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Being a newbie of admittedly severely limited mental capacity, but always
wanting the latest things, I love any beta release of anything. Here are
some tips that will help some people with their struggles to enjoy Vista Beta
2.

1. It is a Beta. If it worked perfectly, had all the drivers you need, and
so on and so forth, it wouldn’t be a Beta. The whole purpose of a Beta is so
that a group of people can TEST the software and find the problems. So when
you find a problem, that’s the whole point!

2. Search the forum and the internet for an answer or at least an existing
dialogue of your particular issue BEFORE posting a question. Andre and Zack
are extremely busy, answering redundant, redundant questions and commenting
on our inability to read. If they only have to deal with the same issue 300
times instead of 400 times, they will have more time to deal with your issue,
the one that is more important than any other.

3. If your hardware, the “Unobtanium Does Everything†thing won’t work, that
usually means that the Unobtanium Corporation hasn’t done their job to help
you. First see item 2. Then go to Unobtanium’s support sites. Microsoft
didn’t build the thing, and if they had the drivers, they would have included
them in the Beta to start with. Either that, or Microsoft is out to get you,
personally, and is doing this to you on purpose.

4. Will “Whizbang’s†software be compatible? Will it rain next Friday at
2:46pm? Who knows? Try it, and if it works, great, if it doesn’t, complain
to Whizbang. I never expected my Atari 2600 to run Coleco games, after all…

5. For this Beta, Windows Vista, do yourself a favour and do a clean
install. Empty partitions are great for this. Don’t have one? See item 2.
Don’t know what a partition is? See item 2. Don’t know how to make a new
partition? See item 2. Need software to make a partition? See item 2. Too
inept or scared to try to make a new partition? Well, the world needs
grocery baggers too, I suppose. You’ll be so much farther ahead without old
drivers and .dll’s cluttering up the install you will make your goofy
brother-in-law very jealous. The one with his dishwasher networked in to his
toaster-oven with Wi-Fi.

6. Back-up everything. Twice. Then back that up. Then install. Don’t
upgrade.

7. Don’t like Vista? “C:\ FORMATâ€. It’s the only way. You did back up all
you stuff, right?

8. Buy the DVD instead of downloading. It’s less than $20.00. You have
enough in change between the couch and your car ashtray. First of all, you
then have somebody to blame besides yourself if it doesn’t work. Second of
all, there’s a rumour that it has “bloopers†at the end for your enjoyment.

9. Just a thought, but if you lack the technical expertise to burn an .iso
to a DVD successfully, what makes you think you can load SATA drivers during
a botched install from a floppy you don’t have? And now you’ve overwritten
some of your existing operating system because you tried to upgrade instead
of doing a clean install. You did back up all your stuff, right?

10. If you find a bug, meaning something that doesn’t work, see item 1.
Then see item 2. Then report it to Microsoft. How? See item 2. Why? So
that Microsoft can address the issue, and so that you feel empowered, instead
of like a thirty-something social miss-fit who still lives with his mother.

Hope this helps!
 
Great tips!

Mark D. VandenBerg said:
Being a newbie of admittedly severely limited mental capacity, but always
wanting the latest things, I love any beta release of anything. Here are
some tips that will help some people with their struggles to enjoy Vista
Beta
2.

1. It is a Beta. If it worked perfectly, had all the drivers you need, and
so on and so forth, it wouldn't be a Beta. The whole purpose of a Beta is
so
that a group of people can TEST the software and find the problems. So
when
you find a problem, that's the whole point!

2. Search the forum and the internet for an answer or at least an existing
dialogue of your particular issue BEFORE posting a question. Andre and
Zack
are extremely busy, answering redundant, redundant questions and
commenting
on our inability to read. If they only have to deal with the same issue
300
times instead of 400 times, they will have more time to deal with your
issue,
the one that is more important than any other.

3. If your hardware, the "Unobtanium Does Everything" thing won't work,
that
usually means that the Unobtanium Corporation hasn't done their job to
help
you. First see item 2. Then go to Unobtanium's support sites. Microsoft
didn't build the thing, and if they had the drivers, they would have
included
them in the Beta to start with. Either that, or Microsoft is out to get
you,
personally, and is doing this to you on purpose.

