Basic set-up of new, clean Vista Home install....

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David Morgan \(MAMS\)

I am about to install Vista Home Premium for the first time, on a brand
new PC with no peripherals and only mother-board aoudio and video.

How can I be certain that I have full rights to the entire PC at all times,
setting up to be both the primary user and the administrator... preferably
avoiding any sort of future log in necessity or difficulty with administrative
"access" issues?

I will do an attended install. Is there any compilation of basic 'tips' out there
for a setup that would enable the above and make future issues less of a
problem (than I see while reading this group) ?

Thanks,

DM
 
The first account created in a new Vista install is a user account with admin rights.
Install the balance of the Vista designed or compatible software. Then create a second limited account for normal use.

If you've not used Vista...suggested reading on UAC and Networking units if applicable.

..winston

:I am about to install Vista Home Premium for the first time, on a brand
: new PC with no peripherals and only mother-board aoudio and video.
:
: How can I be certain that I have full rights to the entire PC at all times,
: setting up to be both the primary user and the administrator... preferably
: avoiding any sort of future log in necessity or difficulty with administrative
: "access" issues?
:
: I will do an attended install. Is there any compilation of basic 'tips' out there
: for a setup that would enable the above and make future issues less of a
: problem (than I see while reading this group) ?
:
: Thanks,
:
: DM
:
:
:
 
...winston said:
The first account created in a new Vista install is a user account with
admin rights.
Click to expand...

Good. Thanks.
Install the balance of the Vista designed or compatible software.
Click to expand...

Duh.... are you referencing something from the OS install disc?

I will *not* add software or peripherals to this box until I have a
decent grip on the OS. This install is for nothing but learning
purposes.
Then create a second limited account for normal use.
Click to expand...

Why would I do that? My whole purpose here is to keep the OS
as streamlined and file-free as possible. I can't see having yet
another set of files created and another set of dumb questions
popping up every times I want to do something.

Anyway... I've been sitting on this OS for several moths, and I've
got ants in my pants to see what all the controversy is about
and why people can't seem to keep it working, so I'll be doing
the install later this evening.
If you've not used Vista...
Click to expand...

Never used it before at all... so all I have is a few months of reading this
group and sitting on the OS box, and the little booklet that came with it.
suggested reading on UAC and
Networking units if applicable.
Click to expand...

Where? Is this something in the OS welcome center or something
I need to peruse on line? There's nothing in the little booklet that
appears to deal with UAC.
..winston
Click to expand...

Thanks for your help.

DM





:I am about to install Vista Home Premium for the first time, on a brand
: new PC with no peripherals and only mother-board aoudio and video.
:
: How can I be certain that I have full rights to the entire PC at all times,
: setting up to be both the primary user and the administrator... preferably
: avoiding any sort of future log in necessity or difficulty with administrative
: "access" issues?
:
: I will do an attended install. Is there any compilation of basic 'tips' out there
: for a setup that would enable the above and make future issues less of a
: problem (than I see while reading this group) ?
:
: Thanks,
:
: DM
:
:
:
 
Just jump in... the water's fine.


David Morgan (MAMS) said:
Good. Thanks.


Duh.... are you referencing something from the OS install disc?

I will *not* add software or peripherals to this box until I have a
decent grip on the OS. This install is for nothing but learning
purposes.


Why would I do that? My whole purpose here is to keep the OS
as streamlined and file-free as possible. I can't see having yet
another set of files created and another set of dumb questions
popping up every times I want to do something.

Anyway... I've been sitting on this OS for several moths, and I've
got ants in my pants to see what all the controversy is about
and why people can't seem to keep it working, so I'll be doing
the install later this evening.


Never used it before at all... so all I have is a few months of reading
this
group and sitting on the OS box, and the little booklet that came with it.


Where? Is this something in the OS welcome center or something
I need to peruse on line? There's nothing in the little booklet that
appears to deal with UAC.


Thanks for your help.

DM





:I am about to install Vista Home Premium for the first time, on a brand
: new PC with no peripherals and only mother-board aoudio and video.
:
: How can I be certain that I have full rights to the entire PC at all
times,
: setting up to be both the primary user and the administrator...
preferably
: avoiding any sort of future log in necessity or difficulty with
administrative
: "access" issues?
:
: I will do an attended install. Is there any compilation of basic 'tips'
out there
: for a setup that would enable the above and make future issues less of a
: problem (than I see while reading this group) ?
:
: Thanks,
:
: DM
:
:
:
Click to expand...
 
