ATI aiw nightmare

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I've been spending the last day or more trying to get my ATI AIW 9800 pro
running without getting the TV failed to initialize message. What I want to
do basically, is use a new display driver (7.1) and KEEP my older,
functional mmc 8.8.00 MMC and Rage Theater drivers, crossbar etc. Everything
worked fine then, until I made the mistake of updating the driver and got
the new Cat 'shit' and the T200 unified driver which messed everything, no
stereo sound, choppy TV. I try to uninstall the T200 unified driver from
control panel but it reappears upon reboot. If I run MMC 8.8.00 with it,
audio is screwed, have to manually turn on 'line in' in my SB audigy mixer..
I try disabling the T200 unified driver ,no TV. And I can't reinstall old
MMC 8.8.00 and associated drivers, I end up in a loop with nothing working.
It's the T200 unified driver or nothing. Should I just toss the AIW for
good and get a Haupaugge? How to I get rid of that T200 unified driver?

Cheers, Michael.
 
H2 said:
I've been spending the last day or more trying to get my ATI AIW 9800 pro
running without getting the TV failed to initialize message. What I want
to do basically, is use a new display driver (7.1) and KEEP my older,
functional mmc 8.8.00 MMC and Rage Theater drivers, crossbar etc.
Everything worked fine then, until I made the mistake of updating the
driver and got the new Cat 'shit' and the T200 unified driver which messed
everything, no stereo sound, choppy TV. I try to uninstall the T200
unified driver from control panel but it reappears upon reboot. If I run
MMC 8.8.00 with it, audio is screwed, have to manually turn on 'line in'
in my SB audigy mixer.. I try disabling the T200 unified driver ,no TV.
And I can't reinstall old MMC 8.8.00 and associated drivers, I end up in a
loop with nothing working. It's the T200 unified driver or nothing.
Should I just toss the AIW for good and get a Haupaugge? How to I get rid
of that T200 unified driver?

Cheers, Michael.
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You will have to totally uninstall all ATI drivers, use DriverCleaner3 to
clean out all ATI files, then on reinstall, do not install the WDM drivers
that are included in the Cat drivers > select Custom install and uncheck
WDM driver box in Cat setup. Only install the WDM drivers that come with
MMC. They are not the same, nor the same version. You want the drivers
that are compatible with the version of MMC that you want to use.
 
H2 said:
I've been spending the last day or more trying to get my ATI AIW 9800 pro
running without getting the TV failed to initialize message. What I want to
do basically, is use a new display driver (7.1) and KEEP my older,
functional mmc 8.8.00 MMC and Rage Theater drivers, crossbar etc. Everything
worked fine then, until I made the mistake of updating the driver and got
the new Cat 'shit' and the T200 unified driver which messed everything, no
stereo sound, choppy TV. I try to uninstall the T200 unified driver from
control panel but it reappears upon reboot. If I run MMC 8.8.00 with it,
audio is screwed, have to manually turn on 'line in' in my SB audigy mixer..
I try disabling the T200 unified driver ,no TV. And I can't reinstall old
MMC 8.8.00 and associated drivers, I end up in a loop with nothing working.
It's the T200 unified driver or nothing. Should I just toss the AIW for
good and get a Haupaugge? How to I get rid of that T200 unified driver?

Cheers, Michael.
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Not a good idea to try to use such wildly different versions. Their's no
reason to use a version of MMC older than 9.06.1. Audio changed from
analog(line-in,aux) to digital(wave) back with the Cat5.3 release. 9.08
works but doesn't support Guide+ properly. The Unified WDM driver was, IIRC,
introduced with Cat6.2. I'd recommend using Cat6.1 and MMC9.06/8. If you
really need to use Cat7.1, use MMC9.16 it may be possible to use the WDM in
Cat7.1 with MMC9.06/8 but I've never tried it.

With this mix and anytime you go back in versions a cleaning should be done.
The manual cleaning at ati.com/install has always worked for me.
 
Captain Midnight said:
Not a good idea to try to use such wildly different versions. Their's no
reason to use a version of MMC older than 9.06.1. Audio changed from
analog(line-in,aux) to digital(wave) back with the Cat5.3 release. 9.08
works but doesn't support Guide+ properly. The Unified WDM driver was,
IIRC,
introduced with Cat6.2. I'd recommend using Cat6.1 and MMC9.06/8. If you
really need to use Cat7.1, use MMC9.16 it may be possible to use the WDM
in
Cat7.1 with MMC9.06/8 but I've never tried it.

With this mix and anytime you go back in versions a cleaning should be
done.
The manual cleaning at ati.com/install has always worked for me.
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Thanks guys, will try again with your suggestions and clean the 'Cat' Box,
lol. 7.1 solved the flight simulator 2004 issues I was having. perhaps I
jumped ahead in drivers too much.

Cheers, Michael.
 
