Best performance - RAID 0 or 10,000 RPM Drive

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I'm getting ready to have a pc built and need to know which will
give a crisper performance - a 10,000 RPM drive or a RAID 0
configuration.

Thanks
 
I'm getting ready to have a pc built and need to know which will
give a crisper performance - a 10,000 RPM drive or a RAID 0
configuration.

Thanks

I'm getting ready to answer your question and need to know
which things you plan on doing with your system. ;)
 
I'm getting ready to answer your question and need to know
which things you plan on doing with your system. ;)

I don't use the PC for any games, but do some video editing
and converting etc. To me the bottleneck of a pc is the disk
drive, but I've haven't seen any comparisons between RAID and
10K RPM disk drive. If I'm going to spend the bucks on the
latest and greatest cpu,then I also want the top performance
from the drives.

Thanks
 
kony said:
I'm getting ready to answer your question and need to know
which things you plan on doing with your system. ;)

Excellent riposte.<g> Ready...Steady... well done K.
 
I don't use the PC for any games, but do some video editing
and converting etc.

For that you don't want either option, you want two separate
drives, one for source and the other for destination.
Raiding them would just be slower. However, it's quite
common for the hard drives to not be a bottleneck in video
editing even with generic budget-grade drives, as editing
operations tend to run at lower rates than the HDD(s) can
supply the data. If you're looking to capture raw,
uncompressed video (not DV format) then a RAID 0 might be
preferrible, unless you plan on simultaneously using the
system, then having separate drive for OS might be of
benefit instead. Even sub-topics have lots of different
scenarios in a multi-tasking environment.

To me the bottleneck of a pc is the disk
drive, but I've haven't seen any comparisons between RAID and
10K RPM disk drive. If I'm going to spend the bucks on the
latest and greatest cpu,then I also want the top performance
from the drives.

10K for operating system or database work. RAID for very
large linear editing/copying-type activities. However, I
never recommend RAID0 unless one also has a 3rd drive for
regular storage, as I see too many people planning to make
removable storage backups but then end up not doing that
nearly as often due to it being slower and more laborious.
You might be the exception, or you might not.

Either way, I'd not opt for any "single volume", not a lone
10K drive nor a lone RAID0 of two drives. If I used the
RAID0 I'd have a 3rd drive or with the 10K RPM, a 2nd drive
too. If you will be editing video fairly often and insist
on one of the two options you mentioned, I'd go with the
RAID0 as the benefits of the 10K RPM drive for OS speed is
an area where you may not really need the speed so much-
ample system memory will cache the OS.
 
: :
: > On Fri, 20 May 2005 14:54:46 GMT, Dave <[email protected]>
: > wrote:
: >
: >>I'm getting ready to have a pc built and need to know which
: will
: >>give a crisper performance - a 10,000 RPM drive or a RAID 0
: >>configuration.
: >>
: >>Thanks
: >
: > I'm getting ready to answer your question and need to know
: > which things you plan on doing with your system. ;)
: >
:
: I don't use the PC for any games, but do some video editing
: and converting etc. To me the bottleneck of a pc is the disk
: drive, but I've haven't seen any comparisons between RAID and
: 10K RPM disk drive. If I'm going to spend the bucks on the
: latest and greatest cpu,then I also want the top performance
: from the drives.
:
: Thanks

I don't think the video processing can keep up with the hard
drives, even 7200 IDE. This is my reasoning. A 4G file, typical
movie, takes how long to copy from one disk to another? And
how long to process with a video editor, just with simple cuts
and maybe a change from DVD to mpeg... much longer so the
processing is, to me on the order of 3-6 times slower. But I would
like to have four 10K rpm drive in an array, as dynamic drives
so that there were two heads reading and two writing to see how
fast I could scrub a video, which is to drag a bar usually through
the video to find something or check content ... which is slow on
my P4 2.4 with IDE external drives. A 16K buffer would probably
help too.
 