No. et al referencing something on the o/s install disk. You should do it manually.
Even with Vista's more demanding security features using an admin account for normal use is not recommended.
I would read online articles or visit the Visit site, the Msft Technet articles etc..
..winston

:
: > The first account created in a new Vista install is a user account with
: > admin rights.
:
: Good. Thanks.
:
: > Install the balance of the Vista designed or compatible software.
:
: Duh.... are you referencing something from the OS install disc?
:
: I will *not* add software or peripherals to this box until I have a
: decent grip on the OS. This install is for nothing but learning
: purposes.
:
: > Then create a second limited account for normal use.
:
: Why would I do that? My whole purpose here is to keep the OS
: as streamlined and file-free as possible. I can't see having yet
: another set of files created and another set of dumb questions
: popping up every times I want to do something.
:
: Anyway... I've been sitting on this OS for several moths, and I've
: got ants in my pants to see what all the controversy is about
: and why people can't seem to keep it working, so I'll be doing
: the install later this evening.
:
: > If you've not used Vista...
:
: Never used it before at all... so all I have is a few months of reading this
: group and sitting on the OS box, and the little booklet that came with it.
:
: > suggested reading on UAC and
: > Networking units if applicable.
:
: Where? Is this something in the OS welcome center or something
: I need to peruse on line? There's nothing in the little booklet that
: appears to deal with UAC.
:
: > ..winston
:
: Thanks for your help.
:
: DM
:
:
:
:
:
::I am about to install Vista Home Premium for the first time, on a brand
:: new PC with no peripherals and only mother-board aoudio and video.
::
:: How can I be certain that I have full rights to the entire PC at all times,
:: setting up to be both the primary user and the administrator... preferably
:: avoiding any sort of future log in necessity or difficulty with administrative
:: "access" issues?
::
:: I will do an attended install. Is there any compilation of basic 'tips' out there
:: for a setup that would enable the above and make future issues less of a
:: problem (than I see while reading this group) ?
::
:: Thanks,
::
:: DM
::
::
::
:
:
 
Where? Is this something in the OS welcome center or something
I need to peruse on line? There's nothing in the little booklet that
appears to deal with UAC.
Click to expand...

Here are some links with info on UAC.

Inside Windows Vista User Account Control (Mark Russinovich)
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/technetmag/issues/2007/06/UAC/default.aspx

Jesper Johansson's Blog
http://msinfluentials.com/blogs/jes...-about-vista-features-what-uac-really-is.aspx

Why is Windows Vista always asking for my permission: An explanation of UAC
(User Account Control) by
MVP Jimmy Brush
http://www.jimmah.com/vista/security/uac.aspx

Windows Vista User Account Control Step by Step Guide (TechNet)
http://technet2.microsoft.com/Windo...8514-4c9e-ac08-4c21f5c6c2d91033.mspx?mfr=true

Vista does things differently then XP. One issue that seems to confuse
users is that Vista keeps certain folders for use by legacy apps, such as
Documents and Settings, but doesn't store data there. These folders are
junctions that contain a pointer to the actual folder in Vista that contains
the data. There is no need to access them. The only appear if you have
changed the view settings to show hidden folders and display operating
system files. They appear as a faded folder with the shortcut arrow, and
when you try to open them it gives an Access denied message.

If you want to see what folder it points to, open a elevated command prompt,
navigate to the folder that contains the folder in question and give the
command:
dir /al

Junction points are designated by <Junction> and the folder to which it
points is at the end of the line in square brackets. Do not change the
permissions on these junction points. It can cause problems for the same
legacy apps they are they for in the first place.