4. Will "Whizbang's" software be compatible? Will it rain next Friday at
2:46pm? Who knows? Try it, and if it works, great, if it doesn't, complain
to Whizbang. I never expected my Atari 2600 to run Coleco games, after
all.

5. For this Beta, Windows Vista, do yourself a favour and do a clean
install. Empty partitions are great for this. Don't have one? See item 2.
Don't know what a partition is? See item 2. Don't know how to make a new
partition? See item 2. Need software to make a partition? See item 2. Too
inept or scared to try to make a new partition? Well, the world needs
grocery baggers too, I suppose. You'll be so much farther ahead without
old
drivers and .dll's cluttering up the install you will make your goofy
brother-in-law very jealous. The one with his dishwasher networked in to
his
toaster-oven with Wi-Fi.

6. Back-up everything. Twice. Then back that up. Then install. Don't
upgrade.

7. Don't like Vista? "C:\ FORMAT". It's the only way. You did back up all
you stuff, right?

8. Buy the DVD instead of downloading. It's less than $20.00. You have
enough in change between the couch and your car ashtray. First of all, you
then have somebody to blame besides yourself if it doesn't work. Second of
all, there's a rumour that it has "bloopers" at the end for your
enjoyment.

9. Just a thought, but if you lack the technical expertise to burn an .iso
to a DVD successfully, what makes you think you can load SATA drivers
during
a botched install from a floppy you don't have? And now you've overwritten
some of your existing operating system because you tried to upgrade
instead
of doing a clean install. You did back up all your stuff, right?

10. If you find a bug, meaning something that doesn't work, see item 1.
Then see item 2. Then report it to Microsoft. How? See item 2. Why? So
that Microsoft can address the issue, and so that you feel empowered,
instead
of like a thirty-something social miss-fit who still lives with his
mother.

Hope this helps!
 
OUTSTANDING !!!


Mark D. VandenBerg said:
Being a newbie of admittedly severely limited mental capacity, but always
wanting the latest things, I love any beta release of anything. Here are
some tips that will help some people with their struggles to enjoy Vista
Beta
2.

1. It is a Beta. If it worked perfectly, had all the drivers you need, and
so on and so forth, it wouldn't be a Beta. The whole purpose of a Beta is
so
that a group of people can TEST the software and find the problems. So
when
you find a problem, that's the whole point!

2. Search the forum and the internet for an answer or at least an existing
dialogue of your particular issue BEFORE posting a question. Andre and
Zack
are extremely busy, answering redundant, redundant questions and
commenting
on our inability to read. If they only have to deal with the same issue
300
times instead of 400 times, they will have more time to deal with your
issue,
the one that is more important than any other.

3. If your hardware, the "Unobtanium Does Everything" thing won't work,
that
usually means that the Unobtanium Corporation hasn't done their job to
help
you. First see item 2. Then go to Unobtanium's support sites. Microsoft
didn't build the thing, and if they had the drivers, they would have
included
them in the Beta to start with. Either that, or Microsoft is out to get
you,
personally, and is doing this to you on purpose.

4. Will "Whizbang's" software be compatible? Will it rain next Friday at
2:46pm? Who knows? Try it, and if it works, great, if it doesn't, complain
to Whizbang. I never expected my Atari 2600 to run Coleco games, after
all.

5. For this Beta, Windows Vista, do yourself a favour and do a clean
install. Empty partitions are great for this. Don't have one? See item 2.
Don't know what a partition is? See item 2. Don't know how to make a new
partition? See item 2. Need software to make a partition? See item 2. Too
inept or scared to try to make a new partition? Well, the world needs
grocery baggers too, I suppose. You'll be so much farther ahead without
old
drivers and .dll's cluttering up the install you will make your goofy
brother-in-law very jealous. The one with his dishwasher networked in to
his
toaster-oven with Wi-Fi.