Captain Midnight said:
Not a good idea to try to use such wildly different versions. Their's no
reason to use a version of MMC older than 9.06.1. Audio changed from
analog(line-in,aux) to digital(wave) back with the Cat5.3 release. 9.08
works but doesn't support Guide+ properly. The Unified WDM driver was,
IIRC,
introduced with Cat6.2. I'd recommend using Cat6.1 and MMC9.06/8. If you
really need to use Cat7.1, use MMC9.16 it may be possible to use the WDM
in
Cat7.1 with MMC9.06/8 but I've never tried it.

With this mix and anytime you go back in versions a cleaning should be
done.
The manual cleaning at ati.com/install has always worked for me.
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Hi again Captain M;
I was able to download Cat6.1 and wdm, however I am having trouble finding
MMC 9.06/8. Ati's older drivers page only goes down to Cat6.3. MMC 9-13 is
the earlierst iteration I can find there. Seems ATI has purged themselves of
all MMC's that use the analog line in. :P Any non broken dl links for MMC
9.06/8 out there?

Cheers,
Michael
 
H2 said:
Hi again Captain M;
I was able to download Cat6.1 and wdm, however I am having trouble finding
MMC 9.06/8. Ati's older drivers page only goes down to Cat6.3. MMC 9-13 is
the earlierst iteration I can find there. Seems ATI has purged themselves
of all MMC's that use the analog line in. :P Any non broken dl links for
MMC 9.06/8 out there?

Cheers,
Michael
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On the drivers page at ati.amd.com, choose the TV tuners > HDTV Wonder PCI
card for earlier versions of MMC.
 
PhxGrunge said:
On the drivers page at ati.amd.com, choose the TV tuners > HDTV Wonder PCI
card for earlier versions of MMC.
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Thank you. Stuff sure is buried deep in that website. I was able to get MMC
9.06.1, along with Cat 6.1 everything seems to work as it should, however, I
did not have the option in MMC setup to select LINE IN, like I was able to
do in the old MMC 8.8. Does this mean I'm using the PCI bus for audio? If I
uncheck line in on my SB Audigy mixer settings, I get a buzzing noise with
the audio.

Cheers,
Michael
 
H2 said:
Thank you. Stuff sure is buried deep in that website. I was able to get
MMC 9.06.1, along with Cat 6.1 everything seems to work as it should,
however, I did not have the option in MMC setup to select LINE IN, like I
was able to do in the old MMC 8.8. Does this mean I'm using the PCI bus
for audio? If I uncheck line in on my SB Audigy mixer settings, I get a
buzzing noise with the audio.

Cheers,
Michael
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No, 9.06 has regular line-in audio. 9.08 was first with digital bus sound.

Press Alt+2 for line-in viewing or recording - should be working, does on
mine. If not working, do a repair install of MMC from control panel.
 
H2 said:
Thank you. Stuff sure is buried deep in that website. I was able to get
MMC 9.06.1, along with Cat 6.1 everything seems to work as it should,
however, I did not have the option in MMC setup to select LINE IN, like I
was able to do in the old MMC 8.8. Does this mean I'm using the PCI bus
for audio? If I uncheck line in on my SB Audigy mixer settings, I get a
buzzing noise with the audio.

Cheers,
Michael
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Easy way to check: unplug the audio cable from LINE IN and see if you still
have TV sound.
 
H2 said:
Thank you. Stuff sure is buried deep in that website. I was able to get MMC
9.06.1, along with Cat 6.1 everything seems to work as it should, however, I
did not have the option in MMC setup to select LINE IN, like I was able to
do in the old MMC 8.8. Does this mean I'm using the PCI bus for audio? If I
uncheck line in on my SB Audigy mixer settings, I get a buzzing noise with
the audio.

Cheers,
Michael
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Whether MMC uses analog or digital audio is mostly decided by the WDM
drivers. Digital audio started with the Cat5.3 release. It's possible to
make it use analog but wouldn't recommend it unless you have a specific
reason to. If it was using analog you'd be asked to pick the connector when
the Initialization wizard ran. You need not connect to the line-in or
auxiliary when using digital audio in MMC. Never happened to me but have
seen reports of getting an echo when the analog is left connected.

With my Audigy2, I used "Analog Mix" for recording with analog but with the
digital sound "What U Hear" is appropriate. You may need to play with the
settings to get everything changed for digital. Haven't had to play with it
for a while myself. Another problem is it seems about 20% of the time
installing the ATI software causes problems with the Creative drivers so
they may need reinstalled as well. Make sure you have the latest sound card
drivers too. Earlier versions of the Creative drivers caused problem when
ATI made the AIW sound digital.
 
Thank you. Stuff sure is buried deep in that website. I was able to get MMC
9.06.1, along with Cat 6.1 everything seems to work as it should, however, I
did not have the option in MMC setup to select LINE IN, like I was able to do
in the old MMC 8.8. Does this mean I'm using the PCI bus for audio? If I
uncheck line in on my SB Audigy mixer settings, I get a buzzing noise with the
audio.
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Please post a link. I have been searching for MMC 9.06 for a while.