: On Fri, 20 May 2005 17:57:35 GMT, Dave <[email protected]>
: wrote:
:
: >: >
: >> On Fri, 20 May 2005 14:54:46 GMT, Dave <[email protected]>
: >> wrote:
: >>
: >>>I'm getting ready to have a pc built and need to know which
: >will
: >>>give a crisper performance - a 10,000 RPM drive or a RAID 0
: >>>configuration.
: >>>
: >>>Thanks
: >>
: >> I'm getting ready to answer your question and need to know
: >> which things you plan on doing with your system. ;)
: >>
: >
: >I don't use the PC for any games, but do some video editing
: >and converting etc.
:
: For that you don't want either option, you want two separate
: drives, one for source and the other for destination.
: Raiding them would just be slower. However, it's quite
: common for the hard drives to not be a bottleneck in video
: editing even with generic budget-grade drives, as editing
: operations tend to run at lower rates than the HDD(s) can
: supply the data. If you're looking to capture raw,
: uncompressed video (not DV format) then a RAID 0 might be
: preferrible, unless you plan on simultaneously using the
: system, then having separate drive for OS might be of
: benefit instead. Even sub-topics have lots of different
: scenarios in a multi-tasking environment.
:
:
: >To me the bottleneck of a pc is the disk
: >drive, but I've haven't seen any comparisons between RAID and
: >10K RPM disk drive. If I'm going to spend the bucks on the
: >latest and greatest cpu,then I also want the top performance
: >from the drives.
:
: 10K for operating system or database work. RAID for very
: large linear editing/copying-type activities. However, I
: never recommend RAID0 unless one also has a 3rd drive for
: regular storage, as I see too many people planning to make
: removable storage backups but then end up not doing that
: nearly as often due to it being slower and more laborious.
: You might be the exception, or you might not.
:
: Either way, I'd not opt for any "single volume", not a lone
: 10K drive nor a lone RAID0 of two drives. If I used the
: RAID0 I'd have a 3rd drive or with the 10K RPM, a 2nd drive
: too. If you will be editing video fairly often and insist
: on one of the two options you mentioned, I'd go with the
: RAID0 as the benefits of the 10K RPM drive for OS speed is
: an area where you may not really need the speed so much-
: ample system memory will cache the OS.

From what source do you get raw video? curious. : -)
 
: On Fri, 20 May 2005 17:57:35 GMT, Dave <[email protected]>
: wrote:
:
: >: >
: >> On Fri, 20 May 2005 14:54:46 GMT, Dave <[email protected]>
: >> wrote:
: >>
: >>>I'm getting ready to have a pc built and need to know which
: >will
: >>>give a crisper performance - a 10,000 RPM drive or a RAID 0
: >>>configuration.
: >>>
: >>>Thanks
: >>
: >> I'm getting ready to answer your question and need to know
: >> which things you plan on doing with your system. ;)
: >>
: >
: >I don't use the PC for any games, but do some video editing
: >and converting etc.
:
: For that you don't want either option, you want two separate
: drives, one for source and the other for destination.
: Raiding them would just be slower. However, it's quite
: common for the hard drives to not be a bottleneck in video
: editing even with generic budget-grade drives, as editing
: operations tend to run at lower rates than the HDD(s) can
: supply the data. If you're looking to capture raw,
: uncompressed video (not DV format) then a RAID 0 might be
: preferrible, unless you plan on simultaneously using the
: system, then having separate drive for OS might be of
: benefit instead. Even sub-topics have lots of different
: scenarios in a multi-tasking environment.
:
:
: >To me the bottleneck of a pc is the disk
: >drive, but I've haven't seen any comparisons between RAID and
: >10K RPM disk drive. If I'm going to spend the bucks on the
: >latest and greatest cpu,then I also want the top performance
: >from the drives.
:
: 10K for operating system or database work. RAID for very
: large linear editing/copying-type activities. However, I
: never recommend RAID0 unless one also has a 3rd drive for
: regular storage, as I see too many people planning to make
: removable storage backups but then end up not doing that
: nearly as often due to it being slower and more laborious.
: You might be the exception, or you might not.
:
: Either way, I'd not opt for any "single volume", not a lone
: 10K drive nor a lone RAID0 of two drives. If I used the
: RAID0 I'd have a 3rd drive or with the 10K RPM, a 2nd drive
: too. If you will be editing video fairly often and insist
: on one of the two options you mentioned, I'd go with the
: RAID0 as the benefits of the 10K RPM drive for OS speed is
: an area where you may not really need the speed so much-
: ample system memory will cache the OS.

