avast blocks nntp traffic

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badgolferman

I have been using the new version of AVAST! for a few months and it
seemed okay. Today it informed me of a program update which I allowed.
After rebooting the computer I could not access any newsgroups with my
newsreader. Suspecting the new update, I stopped the program
monitoring for a few minutes and tried again. This time my newsreader
got through.

I searched for the problem online and saw on the manufacturer's support
forum others reporting the same problem with older versions of the
program. The solution is to disable NNTP scanning in the mail module
or to download the modified mail module from the support site. The
provided link was not any good. I did not install the mail scanning
module in the original installation and did not have any way to change
the settings since the options were not there for the mail module.

Sorry to say AVAST! was uninstalled from my computer and now I am using
MSIE. I may go back to Avira again someday but I don't feel like
tweaking everything to stop the nag screen for now.
 
badgolferman said:
I have been using the new version of AVAST! for a few months and it
seemed okay. Today it informed me of a program update which I allowed.
After rebooting the computer I could not access any newsgroups with my
newsreader. Suspecting the new update, I stopped the program
monitoring for a few minutes and tried again. This time my newsreader
got through.

I searched for the problem online and saw on the manufacturer's support
forum others reporting the same problem with older versions of the
program. The solution is to disable NNTP scanning in the mail module
or to download the modified mail module from the support site. The
provided link was not any good. I did not install the mail scanning
module in the original installation and did not have any way to change
the settings since the options were not there for the mail module.

Sorry to say AVAST! was uninstalled from my computer and now I am using
MSIE. I may go back to Avira again someday but I don't feel like
tweaking everything to stop the nag screen for now.
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Did you mean Microsoft Security Essentials?
 
badgolferman said:
I have been using the new version of AVAST! for a few months and it
seemed okay. Today it informed me of a program update which I allowed.
After rebooting the computer I could not access any newsgroups with my
newsreader. Suspecting the new update, I stopped the program
monitoring for a few minutes and tried again. This time my newsreader
got through.

I searched for the problem online and saw on the manufacturer's support
forum others reporting the same problem with older versions of the
program. The solution is to disable NNTP scanning in the mail module
or to download the modified mail module from the support site. The
provided link was not any good. I did not install the mail scanning
module in the original installation and did not have any way to change
the settings since the options were not there for the mail module.

Sorry to say AVAST! was uninstalled from my computer and now I am using
MSIE. I may go back to Avira again someday but I don't feel like
tweaking everything to stop the nag screen for now.
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NNTP scanning, like e-mail scanning, is superfluous. It changes when
malicious content gets detected but not if it gets detected. I don't
bother installing several of the modules in Avast, including: mail
shield, P2P shield, and IM shield. That leaves me with just the file,
network, web, and behavior real-time shields because those are all you
need. The others are superfluous and simply bloat the product.

For now, I'm also not installing their script shield. There are
programs that have scripts used within them to define their behavior and
their script shield interferes with them. For example, the color scheme
employed by Windows Media Player is defined by a script that gets set to
select a value for the color theme but Avast's script shield interferes
with that internal script so WMP ends up with its default red color
scheme. They thought they fixed it in a later release but it still made
WMP as red for some users.

Their webrep (web reputation) plug-in for web browsers is pathetic. It
mimics the function of the WOT and McAfee SiteAdvisor toolbars. The
idea is to show a rating for web sites found in a search or that you
visit but these ratings are out of date (bad sites haven't been rated
yet, bad sites that changed to be good are still listed as bad, and good
sites get listed as bad because enough users bitched about them but
their reviews show they obviously don't have the brains to really know).
It doesn't take too long when using WOT, SiteAdvisor, or webrep to see
that the vast majority of sites aren't rated and of the few that are
rated there are too many that are incorrectly rated.

