad (3.5 x 1000 cy/rad).

Average adult comfortable close viewing limit is around 10inches.

So the average adult can resolve about (3.5 x 1000) / 10 = 350cy/in.

Since you need a minimum of 2 pixels to represent each cycle, that gives
something like 700ppi on the image on a printed page.

Some people, particularly children, can accommodate to much closer
distances, so they can resolve even more than this. Most people will
see quite a bit less than that - acceptable acuity limits for opticians
are about 3-4 times worse before they would prescribe corrective
glasses.
In other words, we're there as far as color is concerned but
what "ppi rating" does the eye have and how far behind is scanning and
display technology?
Well, the technology is well ahead of the biology at the moment, but
there are ways of changing the balance. Here is an interesting paper on
supernormal visual acuity:
http://www.bcs.rochester.edu/people/williams/liang1997.2.pdf
 
wim wiskerke said:
Some years ago there was an interesting discussion about this in the
science section of a dutch newspaper. People (even 40 and 50 year
olds) reported being able to discern the stays of a tall communication
tower from a distance of many miles. This contradicted and far exceded
the long accepted 1 arc-minute limit of the resolution of the eye.
0.25 arc-minute seemed possible in certain high contrast situations.

That is a different effect though, and it doesn't just apply to human
eyesight. Some years ago in the early days of CCDs, we were working on
a low resolution (a massive 4Kilopixels!) camera that was pointing out
of the lab window when someone cycled by. All of us could clearly see
the wire spokes on the bicycle wheels which were only 2-3mm thick. When
we worked it out, the wire spokes represented less than a tenth of a
pixel in thickness! Very similar to your anecdote of observers seeing
wire stays in communication towers.

However there is nothing here that disputes the resolution measurements
- well there was a little in my example, which in turn lead to the
development of an image resolution enhancement technique we called
microscan, but that is outside the scope of this thread.

A large part of this effect is the same as being able to see stars in
the night sky. You can't resolve any of them, but you can certainly see
them. The closest star is 4.3 light years away, which is almost
2.5x10^13 miles. Even if that was the same size as our sun, of 8.7x10^5
miles in diameter, it would only subtend 35nanoradians! That is about
50,000x the resolution of the human eye, but you don't have any problem
seeing stars that are hundreds and thousands of light years away, so
even smaller. The issue is one of detection, not resolution. You can
detect the star at sub-resolution dimensions because the contrast of the
star against the blackness of space is so high. And you can detect the
pylon wires because they are high contrast against the sky background,
albeit much less than the star.

A second effect is also significant in this process though - visual
connectivity, which is also responsible for the "Vernier effect", used
in precision instruments. This is a purely mental process that is going
on in your eye/brain, well past the photoreceptors. You are just
extremely good at connecting points together to discriminate lines.
Typically the vernier effect allows you to discern a displacement in a
line which is less than one fifth of the visual resolution limit. Even
when the contrast from the cables and stays was just marginal to be
detected by the photoreceptors in your eye, your brain can still link
the parts that it does detect to create the illusion of a solid straight
line.

Finally, persistence of vision means that the eye can retain images even
after they have been removed. Again, when the contrast is just on the
limit of detection threshold, the eye 'holds' the parts which are
detected when the random fluctuations in contrast exceeds the detection
threshold once it fluctuates below the detection threshold.

All of these effects combine to permit you to be able to see cables,
wires, stays and similar structures even when their thickness is well
below the traditional resolution limit of the eye.
This suggests that in some prints, not only small detail can be seen
at 1200x1200 dots per inch, but even the dots itself. In
transparencies this certainly will be the case.
You certainly won't resolve the dots themselves, but you can discern
discontinuities in dot placement at 1200dpi or more if they are printing
a perfectly vertical edge or a line that is only one dot thick, such as
the stroke of a font. This is one of the issues that has driven laser
printers to higher resolutions just to produce better quality text.
You will have noticed that dpi or ppi is not the way to describe the
resolution of the eye.
Exactly. Resolution requires the differentiation of two objects as
distinct from one - and that requires cycles. All you can do is
determine the *minimum* number of pixels or dots necessary to represent
those cycles.
 
That depends on a lot of things, especially age and level of
illumination.

Yes, I'm aware of that (I mentioned it in the original post). But
similar limitations apply to color perception and yet there is a "rule
of thumb" that 8-bit color is where the things level off.

Although, over in "comp.graphics.apps.photoshop" some think this
"rule" is wrong and we can see far better than 8-bits per channel.
Since you need a minimum of 2 pixels to represent each cycle, that gives
something like 700ppi on the image on a printed page.

So for computer displays (generally rated at 72 d/p-pi) to achieve
this we need to boost the resolution by a factor of 10, right?

In other words, (if I got my facts straight) once "average size"
monitors get to be about 10,000 x 8,000 we will no longer be able to
see individual pixels e.g. high contrast diagonal lines such as "/"
will appear smooth? Seems a bit high, though?
Some people, particularly children, can accommodate to much closer
distances, so they can resolve even more than this. Most people will
see quite a bit less than that - acceptable acuity limits for opticians
are about 3-4 times worse before they would prescribe corrective
glasses.