From what source do you get raw video? curious. : -)

Any live analog stream typically, like dubbing from a DVD
player or VCR, or a TV tuner card, any live video feed from
camcorder/camera/webcam/etc that isn't (or you don't want)
pre-compressed. Most modern *cams seem to have shifted more
towards USB or firewire though, neither of which is fast
enough and typically only supports compressed video.
 
: On Sat, 21 May 2005 19:55:19 -0700, "cat rancher"
:
: >
: >: >: On Fri, 20 May 2005 17:57:35 GMT, Dave <[email protected]>
: >: wrote:
: >:
: >: >: >: >
: >: >> On Fri, 20 May 2005 14:54:46 GMT, Dave <[email protected]>
: >: >> wrote:
: >: >>
: >: >>>I'm getting ready to have a pc built and need to know which
: >: >will
: >: >>>give a crisper performance - a 10,000 RPM drive or a RAID 0
: >: >>>configuration.
: >: >>>
: >: >>>Thanks
: >: >>
: >: >> I'm getting ready to answer your question and need to know
: >: >> which things you plan on doing with your system. ;)
: >: >>
: >: >
: >: >I don't use the PC for any games, but do some video editing
: >: >and converting etc.
: >:
: >: For that you don't want either option, you want two separate
: >: drives, one for source and the other for destination.
: >: Raiding them would just be slower. However, it's quite
: >: common for the hard drives to not be a bottleneck in video
: >: editing even with generic budget-grade drives, as editing
: >: operations tend to run at lower rates than the HDD(s) can
: >: supply the data. If you're looking to capture raw,
: >: uncompressed video (not DV format) then a RAID 0 might be
: >: preferrible, unless you plan on simultaneously using the
: >: system, then having separate drive for OS might be of
: >: benefit instead. Even sub-topics have lots of different
: >: scenarios in a multi-tasking environment.
: >:
: >:
: >: >To me the bottleneck of a pc is the disk
: >: >drive, but I've haven't seen any comparisons between RAID and
: >: >10K RPM disk drive. If I'm going to spend the bucks on the
: >: >latest and greatest cpu,then I also want the top performance
: >: >from the drives.
: >:
: >: 10K for operating system or database work. RAID for very
: >: large linear editing/copying-type activities. However, I
: >: never recommend RAID0 unless one also has a 3rd drive for
: >: regular storage, as I see too many people planning to make
: >: removable storage backups but then end up not doing that
: >: nearly as often due to it being slower and more laborious.
: >: You might be the exception, or you might not.
: >:
: >: Either way, I'd not opt for any "single volume", not a lone
: >: 10K drive nor a lone RAID0 of two drives. If I used the
: >: RAID0 I'd have a 3rd drive or with the 10K RPM, a 2nd drive
: >: too. If you will be editing video fairly often and insist
: >: on one of the two options you mentioned, I'd go with the
: >: RAID0 as the benefits of the 10K RPM drive for OS speed is
: >: an area where you may not really need the speed so much-
: >: ample system memory will cache the OS.
: >
: >From what source do you get raw video? curious. : -)
: >
:
: Any live analog stream typically, like dubbing from a DVD
: player or VCR, or a TV tuner card, any live video feed from
: camcorder/camera/webcam/etc that isn't (or you don't want)
: pre-compressed. Most modern *cams seem to have shifted more
: towards USB or firewire though, neither of which is fast
: enough and typically only supports compressed video.