Don't bother installing Avast and then disable all the superfluous
shields as that results in Avast bitching with a red tray icon and
notification in its GUI that it's not providing full protection.
Uninstall Avast and then do a *custom* install where you only select to
include the file, network, web, and behavior shields.
 
badgolferman said:
I have been using the new version of AVAST! for a few months and it
seemed okay. Today it informed me of a program update which I
allowed. After rebooting the computer I could not access any
newsgroups with my newsreader. Suspecting the new update, I stopped
the program monitoring for a few minutes and tried again. This time
my newsreader got through.

I searched for the problem online and saw on the manufacturer's
support forum others reporting the same problem with older versions
of the program. The solution is to disable NNTP scanning in the mail
module or to download the modified mail module from the support site.
The provided link was not any good. I did not install the mail
scanning module in the original installation and did not have any way
to change the settings since the options were not there for the mail
module.

Sorry to say AVAST! was uninstalled from my computer and now I am
using MSIE. I may go back to Avira again someday but I don't feel
like tweaking everything to stop the nag screen for now.
Click to expand...

If you get the paid version of Avira there is no nag screen; I know,
what an odd concept to pay for something that works. I don't have an
issue paying for a product that works as intended, but that's just me.
 
VanguardLH said:
Don't bother installing Avast and then disable all the superfluous
shields as that results in Avast bitching with a red tray icon and
notification in its GUI that it's not providing full protection.
Uninstall Avast and then do a custom install where you only select to
include the file, network, web, and behavior shields.
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I DID do that in the first place. I never installed the mail, webrep,
IM shields because I don't use them. Yet the update seemingly did not
recognize that and blocked NNTP traffic, without giving me a way to
undo the blocking.
 
I have been using the new version of AVAST! for a few months and it
seemed okay. Today it informed me of a program update which I allowed.
After rebooting the computer I could not access any newsgroups with my
newsreader. Suspecting the new update, I stopped the program
monitoring for a few minutes and tried again. This time my newsreader
got through.

I searched for the problem online and saw on the manufacturer's support
forum others reporting the same problem with older versions of the
program. The solution is to disable NNTP scanning in the mail module
or to download the modified mail module from the support site. The
provided link was not any good. I did not install the mail scanning
module in the original installation and did not have any way to change
the settings since the options were not there for the mail module.

Sorry to say AVAST! was uninstalled from my computer and now I am using
MSIE. I may go back to Avira again someday but I don't feel like
tweaking everything to stop the nag screen for now.
Click to expand...

If you want to give Avast another chance, take a look at the "Expert
Settings" under the Mail Shield tab. The Mail Shield may be redirecting
your NNTP traffic over the NNTPS (SSL) port 563 instead of the plaintext
NNTP at 119. If your box or your firewall or the corporate firewall or
the NNTP server or ... isn't happy with NNTPS then the connection will
fail. The Expert Settings tab will let you choose no encryption and the
regular port 119, which may restore your Usenet access.
 
Sorry to say AVAST! was uninstalled from my computer and now I am using
MSIE. I may go back to Avira again someday but I don't feel like
tweaking everything to stop the nag screen for now.
Click to expand...

You could have simply unchecked the NNTP scan option... I don't see the
problem.
 
Don't bother installing Avast and then disable all the superfluous
shields as that results in Avast bitching with a red tray icon and
notification in its GUI that it's not providing full protection.
Click to expand...

You can change the settings so it doesn't warn you about those disabled
shields anymore. Uninstall and custom reinstall isn't necessary.
 
s|b said:
You can change the settings so it doesn't warn you about those disabled
shields anymore. Uninstall and custom reinstall isn't necessary.
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But why install superfluous modules that you then disable and also have
to configure not to monitor? If you don't install them in the first
place then you don't have to disable them and you don't have to
reconfigure the status monitor to ignore the disabled modules. Why
throw cherries into your apple pie that you then have to remove so it's
just an apple pie?
 