The reminds me of a bit of lateral trivia I read long time ago that
native American Indians used 10-year olds as scouts because their
eyesight was better than the adults'.
Well, the technology is well ahead of the biology at the moment, but
there are ways of changing the balance. Here is an interesting paper on
supernormal visual acuity:
http://www.bcs.rochester.edu/people/williams/liang1997.2.pdf

Will check it.

BTW, I was referring to display technology. The scanning resolution
technology (at least as it applies to flatbeds) seem sufficient, but
the monitors seem to be lagging behind.

Don.
 
http://clarkvision.com/imagedetail/eye-resolution.html
... is the first hit when you type "resolution of the human eye" in
Google. Plus some other interesting links
http://www.google.com/search?q="resolution+of+the+human+eye

Thanks Wilfred, I'll check them out!

As I explain to Kennedy, I had a bit of a hidden agenda, in that I was
really wondering what resolution to use for my "output" images (even
if the monitor display technology may not be there yet). I'd like to
be "future-proof" and use a resolution above which no image detail is
discernible.

Don.
 
Don said:
Yes, I'm aware of that (I mentioned it in the original post). But
similar limitations apply to color perception and yet there is a "rule
of thumb" that 8-bit color is where the things level off.

Although, over in "comp.graphics.apps.photoshop" some think this
"rule" is wrong and we can see far better than 8-bits per channel.
From what I have seen of the posts, none of those claiming that 8bpc is
inadequate have any real evidence to back it up. Also, from my own
tests, 8bpc with the correct gamma curve is overkill and just over 6bpc
is adequate. This is fortunate because colour management eats into that
1-2bit overhead significantly. If we really needed 8bpc then colour
management processes would visibly degrade all of our images, rather
than enhance them. The fact that nobody complains that colour
management introduces image posterisation is strong evidence that we
can't see anywhere near 8bpc.
So for computer displays (generally rated at 72 d/p-pi) to achieve
this we need to boost the resolution by a factor of 10, right?
Not as much as that for most people, but a factor of 10 would ensure the
pixelation was imperceptible to almost all people. You can easily "get
away" with half that for most folk.
In other words, (if I got my facts straight) once "average size"
monitors get to be about 10,000 x 8,000 we will no longer be able to
see individual pixels e.g. high contrast diagonal lines such as "/"
will appear smooth? Seems a bit high, though?

Seems a bit high, but its not really enough to do what you now want. All
this pixel density does is produce a display capable of reproducing
images which exceed the resolution limits of the eye. However your
example of a slightly diagonal line doesn't just test resolution, but
the vernier visibility, which can require another factor of up to 5 or
so. Usually another fiddle gets you off the hook though - dot placement
error. If the pixels themselves have a random error then the vernier
visibility can be eliminated - which is what happens most of the time on
prints, especially colour prints.
BTW, I was referring to display technology. The scanning resolution
technology (at least as it applies to flatbeds) seem sufficient, but
the monitors seem to be lagging behind.
Only "affordable" monitors. The IBM T221 is a 22" monitor capable of
supporting 3840x2400 pixels - about 230ppi - but at $10k a pop it won't
be gracing my desk for a while yet. Nevertheless, I do have some small
displays like the eMagin SVGA+, which has 1700ppi but on a small format
- even under magnification it is a fantastic image.
 
The fact that nobody complains that colour
management introduces image posterisation is strong evidence that we
can't see anywhere near 8bpc.

Exactly! Especially taken in context like that. Besides, consumer
monitors can only handle 8 bits anyway, and I don't see this changing
any time soon (or ever?), so the whole thing is academic.
Not as much as that for most people, but a factor of 10 would ensure the
pixelation was imperceptible to almost all people. You can easily "get
away" with half that for most folk.

That's what I was getting at! A reasonable "rule of thumb".
Seems a bit high, but its not really enough to do what you now want. All
this pixel density does is produce a display capable of reproducing
images which exceed the resolution limits of the eye. However your
example of a slightly diagonal line doesn't just test resolution, but
the vernier visibility, which can require another factor of up to 5 or
so.

That was just an extreme case to get the feel for the range. In
reality, continuous tone photos are much more forgiving.
Only "affordable" monitors. The IBM T221 is a 22" monitor capable of
supporting 3840x2400 pixels - about 230ppi - but at $10k a pop it won't
be gracing my desk for a while yet.

Nor mine! But I'm certain in a few years we'll all have disposable,
flexible, wall-sized giga-pixel displays.

On a related tangent... I was going through some old computer mags
(cleaning out a shelf) and I saw a drum scanner in one of them.
Actually, it was a British mag called Personal Computer World.

Anyway, drum scanners are not as expensive as I thought! I expected a
price in the $100,000 range but this 3-4 year old mag quoted about
5000 pounds. Are drum scanners really that "cheap"?
Nevertheless, I do have some small
displays like the eMagin SVGA+, which has 1700ppi but on a small format
- even under magnification it is a fantastic image.

Even commercial, plain vanilla, monitors are improving all the time.
While strolling around my local computer store recently I had a look
at some of the new notebooks and really had to strain to see the
jaggies. To be fair, this was probably in part due to my eyes! ;o)

Don.
 
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