ATTN: Mike Brannigan or any other MS employees

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Lorne Smith

What with all the stupid flaming and downright insulting posts and all the
vile language going on in these groups lately, do you think it worth
thinking about moderating these groups again?

I know it means more work for some of you, but it's getting silly in
here....

Regards

Lorne
 
Oh I block them regularly, but when certain posters just keep changing their
names, it's getting harder & harder :) Before long I might have to give my
killfile it's own drive! :)

I fully understand moderation is not where MS want to go, but I do think at
least filters to remove posts containing offensive language are certainly a
good way to go... I mean.. kids access these groups too!

Lorne
 
I'm all for freedom of speech... I just think foul language and personal
attacks on certain people are totally uncalled for and should be removed...
They're distracting for the actual purpose of these groups which is to help
people...

Lorne
 
Lorne Smith said:
What with all the stupid flaming and downright insulting posts and all the
vile language going on in these groups lately, do you think it worth
thinking about moderating these groups again?

You pillock! These groups are public, and as such, servers from all over the world download these messages, store them, then are accessed by anyone subscribed to a specific NNTP server, which have access to these groups here. So, no ****ing matter what you arsed thoughts are, any messages not moderated before being downloaded to those servers are all on usenet, with nothing that any MS moderator can change, other than what is on the MS servers!

I know it means more work for some of you, but it's getting silly in
here....

Then **** off!
 
*sigh* I rest my case...

I'm here to help people not insult them... why don't YOU leave instead? You
contribute nothing of worth here....

Oh, and not that you'll give a damn, but PLONK (been meaning to do that all
week...)

Lorne

"Ted" <"""""""> wrote in message

Lorne Smith said:
What with all the stupid flaming and downright insulting posts and all the
vile language going on in these groups lately, do you think it worth
thinking about moderating these groups again?

You pillock! These groups are public, and as such, servers from all over the
world download these messages, store them, then are accessed by anyone
subscribed to a specific NNTP server, which have access to these groups
here. So, no ******* matter what you ***** thoughts are, any messages not
moderated before being downloaded to those servers are all on usenet, with
nothing that any MS moderator can change, other than what is on the MS
servers!

I know it means more work for some of you, but it's getting silly in
here....

Then **** off!
 
sqr said:
What does *plonk* mean anyways?

It has traditionally meant (or as close as I can remember it) - Put Loser on
Killfile
An acronym for the action of placing a person on your killfile or in Outlook
Express terms - adding someone to your Blocked Senders list so you never see
messages in newsgroups from them again.
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Regards,

Mike
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Please note I cannot respond to e-mailed questions, please use these
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Oh...I thought it meant 'Person with Little Or No Knowledge', someone who
posts without knowing what they're talking about, therefore one whose posts
you want to avoid. This is how PLONK came to be associated with the
killfile. At least, that's the way I heard it.

In this group, I also plonk SNERTS (Snot-Nosed Egotistical Rude TeenagerS).

Mike Mulligan
 
Hi Mike - From the Acronym Finder:

PLONK
PLONK stands for:


a.. Person Leaving Our Newsgroup (Killfiltered)
b.. Person Leaving Our Newsgroup (kill filtered)
c.. Person with Little Or No Knowledge
d.. Pewien Lamer Opuscil Nasza Kompanie (Polish)
e.. Put Lamer On Kill Filter (USENET)


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Regards, Jim Byrd, MS-MVP
Please respond in original thread in Newsgroup.




In (e-mail address removed), Mike Brannigan [MSFT] typed:
sqr said:
What does *plonk* mean anyways?

It has traditionally meant (or as close as I can remember it) - Put Loser on
Killfile
An acronym for the action of placing a person on your killfile or in Outlook
Express terms - adding someone to your Blocked Senders list so you never see
messages in newsgroups from them again.
--
Regards,

Mike
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rights

Please note I cannot respond to e-mailed questions, please use these
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Anonymity has never been part of any doctrine of free speech.


who the hell told you that......pfffffftt
 
Inline..

kurttrail said:
That would be your personal opinion. Quite frankly, the people I've
seen being personally attack, deserve it & more.

There's NO justification for the kind of language we've been seeing in here
lately...
They're distracting for the actual purpose of

Only to the "Politically Correct uber alles" crowd. Most adults have
learned to ignore the childish antics, and have gone about the business
of helping.

Of course, you do understand that your WHINING is only setting yourself
up to be the next victim on the Hit Parade, don't you?

They can flame me as much as they like... I couldn't care less... As for
being PC... I'm not PC at all as far as I know... I just think the kind of
language and behaviour we've been getting in here is completely out of
order. Surely you don't condone the use of vile language where children are
likely to be present? I'm sure you wouldn't want your kids to call you some
of the names that have been bandied around here lately!

Do you frequent public places where strangers are screaming obscenities in
your face all the time? Would you listen to it without commenting? Of
course you wouldn't.... If these idiots tried that sort of thing face to
face I'm pretty sure they'd quickly learn exactly what goes on in the ER...

Sure, you flame people if you want... but resorting to vile language is the
last resort of a feeble mind...
 
Ron said:
Accountability for what you say is also a fundamental part of free
speech.

Anonymity has never been part of any doctrine of free speech.

Free speech means a right to express opinions and argue a case, no
matter how much it may be contrary to conventional wisdom, 'political
correctness' or whatever. Hence that saying attributed (incorrectly) to
Voltaire 'I disagree with every word you say, but will defend to the
death your right to say it'.