From a post by Jimmy Brush here is a list of the these XP folders and their
corresponding locations in Vista:
Windows XP Location Windows Vista Location
\Documents and Settings \Users
\Documents and Settings\$USER$\My Documents \Users\$USER$\Documents
\Documents and Settings\$USER$\My Documents\My Music \Users\$USER$\Music
\Documents and Settings\$USER$\My Documents\My Pictures
\Users\$USER$\Pictures
\Documents and Settings\$USER$\My Documents\My Videos
\Users\$USER$\Videos
\Documents and Settings\$USER$\Application Data
\Users\$USER$\AppData\Roaming
\Documents and Settings\$USER$\Cookies
\Users\$USER$\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies
\Documents and Settings\$USER$\Local Settings
\Users\$USER$\AppData\Local
\Documents and Settings\$USER$\NetHood
\Users\$USER$\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Network Shortcuts
\Documents and Settings\$USER$\PrintHood
\Users\$USER$\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Printer Shortcuts
\Documents and Settings\$USER$\Recent
\Users\$USER$\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Recent
\Documents and Settings\$USER$\SendTo
\Users\$USER$\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\SendTo
\Documents and Settings\$USER$\Start Menu
\Users\$USER$\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu
\Documents and Settings\$USER$\Templates
\Users\$USER$\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Templates
\Documents and Settings\$USER$\Local Settings\Application Data
\Users\$USER$\AppData\Local
\Documents and Settings\$USER$\Local Settings\History
\Users\$USER$\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\History
\Documents and Settings\$USER$\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files
\Users\$USER$\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\Temporary Internet Files
\Documents and Settings\All Users \ProgramData
\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data \ProgramData
\Documents and Settings\All Users\Desktop \Users\Public\Desktop
\Documents and Settings\All Users\Documents \Users\Public\Documents
\Documents and Settings\All Users\Favorites \Users\Public\Favorites
\Documents and Settings\All Users\Start Menu
\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu
\Documents and Settings\All Users\Templates
\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Templates
\Documents and Settings\Default User \Users\Default "
 
THANK YOU!

DM


Rock said:
Here are some links with info on UAC.

Inside Windows Vista User Account Control (Mark Russinovich)
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/technetmag/issues/2007/06/UAC/default.aspx

Jesper Johansson's Blog
http://msinfluentials.com/blogs/jes...-about-vista-features-what-uac-really-is.aspx

Why is Windows Vista always asking for my permission: An explanation of UAC
(User Account Control) by
MVP Jimmy Brush
http://www.jimmah.com/vista/security/uac.aspx

Windows Vista User Account Control Step by Step Guide (TechNet)
http://technet2.microsoft.com/Windo...8514-4c9e-ac08-4c21f5c6c2d91033.mspx?mfr=true

Vista does things differently then XP. One issue that seems to confuse
users is that Vista keeps certain folders for use by legacy apps, such as
Documents and Settings, but doesn't store data there. These folders are
junctions that contain a pointer to the actual folder in Vista that contains
the data. There is no need to access them. The only appear if you have
changed the view settings to show hidden folders and display operating
system files. They appear as a faded folder with the shortcut arrow, and
when you try to open them it gives an Access denied message.

If you want to see what folder it points to, open a elevated command prompt,
navigate to the folder that contains the folder in question and give the
command:
dir /al

Junction points are designated by <Junction> and the folder to which it
points is at the end of the line in square brackets. Do not change the
permissions on these junction points. It can cause problems for the same
legacy apps they are they for in the first place.

From a post by Jimmy Brush here is a list of the these XP folders and their
corresponding locations in Vista:
Windows XP Location Windows Vista Location
\Documents and Settings \Users
\Documents and Settings\$USER$\My Documents \Users\$USER$\Documents
\Documents and Settings\$USER$\My Documents\My Music \Users\$USER$\Music
\Documents and Settings\$USER$\My Documents\My Pictures
\Users\$USER$\Pictures
\Documents and Settings\$USER$\My Documents\My Videos
\Users\$USER$\Videos
\Documents and Settings\$USER$\Application Data
\Users\$USER$\AppData\Roaming
\Documents and Settings\$USER$\Cookies
\Users\$USER$\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies
\Documents and Settings\$USER$\Local Settings
\Users\$USER$\AppData\Local
\Documents and Settings\$USER$\NetHood
\Users\$USER$\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Network Shortcuts
\Documents and Settings\$USER$\PrintHood
\Users\$USER$\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Printer Shortcuts
\Documents and Settings\$USER$\Recent
\Users\$USER$\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Recent
\Documents and Settings\$USER$\SendTo
\Users\$USER$\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\SendTo
\Documents and Settings\$USER$\Start Menu
\Users\$USER$\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu
\Documents and Settings\$USER$\Templates
\Users\$USER$\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Templates
\Documents and Settings\$USER$\Local Settings\Application Data
\Users\$USER$\AppData\Local
\Documents and Settings\$USER$\Local Settings\History
\Users\$USER$\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\History
\Documents and Settings\$USER$\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files
\Users\$USER$\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\Temporary Internet Files
\Documents and Settings\All Users \ProgramData
\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data \ProgramData
\Documents and Settings\All Users\Desktop \Users\Public\Desktop
\Documents and Settings\All Users\Documents \Users\Public\Documents
\Documents and Settings\All Users\Favorites \Users\Public\Favorites
\Documents and Settings\All Users\Start Menu
\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu
\Documents and Settings\All Users\Templates
\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Templates
\Documents and Settings\Default User \Users\Default "
Click to expand...
 