Rich said:
If you want to give Avast another chance, take a look at the "Expert
Settings" under the Mail Shield tab. ...
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If the OP is being truthful, in his reply to my reply (and in his
starter post but I missed it as did you), he said that he did NOT
include the Mail shield in an install of free Avast. So that
transparent proxy isn't there. While other users were reporting the
NNTP block problem, the OP's description of their posts makes it clear
that they did install the Mail shield. He did not.

For some reason, Avast is blocking only NNTP (well, that's what we are
to assume from the OP's mention of only NNTP traffic blocking) and
supposedly without the presence of the Mail shield.

However, since the OP has uninstall Avast (and went to MSE), there's
nothing we can do to troubleshoot the problem for him. He changed the
environment *before* he even posted here so I'm not sure what he wants
us to help him with.
 
VanguardLH said:
stopped >> the program monitoring for a few minutes and tried again.
This time >> my newsreader got through.

If the OP is being truthful, in his reply to my reply (and in his
starter post but I missed it as did you), he said that he did NOT
include the Mail shield in an install of free Avast. So that
transparent proxy isn't there. While other users were reporting the
NNTP block problem, the OP's description of their posts makes it clear
that they did install the Mail shield. He did not.

For some reason, Avast is blocking only NNTP (well, that's what we are
to assume from the OP's mention of only NNTP traffic blocking) and
supposedly without the presence of the Mail shield.

However, since the OP has uninstall Avast (and went to MSE), there's
nothing we can do to troubleshoot the problem for him. He changed the
environment before he even posted here so I'm not sure what he wants
us to help him with.
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I posted to inform the group of the problem with the Avast update.

Frankly I'm somewhat offended by the statement "If the OP is being
truthful...". There's no reason for an insinuation like that.

I clearly stated in my original post I had not installed the mail
shield in the first place so there are no options to configure. I also
said there were reports on the forum of older versions having the NNTP
blocked by the mail shield. I also stated the computer had been
rebooted.

What else do you think I am not being truthful about?
 
s|b said:
You could have simply unchecked the NNTP scan option... I don't see
the problem.
Click to expand...

The problem is those settings are not available to me. The mail shield
was never installed on the original installation and the program update
somehow enabled the NNTP blocking, but it never gives any setting to
disable it.
 
badgolferman said:
I posted to inform the group of the problem with the Avast update.

Frankly I'm somewhat offended by the statement "If the OP is being
truthful...". There's no reason for an insinuation like that.
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I meant if what you said were true. Better would have been to say "If
the OP is true" or "If the OP is correct". Users often make assumptions
or conclusions that turn out incorrect/untrue. Without the Avast
environment, there's nothing there to verify anymore so we can only make
guesses as to what happened.
 
The problem is those settings are not available to me. The mail shield
was never installed on the original installation and the program update
somehow enabled the NNTP blocking, but it never gives any setting to
disable it.
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Ah, I misunderstood. I just reinstalled XP with the latest version of
avast! Free Antivirus (a custom install where I unchecked Web Rep and
P2P Shield). In Mail Shield I unchecked NNTP (like always). Usenet works
fine.
 
s|b said:
Ah, I misunderstood. I just reinstalled XP with the latest version of
avast! Free Antivirus (a custom install where I unchecked Web Rep and
P2P Shield). In Mail Shield I unchecked NNTP (like always). Usenet
works fine.
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But the secret is you actually installed the mail shield. I never
installed it, yet the program update enforced its default settings
without giving me a way to disable them. Bad design.
 
But the secret is you actually installed the mail shield. I never
installed it, yet the program update enforced its default settings
without giving me a way to disable them. Bad design.
Click to expand...

Must be a bug because I've done some updates and Mail or P2P were never
enforced. I will certainly check this when there's a new update.
 
badgolferman said:
But the secret is you actually installed the mail shield. I never
installed it, yet the program update enforced its default settings
without giving me a way to disable them. Bad design.
Click to expand...