6. Back-up everything. Twice. Then back that up. Then install. Don't
upgrade.

7. Don't like Vista? "C:\ FORMAT". It's the only way. You did back up all
you stuff, right?

8. Buy the DVD instead of downloading. It's less than $20.00. You have
enough in change between the couch and your car ashtray. First of all, you
then have somebody to blame besides yourself if it doesn't work. Second of
all, there's a rumour that it has "bloopers" at the end for your
enjoyment.

9. Just a thought, but if you lack the technical expertise to burn an .iso
to a DVD successfully, what makes you think you can load SATA drivers
during
a botched install from a floppy you don't have? And now you've overwritten
some of your existing operating system because you tried to upgrade
instead
of doing a clean install. You did back up all your stuff, right?

10. If you find a bug, meaning something that doesn't work, see item 1.
Then see item 2. Then report it to Microsoft. How? See item 2. Why? So
that Microsoft can address the issue, and so that you feel empowered,
instead
of like a thirty-something social miss-fit who still lives with his
mother.

Hope this helps!
 
Always enjoyable. I forgot about the ol search option, doh.
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system:
AMD 64 3000, MSI k8t Neo,1.5 gig RAM, WD Raptor SATA 74G HD, eVGA 6800 GT,
SB live value, Vista beta 2 64 bit/XP Pro 64 bit...
Thanks,
BJBB
 
Being a newbie of admittedly severely limited mental capacity, but always
wanting the latest things, I love any beta release of anything. Here are
some tips that will help some people with their struggles to enjoy Vista Beta
2.

1. It is a Beta. If it worked perfectly, had all the drivers you need, and
so on and so forth, it wouldn’t be a Beta. The whole purpose of a Beta is so
that a group of people can TEST the software and find the problems. So when
you find a problem, that’s the whole point!

2. Search the forum and the internet for an answer or at least an existing
dialogue of your particular issue BEFORE posting a question. Andre and Zack
are extremely busy, answering redundant, redundant questions and commenting
on our inability to read. If they only have to deal with the same issue 300
times instead of 400 times, they will have more time to deal with your issue,
the one that is more important than any other.

After reading one idiotic posting after another, I am surprised that
ANYONE who knows anything is going to want to read another one, much
less respond helpfully to one.
3. If your hardware, the “Unobtanium Does Everything” thing won’t work, that
usually

I take offense to the word "usually", and would prefer that you had
used the word "always" instead, since Microsoft just doesn't write
drivers at all (even, apparently, for their own hardware).
means that the Unobtanium Corporation hasn’t done their job to help
you. First see item 2. Then go to Unobtanium’s support sites. Microsoft
didn’t build the thing, and if they had the drivers, they would have included
them in the Beta to start with.

Since Microsoft is NOT In the business of writing hardware drivers,
they will NEVER be included in the basic install of Vista UNLESS the
manufacturer has worked with Microsoft to release a driver for their
product. While many manufacturers do work with Microsoft, many do
not, and you will have to get the drivers for their products from
them. Many manufacturers wait till the final RTM of an OS before
starting work on a compatible driver.


If the manufacturer of your device fails to provide a compatible
driver, it will NEVER WORK in Vista, no matter HOW HARD YOU TRY. So,
stop trying, and buy a device for which the provided driver DOES work
in Vista.

Let's face it, if the manufacturer won't support its own products, no
one else is going to, either.
Either that, or Microsoft is out to get you,
personally, and is doing this to you on purpose.

Right, right...
Now, tell me about the giant rabbit named Harvey you talk with every
day.

Microsoft wants to SELL product, not let it sit on the shelf with no
users.

Contrary to what many of us believe, Microsoft does NOT have a
planning group somewhere on its campus in Redmond thinking up ways to
make sure your pet device won't work with its latest OS offeriing.
4. Will “Whizbang’s” software be compatible? Will it rain next Friday at
2:46pm? Who knows? Try it, and if it works, great, if it doesn’t, complain
to Whizbang. I never expected my Atari 2600 to run Coleco games, after all…

I certainly expect my Intel iMac to run Windows games. Don't know
about your Systemax.
5. For this Beta, Windows Vista, do yourself a favour and do a clean
install. Empty partitions are great for this. Don’t have one? See item 2.
Don’t know what a partition is? See item 2. Don’t know how to make a new
partition? See item 2.