No. et al referencing something on the o/s install disk. You should do it manually.
Even with Vista's more demanding security features using an admin account for
normal use is not recommended.
I would read online articles or visit the Visit site, the Msft Technet articles etc..
..winston
______________________________


Once the OS is registered, this box will not see the light of the internet until
I have a grip on the OS. Security is a bad joke, IMHO. I've had one virus
in 9 years of surfing with NO anti-virus software what-so-ever... and it came
via e-mail, not from resting on the web. I'm talking about multiple PCs in
multiple locations... not just one surfing toy. I'll be doing no banking, no
surfing, no e-mailing.... this box is solely for the purpose of learning my
way around the most basic VISTA OS.

I got through the very simple and quick install, left for dinner with the initial
welcome screen up for perusal... hadn't even opened the start menu yet.
Just clicking on some of the feature sets for more information resulted in
stupid boxes asking me if it was ok to do what I wanted to do. When I
returned, not only was the monitor shut off and the drives powered down,
but the whole damned computer had shut down - although the power switch
brought me back to the same place as when I left, so I suppose this was
some sort of hibernation or sleep mode.... something I though that I had
rejected in the BIOS.

As I learn and customize the OS, perhaps I'll add some software or surf
the net with it... until then, I can already see that I am looking a piece of
software that is telling *me* what I want to do with my computer and how;
or even worse, questioning me every time I want DO to do something that's
even remotely basic. "Are you sure you want to look at this folder?" Sheeesh.
Surely there's a way to shut all that crapola down so that I have a platform
thats not coming between me and any future software or hardware I'd like
it to run.

All I can see, is that I will be tweaking and shutting as much of this interference
down (starting with that *stupid* side-bar running slides, showing me a watch
face, and asking me what new channel I'dike to see) as is humanly possible
for some time to come.... so I appreciate any tips on doing so.

If it can't be made into a quiet, unoticeable platform for smooth work, I'm
looking at the wrong OS for what I need to do. This reminds me a lot of
Millenium Edition at first glance.... I threw that one into the wastebasket
after about 6 weeks of heartache, that many years ago. Sorry... I may
be a bit over-influenced by my weeks of reading this group, but having
not even gotten to the start menu yet, I see what many people are talking
about as being bothersome.


Thanks again,

DM




:
: > The first account created in a new Vista install is a user account with
: > admin rights.
:
: Good. Thanks.
:
: > Install the balance of the Vista designed or compatible software.
:
: Duh.... are you referencing something from the OS install disc?
:
: I will *not* add software or peripherals to this box until I have a
: decent grip on the OS. This install is for nothing but learning
: purposes.
:
: > Then create a second limited account for normal use.
:
: Why would I do that? My whole purpose here is to keep the OS
: as streamlined and file-free as possible. I can't see having yet
: another set of files created and another set of dumb questions
: popping up every times I want to do something.
:
: Anyway... I've been sitting on this OS for several moths, and I've
: got ants in my pants to see what all the controversy is about
: and why people can't seem to keep it working, so I'll be doing
: the install later this evening.
:
: > If you've not used Vista...
:
: Never used it before at all... so all I have is a few months of reading this
: group and sitting on the OS box, and the little booklet that came with it.
:
: > suggested reading on UAC and
: > Networking units if applicable.
:
: Where? Is this something in the OS welcome center or something
: I need to peruse on line? There's nothing in the little booklet that
: appears to deal with UAC.
:
: > ..winston
:
: Thanks for your help.
:
: DM
:
:
:
:
:
::I am about to install Vista Home Premium for the first time, on a brand
:: new PC with no peripherals and only mother-board aoudio and video.
::
:: How can I be certain that I have full rights to the entire PC at all times,
:: setting up to be both the primary user and the administrator... preferably
:: avoiding any sort of future log in necessity or difficulty with administrative
:: "access" issues?
::
:: I will do an attended install. Is there any compilation of basic 'tips' out there
:: for a setup that would enable the above and make future issues less of a
:: problem (than I see while reading this group) ?
::
:: Thanks,
::
:: DM
::
::
::
:
:
 