But it has to be moderated in relation to form of expression, especially
when directed at individuals. Hence the law of libel. And in a context
like this one it does not cover making obscene insults gratuitously at
others. I have seen several posts which could be seen as actionable if
they were clearly within one country's jurisdiction, and subject to
posting here being seen by the courts as 'publication' within the
meaning of the libel laws.
 
Anything said here is actionable in australia. Anyone can sue anyone under australia's libel laws (as Dow Jones found out about something they published in NY). However as the High Court pointed out, if you are unknown in Australia, then the damage would be very minor (and the cash) - and this would stop inappropiate cases.

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Accountability for what you say is also a fundamental part of free
speech.

Anonymity has never been part of any doctrine of free speech.

Free speech means a right to express opinions and argue a case, no
matter how much it may be contrary to conventional wisdom, 'political
correctness' or whatever. Hence that saying attributed (incorrectly) to
Voltaire 'I disagree with every word you say, but will defend to the
death your right to say it'.

But it has to be moderated in relation to form of expression, especially
when directed at individuals. Hence the law of libel. And in a context
like this one it does not cover making obscene insults gratuitously at
others. I have seen several posts which could be seen as actionable if
they were clearly within one country's jurisdiction, and subject to
posting here being seen by the courts as 'publication' within the
meaning of the libel laws.
 
If these idiots tried that sort of thing face to
face I'm pretty sure they'd quickly learn exactly what >goes on in the
ER...

What the heck kind of statement is this? So now your saying you would
inflict some kind of damage on their person. Is this and are you any better
then them if you are now condoning violance.
 
Lorne said:
Inline..



There's NO justification for the kind of language we've been seeing
in here lately...

To your own sensibilities. I grew up in a blue-collar suburban NJ
neighborhood, and I'm not all that sensitive "vile language."
They can flame me as much as they like... I couldn't care less... As
for being PC... I'm not PC at all as far as I know... I just think
the kind of language and behaviour we've been getting in here is
completely out of order.

Yes, just like Justice Potter Stewart, I know what is obscene when I see
it too. But that's just it, what is obscene is up to the viewer, and no
2 viewers of a post see it in quite the same way. What is vile to you,
can just be humorous nonsense to me.
Surely you don't condone the use of vile
language where children are likely to be present?

Surely, you don't condone impressionable children to be able to access
the USENET unsupervised? I play Need For Speed Hot Pursuit 2 to online,
and in chatting between races, it is the little brats that are doing
most of the cursing.

It is the parents' responsibility to protect their children, though I do
mask my own questionable language with asterisks, just in case, but
anyone over the age of ten or twelve can probably figure it out.
I'm sure you
wouldn't want your kids to call you some of the names that have been
bandied around here lately!

Yes, well I've been called quite a few names throughout my life, and I
learned as a child, "Sticks & Stones may hurt my bones, but words will
never hurt me." Even intentionally hurtful words don't faze me.
Do you frequent public places where strangers are screaming
obscenities in your face all the time?

Obviously you never ridden in MTA subways in NYC at rush hour, or gone
to any major league sporting event. Hell, what am I talking about,
there is more cursing and screaming at sporting events involving
children than just about any place that I've ever been.
Would you listen to it
without commenting?

If it is directed at me, I tend to either ignore the BS or embrace it,
but I'd never show that some "vile language" disturbed me in the least.
By showing that it does affect you, you only encourage more of it.
Of course you wouldn't.... If these idiots tried
that sort of thing face to face I'm pretty sure they'd quickly learn
exactly what goes on in the ER...

See, no words can provoke me to perpetrate violent acts.
Sure, you flame people if you want... but resorting to vile language
is the last resort of a feeble mind...

To me, the people with the feeble minds are those that show that they
are affected by "vile language."

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Peace!
Kurt
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microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
http://microscum.kurttrail.com
"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"
 
To your own sensibilities. I grew up in a blue-collar suburban NJ
neighborhood, and I'm not all that sensitive "vile language."


But the problem is that a majority of our (world) community does not accept
such language. The result: a very large off-topic thread that has nothing to
do with windows-xp anymore. Now you will probably say: 'they have to get
used to foul language, that's their problem'. But the fact of the matter is
that many people do not expect and accept such language, resulting in large
off-topic threads. Just take a look at the topics covered in the ng
alt.os.windows-xp: this ng has been "kidnapped" by a few anarchists who
think they can say whatever they want in the name of free speech. Don't get
me wrong: I do not object to free speech, but they better move to a ng
called 'alt.foul.language' or 'alt.obscenities'; there they can insult
anyone as much as they can; and everybody knows what to expect!
Another problem is that it attracts the wrong kind of people. In
alt.os.windows-xp there are people who never talk about windows-xp, it's
always about off-topic issues and it's usually obscene.
And it chases away people who have a good understanding of windows-xp, but
don't want to read that many obscene postings (while they could very well
help other people). That's why the S/N-ratio of alt.os.windows-xp is about
10-20%, very low IMHO

Cheers,

Squeller27
 
from the said:
And just where do you find a law that says that people have the right
to anonymously libel or slander others?

Most of these [cowards] are real hot on their 'rights', but fail to
understand the concept of their 'responsibilities' .. as in being
accountable for what you say. They also have no concept of where
'rights' come from .. they seem to think that the universe owes them a
living, free speech, medicare, food stamps, <whatever>.

Just KF them and move on (maybe MS can put a suitable KF into the CDO
interface release 2.0, for the benefit of newbies .. most forums (which
CDO pretends to be) already trashcan posts which contain certain
swearwords).
 
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