Personally, if you don't know how to make a partition in Windows (or
for that matter, even what a partition is), I advise you NOT to
attempt to install Vista Beta 2.

By the way, if your Internet connection is only a dialup, I also
advise you to lay aside any hopes of running Vista or any modern OS
for that matter. I'm sure a few HAVE succeeded in downloading Vista
over their dinky-assed dialups, but I certianly would never try it
myself. It would be an exercise in frustration.
Need software to make a partition? See item 2. Too
inept or scared to try to make a new partition? Well, the world needs
grocery baggers too, I suppose. You’ll be so much farther ahead without old
drivers and .dll’s cluttering up the install you will make your goofy
brother-in-law very jealous. The one with his dishwasher networked in to his
toaster-oven with Wi-Fi.

Don't forget the clock on the wall networked in with the dishwasher
and toaster oven. You have just not lived until you can change the
time on your Wall-Clock from your desktop keyboard.
6. Back-up everything. Twice. Then back that up. Then install. Don’t
upgrade.

Agreed. The only time I've EVER "Upgraded" a Windows product was when
I purchase the original "Step-up" edition of ME for $49.95 rather than
the $129 that Microsoft wanted for the Retail product. And then I
found out that I didn't need to do the "Upgrade" in the first place.
Just install it clean. Sometimes, Microsoft can be very helpful.
7. Don’t like Vista? “C:\ FORMAT”. It’s the only way. You did back up all
you stuff, right?

Why use the old "format" program? Why not just do the formatting from
within the XP installer? It will be much simpler. Anyway, the old
format program can't create partitions. To do that you would need
"fdisk" instead.

I have NEVER been able to understand those who use DOS to prepare
their XP partition, then complain because they don't know how to use
the "convert" program to convert their partitions to NTFS. And why
convert a partition in the first place? Isn't it better to just
format the partition as NTFS in the first place? Why take a chance
for data corruption by adding an extra step using "convert?
8. Buy the DVD instead of downloading. It’s less than $20.00. You have
enough in change between the couch and your car ashtray. First of all, you
then have somebody to blame besides yourself if it doesn’t work. Second of
all, there’s a rumour that it has “bloopers” at the end for your enjoyment.

Bloopers? Does that mean that the installer is munged up more than it
already is?
9. Just a thought, but if you lack the technical expertise to burn an .iso
to a DVD successfully, what makes you think you can load SATA drivers during
a botched install from a floppy you don’t have? And now you’ve overwritten
some of your existing operating system because you tried to upgrade instead
of doing a clean install. You did back up all your stuff, right?

If you lack this technical knowledge, why are you wanting to put
another OS on your computer anyway?
10. If you find a bug, meaning something that doesn’t work, see item 1.

Some of these "somethings which won't work" are not bugs, but
unfinished code. Complaining about it is your right, as an American
Citizen, but why not just wait till the RTM is out. Then you will
have plenty of real bugs to complain about.

Then see item 2. Then report it to Microsoft. How? See item 2. Why? So
that Microsoft can address the issue,


My luck is so bad that Microsoft never seems to "address the issue"
until Service Pack 137, so I have pretty much stopped "reporting it to
Microsoft" altogether. Are you listening, Microsoft?
and so that you feel empowered, instead
of like a thirty-something social miss-fit who still lives with his mother.


Hey! That hurt! I am (or used to be) a "thirty-something social
misfit who lived with his mother" up until I was at least 17. Now I'm
a "sixty-something social misfit who lives with his brother".

By the way, I felt "disempowered" the minute my 5 hour download of
Vista failed to install because it was a bad download caused by the
damn server stopping several times during the download.

I'm sure many others are feeling "disempowered" because their
"official" Microsoft-issued CD keys are failing to authenicate.
Hope this helps!

Hope this helps, too.


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