What would be the input for the raw stream? Like Dazzle or
Canopus? A DVD is digital to analog to digital, no? The DVD
is compressed so transferring via firewire or USB would save
a generation.
 
: Any live analog stream typically, like dubbing from a DVD
: player or VCR, or a TV tuner card, any live video feed from
: camcorder/camera/webcam/etc that isn't (or you don't want)
: pre-compressed. Most modern *cams seem to have shifted more
: towards USB or firewire though, neither of which is fast
: enough and typically only supports compressed video.

What would be the input for the raw stream? Like Dazzle or
Canopus? A DVD is digital to analog to digital, no? The DVD
is compressed so transferring via firewire or USB would save
a generation.

Anything that gives you that option, though if the incoming
video is already digitized, compressed, you're as well off
keeping it compressed until time to edit and/or convert it.

Dazzle what? If you mean the USB external version, no as I
mentioned not USB or firewire. It's going to have to be PCI
or faster (PCI Express or AGP) bus based device _itself_ to
be able to handle the data rates of any reasonably high
resolution and bit depth. So the typical PCI capture or
tuner/capture card combo is probably the most common
method.

It's usually better to take the opposite approach, defining
what you need to do and then how to get there.
 
: On Sun, 22 May 2005 15:19:43 -0700, "cat rancher"
:
:
: >: Any live analog stream typically, like dubbing from a DVD
: >: player or VCR, or a TV tuner card, any live video feed from
: >: camcorder/camera/webcam/etc that isn't (or you don't want)
: >: pre-compressed. Most modern *cams seem to have shifted more
: >: towards USB or firewire though, neither of which is fast
: >: enough and typically only supports compressed video.
: >
: >What would be the input for the raw stream? Like Dazzle or
: >Canopus? A DVD is digital to analog to digital, no? The DVD
: >is compressed so transferring via firewire or USB would save
: >a generation.
: >
:
: Anything that gives you that option, though if the incoming
: video is already digitized, compressed, you're as well off
: keeping it compressed until time to edit and/or convert it.
:
: Dazzle what? If you mean the USB external version, no as I
: mentioned not USB or firewire. It's going to have to be PCI
: or faster (PCI Express or AGP) bus based device _itself_ to
: be able to handle the data rates of any reasonably high
: resolution and bit depth. So the typical PCI capture or
: tuner/capture card combo is probably the most common
: method.
:
: It's usually better to take the opposite approach, defining
: what you need to do and then how to get there.

I have a couple of ATI cards with capture but I don't think
it is near as good as compressed digital. Maybe it's just
because of the great separation, ie the frames are so easy
to still.
 
: Anything that gives you that option, though if the incoming
: video is already digitized, compressed, you're as well off
: keeping it compressed until time to edit and/or convert it.
:
: Dazzle what? If you mean the USB external version, no as I
: mentioned not USB or firewire. It's going to have to be PCI
: or faster (PCI Express or AGP) bus based device _itself_ to
: be able to handle the data rates of any reasonably high
: resolution and bit depth. So the typical PCI capture or
: tuner/capture card combo is probably the most common
: method.
:
: It's usually better to take the opposite approach, defining
: what you need to do and then how to get there.

I have a couple of ATI cards with capture but I don't think
it is near as good as compressed digital. Maybe it's just
because of the great separation, ie the frames are so easy
to still.

It all depends on what the incoming signal is like.
Typically analog is a bit noisier but a whole lot noisier if
it's TV reception, even worse over moderatly aged or
overloaded (so then poor SNR) cable lines. If you had a
very good incoming signal the ATI card(s) should do a
reasonable job providing you use a codec that doesn't
introduce too many artifacts. I prefer Divx but see MPEG2
as a necessary alternative for those who need playback on
older standalone DVD players.
 
There's a lot of good info on videohelp.com.
It's the best site, I think I've ever visited for
just about anything
 
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