Vista Activation is required, registration is not.
You might find that without Internet Access Vista will be limited(no updates, less search and help).
ME lasted less on my machines.
Good Luck!
...winston

:
: No. et al referencing something on the o/s install disk. You should do it manually.
: Even with Vista's more demanding security features using an admin account for
: normal use is not recommended.
: I would read online articles or visit the Visit site, the Msft Technet articles etc..
: ..winston
: ______________________________
:
:
: Once the OS is registered, this box will not see the light of the internet until
: I have a grip on the OS.
: If it can't be made into a quiet, unoticeable platform for smooth work, I'm
: looking at the wrong OS for what I need to do. This reminds me a lot of
: Millenium Edition at first glance.... I threw that one into the wastebasket
: after about 6 weeks of heartache, that many years ago.
 
...winston said:
You might find that without Internet Access ...
Click to expand...

I have access in every room of my house and office.
... Vista will be limited (no updates, less search and help).
Click to expand...

If there are any updates, I'll get them upon activation. I can use any
of a dozen other PC for searching, and hopefully people like you will
answer the questions that aren't in the on-board help. ;-) This PC
will sit in a corner until such time as I can control the OS, rather
than vice-versa.


I've spent the majority of my spare time today looking for a
way to turn off those stupid pop-up 'permission' windows.

Can it be done?


TIA,

DM
 
See Rock's post on UAC in this thread or search via Google.

:
:
: > Just jump in... the water's fine.
:
: So far, it's murky as hell.
:
: How does one turn off UAC ??
:
:
 
...winston said:
See Rock's post on UAC in this thread or search via Google.
Click to expand...

Thanks... haven't had much time for reading yet... still making my way
into the OS.... very, very troublesome to tweak into something quiet.
About ten hours now of steadily turning things off. I suppose it *is*
about time to take a break and do some reading.

Cheers...



:
:
: > Just jump in... the water's fine.
:
: So far, it's murky as hell.
:
: How does one turn off UAC ??
:
:
 
You might wish to read prior to tweaking..doing so could lead to further problems due to Vista's way of doing things.
...winston

:
:
: > See Rock's post on UAC in this thread or search via Google.
:
: Thanks... haven't had much time for reading yet... still making my way
: into the OS.... very, very troublesome to tweak into something quiet.
: About ten hours now of steadily turning things off. I suppose it *is*
: about time to take a break and do some reading.
:
: Cheers...
:
:
:
::
::
:: > Just jump in... the water's fine.
::
:: So far, it's murky as hell.
::
:: How does one turn off UAC ??
::
::
:
:
 
...winston said:
You might wish to read prior to tweaking...
Click to expand...

Thanks. :-\
doing so could lead to
further problems due to Vista's way of doing things.
Click to expand...

It's Vista's "way of doing things" that I'm trying to overcome.
...winston
Click to expand...

Yes, yes... and I've seen all the little grade-school level tutorials in the
OS and on-line at Vista - basically wasted time, but I thought that just
*maybe* they would tell a person how to shut some of that irritating,
superfluous hogwash down.

I'm also wondering why my new 160Gig drive only allowed Vista to
see 146Gig, and why the operating system appears to have consumed
13Gig... as now there's only 133Gig left available.

.... And why it took almost two hours for Vista to examine the drive when
I thought it was actually defragging the install, just to come back and tell
me that the drive did not need to be defragged at this time. I told it to
defrag, and apparently, there's no way to see the process.... so did it
defrag or not?