So you're suggesting that Avast users encumbered with this NNTP blocking
problem uninstall Avast and then do a custom reinstall which includes
the Mail Shield so they can then adjust the NNTP settings. If so, did
you try that? I bet if you did, it still wouldn't have helped. Since
the transparent NNTP proxy wasn't involved in your setup (because you
omitted the Mail Shield in the install of Avast), something else was
causing the problem.

Did you ever try uninstalling Avast, using their uninstall utility
(http://www.avast.com/en-gb/uninstall-utility), and do a reinstall
(again without the Mail Shield) to see the NNTP problem went away? I
haven't needed their uninstall utility so I don't know if it works if
you already used the normal uninstaller via Add/Remove Programs. It
might want something of the program to exist rather than just go ahead
and cleanup and file and registry remnants left behind by a normal
uninstall.

So how's MSE been working for you so far? I've used it on several hosts
but eventually decide it gets in my way too often. During its updates
my host became almost unusable. When it was scheduled for a scan, it
impacted my host so much that I had to stop the scheduled scan. MSE
excels over both Avira and Avast to disinfect a host but only on the
pests that MSE can detect. MSE has lower detection coverage than Avira
or Avast, so you're choice is better disinfection or better prevention.
I do daily full & incremental image backups as my means of recovery so
disinfection is a major concern for me, and if the pest doesn't get in
then I don't have to disinfect. MSE is simpler to use and doesn't get
in the way as much as the more robust AV programs. If MSE gives you the
security comfort level you like then keep using it. If you want to
retry Avast in the future and you hit the same NNTP blocking (but all
other protocols are working okay) then come on back for help.
 
VanguardLH said:
of >> avast! Free Antivirus (a custom install where I unchecked Web
Rep and >> P2P Shield). In Mail Shield I unchecked NNTP (like
always). Usenet >> works fine.

So you're suggesting that Avast users encumbered with this NNTP
blocking problem uninstall Avast and then do a custom reinstall which
includes the Mail Shield so they can then adjust the NNTP settings.
If so, did you try that? I bet if you did, it still wouldn't have
helped. Since the transparent NNTP proxy wasn't involved in your
setup (because you omitted the Mail Shield in the install of Avast),
something else was causing the problem.
Click to expand...

I'm not suggesting other Avast users do anything other than be informed
of what may be causing their problem if they suddenly find out their
NNTP service doesn't work anymore. Isn't that the purpose of Usenet?
Did you ever try uninstalling Avast, using their uninstall utility
(http://www.avast.com/en-gb/uninstall-utility), and do a reinstall
(again without the Mail Shield) to see the NNTP problem went away? I
haven't needed their uninstall utility so I don't know if it works if
you already used the normal uninstaller via Add/Remove Programs. It
might want something of the program to exist rather than just go ahead
and cleanup and file and registry remnants left behind by a normal
uninstall.
Click to expand...

No, I did not reinstall Avast after I realized what had happened. I
was trying to fix it now and not get into troubleshooting the cause of
the problem.
So how's MSE been working for you so far? I've used it on several
hosts but eventually decide it gets in my way too often. During its
updates my host became almost unusable. When it was scheduled for a
scan, it impacted my host so much that I had to stop the scheduled
scan. MSE excels over both Avira and Avast to disinfect a host but
only on the pests that MSE can detect. MSE has lower detection
coverage than Avira or Avast, so you're choice is better disinfection
or better prevention. I do daily full & incremental image backups as
my means of recovery so disinfection is a major concern for me, and
if the pest doesn't get in then I don't have to disinfect. MSE is
simpler to use and doesn't get in the way as much as the more robust
AV programs. If MSE gives you the security comfort level you like
then keep using it. If you want to retry Avast in the future and you
hit the same NNTP blocking (but all other protocols are working okay)
then come on back for help.
Click to expand...

MSE is okay, but I prefer Avira over them all. Once I grow tired of
this one and am in the mood for customizing the program I will put
Avira back on. Avast will have to wait its turn another day.
 
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