I want to remove the MSN folder from the programs list on the C: drive
in the event the kids get to play with this box some day - I don't want them
signing up. Apparently, this can not be done either.... I'm flagged that I am
not authorized to do this... AFTER it goes through the motions of sending
it to the recycle bin. The folder stays and the bin is empty and the flag
denies permission.

I'm trying to customize the start menu, and practically none of the files can
be seen in Vista mode, and in 'classic' mode only a hand full of the items
I'd like to move around can be seen.

I'm trying to add Windows Explorer to the quick-start menu, and I get a
flag on that too. A shortcut will go to the desktop but not to the menu bar.
And yes, it's unlocked.

and I'm just getting started.... hmmmmmmmmmmm




Thanks again,

DM
 
Thanks. :-\


It's Vista's "way of doing things" that I'm trying to overcome.


Yes, yes... and I've seen all the little grade-school level tutorials in
the
OS and on-line at Vista - basically wasted time, but I thought that just
*maybe* they would tell a person how to shut some of that irritating,
superfluous hogwash down.

I'm also wondering why my new 160Gig drive only allowed Vista to
see 146Gig, and why the operating system appears to have consumed
13Gig... as now there's only 133Gig left available.
Click to expand...

A drive the manufacturer says is 160GB should show up in XP and Vista as a
drive of 148.8 GB. Multiply the manufacturer stated size by .93. That's do
to their stating size where 1GB - 10x9 bytes.

I don't remember what size the initial installation was on this system. Now
with quite a few apps and the restore points and shadow copies it occupies
22GB.
... And why it took almost two hours for Vista to examine the drive when
I thought it was actually defragging the install, just to come back and
tell
me that the drive did not need to be defragged at this time. I told it to
defrag, and apparently, there's no way to see the process.... so did it
defrag or not?
Click to expand...

It does take a long time for the built in defragmenter to analyse the drive.
When using the GUI to defrag it checks and if needed defrags all volumes. I
doubt if it actually defragged. Defrag runs at low priority with a special
low IO mode even when the system is otherwise "idle". It can take a long
time to defrag the drive. That's one reason the default is set to run at a
late hour when the computer is normally not being used. A set it and forget
it approach.

You can manually check the degree of fragmentation and manually defrag a
particular volume from an elevated command prompt using the command line
tool, defrag. To get to an elevated command prompt, from Start type in cmd,
right click on it at the top left, Run as Administrator. Do defrag /? to
see the options.
 
Rock said:
"David Morgan (MAMS)" wrote
Click to expand...

I don't suppose there's a chance in hell of treating VISTA as a single user
PC and shutting off UAC is there ????
A drive the manufacturer says is 160GB should show up in XP and Vista as a
drive of 148.8 GB. Multiply the manufacturer stated size by .93. That's do
to their stating size where 1GB - 10x9 bytes.
Click to expand...

I'm loading another copy of XP Pro into another new machine this evening...
I'll check that drive size, thanks.
I don't remember what size the initial installation was on this system. Now
with quite a few apps and the restore points and shadow copies it occupies
22GB.
Click to expand...

Shadow copies..... How can I find and disable this ?????

I've already found and shut down something like, "save images of files
on both machines when two machines are connected" or something...
Hmmm... sorry.
It does take a long time for the built in defragmenter to analyse the drive.
When using the GUI to defrag it checks and if needed defrags all volumes. I
doubt if it actually defragged. Defrag runs at low priority with a special
low IO mode even when the system is otherwise "idle". It can take a long
time to defrag the drive. That's one reason the default is set to run at a
late hour when the computer is normally not being used. A set it and forget
it approach.
Click to expand...

I'm turning off *everything* that is automatic, as I always have on every
machine.

Speaking of which... apparently I haven't been keeping up with "Task
Scheduler", which I can shut off in everything up through XP, and in
XP I've avoided allowing it to do anything but monitor.

What's the skinny here in VISTA? It looks like it's got crap that doesn't
apply to me running all of the time... including building logs of everything
I am now doing (and apparently will ever do), and scheduling them to be
sent to MS once any connection is made.

By "what's the skinny" I mean, I see that "Task Scheduler" has attempted
80 tasks within the past 24 hours. 46 of them have succeeded, 31 of them
have been stopped (I suppose by shut-downs), and three are currently
running. All three of those could be shut down as they aren't applicable
and revealed no consequences (multiple monitors, system sound service,

This should be interesting... I guess I have about 26 days left to screw
it up.

What is a "Crawl Type Start Address" ?

AAMOF, where can I find a list of these scheduled tasks and what they
are... or am I just going to have to browse every single one of them?
You can manually check the degree of fragmentation and manually defrag a
particular volume from an elevated command prompt using the command line
tool, defrag. To get to an elevated command prompt, from Start type in cmd,
right click on it at the top left, Run as Administrator. Do defrag /? to
see the options.
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Thanks.... I may try that, as there's no way of knowing whether the task
of defragging was completed or if only the disc analysis was completed.

Still no luck.... and now my recycle bin keeps disappearing....

Drag & drop on the shortcuts seems to work better than 'customize'.

Still no luck here.

Another serious anomaly.... when I am browsing through the contents of C:
using Windows Explorer, I can not move backwards. Any attempt to move
backwards results in being immediately returned to "My Documents" !!!!!!
WTHeck is going on there?

Thanks again for the time,

DM
 
David Morgan (MAMS) said:
I don't suppose there's a chance in hell of treating VISTA as a single user
PC and shutting off UAC is there ????
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This question still stands.
I'm loading another copy of XP Pro into another new machine this evening...
I'll check that drive size, thanks.
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You're correct.
Shadow copies..... How can I find and disable this ?????
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THis question still stands.

I'm turning off *everything* that is automatic, as I always have on every
machine.
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I'm having success (thus far) turning off a huge numbers of "Scheduled Tasks"

Speaking of which... apparently I haven't been keeping up with "Task
Scheduler", which I can shut off in everything up through XP, and in
XP I've avoided allowing it to do anything but monitor.

What's the skinny here in VISTA? It looks like it's got crap that doesn't
apply to me running all of the time... including building logs of everything
I am now doing (and apparently will ever do), and scheduling them to be
sent to MS once any connection is made.

By "what's the skinny" I mean, I see that "Task Scheduler" has attempted
80 tasks within the past 24 hours. 46 of them have succeeded, 31 of them
have been stopped (I suppose by shut-downs), and three are currently
running. All three of those could be shut down as they aren't applicable
and revealed no consequences (multiple monitors, system sound service,

This should be interesting... I guess I have about 26 days left to screw
it up.

What is a "Crawl Type Start Address" ?
Click to expand...

This question still stands

AAMOF, where can I find a list of these scheduled tasks and what they
are... or am I just going to have to browse every single one of them?


Thanks.... I may try that, as there's no way of knowing whether the task
of defragging was completed or if only the disc analysis was completed.
Click to expand...

I still can't tell whether or not the machine is actually defragged.... because
the result remains, "You do not need to defrag at this time".

Recommend 3rd party de-frag tool?
Still no luck....
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I am still denied access to the re-cycle bin. I am Administrator / single user.

Any help ??
 
This question still stands.
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Yes you can turn off UAC. From Start | Help and Support search on UAC for
the info. There are several ways.

THis question still stands.
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I don't know for sure, haven't looked into it. But you can limit the amount
of space allocated to it using the vssadmin command line tool from an
elevated command prompt. Do vssadmin /? for the options. This will affect
system restore points and backups made with Complete PC Backup.
I'm having success (thus far) turning off a huge numbers of "Scheduled
Tasks"
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Ok though I'm not sure why you want to, but then it's your system. :-)
Have fun.

This question still stands
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Sorry don't have a clue.

I don't know of a source.
I still can't tell whether or not the machine is actually defragged....
because
the result remains, "You do not need to defrag at this time".

Recommend 3rd party de-frag tool?
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I think it's a waste of money, but there are several. PerfectDisk 8 is the
only one I have experience with and it works fine. It has one gotcha I've
heard about. For reasons Raxco is not sure of at the moment, sometimes,
when doing a boot time defragmentation, all restore points and shadow copies
can be lost.

There is also Diskeeper, O&O defrag has its advocates, and there is at least
one other, but I forget it's name.
I am still denied access to the re-cycle bin. I am Administrator / single
user.

Any help ??
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Don't know. Good luck.
 
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