Thanks,
HB
 
Captain Midnight said:
Whether MMC uses analog or digital audio is mostly decided by the WDM
drivers. Digital audio started with the Cat5.3 release. It's possible to
make it use analog but wouldn't recommend it unless you have a specific
reason to. If it was using analog you'd be asked to pick the connector
when
the Initialization wizard ran. You need not connect to the line-in or
auxiliary when using digital audio in MMC. Never happened to me but have
seen reports of getting an echo when the analog is left connected.

With my Audigy2, I used "Analog Mix" for recording with analog but with
the
digital sound "What U Hear" is appropriate. You may need to play with the
settings to get everything changed for digital. Haven't had to play with
it
for a while myself. Another problem is it seems about 20% of the time
installing the ATI software causes problems with the Creative drivers so
they may need reinstalled as well. Make sure you have the latest sound
card
drivers too. Earlier versions of the Creative drivers caused problem when
ATI made the AIW sound digital.
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Hi, thanks for the response. As long as I have Line In checked off in the
mixer, everything works fine, so I'm not going to persue the elusive Line In
Solution any further, lol. I am not getting the stuttering video and popping
audio like I was getting with the t200 unified thingy so I'm happy . :) By
the time I'm forced to need a newer driver and have no choice in getting the
newer 'bad' Catalyst WDM stuff with it, I'll hopefully be into another new
video card with separate discrete TV card. Much thanks for all the help.
Cheers, Michael.
 
Captain Midnight said:
Whether MMC uses analog or digital audio is mostly decided by the WDM
drivers. Digital audio started with the Cat5.3 release. It's possible to
make it use analog but wouldn't recommend it unless you have a specific
reason to. If it was using analog you'd be asked to pick the connector
when
the Initialization wizard ran. You need not connect to the line-in or
auxiliary when using digital audio in MMC. Never happened to me but have
seen reports of getting an echo when the analog is left connected.

With my Audigy2, I used "Analog Mix" for recording with analog but with
the
digital sound "What U Hear" is appropriate. You may need to play with the
settings to get everything changed for digital. Haven't had to play with
it
for a while myself. Another problem is it seems about 20% of the time
installing the ATI software causes problems with the Creative drivers so
they may need reinstalled as well. Make sure you have the latest sound
card
drivers too. Earlier versions of the Creative drivers caused problem when
ATI made the AIW sound digital.
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Just a short follow up on my updates to my AIW 'nightmare' experience. I
don't like it much when software 'decides' what is best for me. I had line
in connected to the card so I feel I should still be able to make the
choice, at least so I could test it. In any event, I tried cat6.1 and MMC
9.06.1 for awhile, and though the quality of the tv and audio was good,
watching TV while surfing or doing anything else on my PC at the same time
was something else.. just loading a graphic webpage would cause the video to
stutter and audio to drop out for a split second, very annoying. Scrolling
up and down the webpage did similar effects, easily seen by watching, say,
CNN and watching their text crawl jerking along on the bottom of the screen
(Crawl is good for something at least, lol) So I uninstalled all the AIW
drivers, rebooted, let XP try to find the unknown stuff in the wizard,
reboot again, then installed latest cat 7.2 vid driver, and then got a used
Hauppauge WinTV pvr 150. That works much better, finally no poppy jerky
video and sound. Alas, in that case too, PCI audio seems the norm these
days, worth a try though as I admit defeat, but at least everything works on
the Hauppauge. Hardware encoding is worth it alone. It seems to get past the
digital issues by having a 2 or 3 second delay buffer or something. The AIW
remote control did stay though! It is useful for other applications. At
least I can update the video drivers now and not be forced to take alot of
jerky bloat along with it. No more AIW cards for me.
Cheers, Michael
 
Just a short follow up on my updates to my AIW 'nightmare' experience. I don't
like it much when software 'decides' what is best for me. I had line in
connected to the card so I feel I should still be able to make the choice, at
least so I could test it. In any event, I tried cat6.1 and MMC 9.06.1 for
awhile, and though the quality of the tv and audio was good, watching TV while
surfing or doing anything else on my PC at the same time was something else..
just loading a graphic webpage would cause the video to stutter and audio to
drop out for a split second, very annoying. Scrolling up and down the webpage
did similar effects, easily seen by watching, say, CNN and watching their text
crawl jerking along on the bottom of the screen (Crawl is good for something
at least, lol) So I uninstalled all the AIW drivers, rebooted, let XP try to
find the unknown stuff in the wizard, reboot again, then installed latest cat
7.2 vid driver, and then got a used Hauppauge WinTV pvr 150. That works much
better, finally no poppy jerky video and sound. Alas, in that case too, PCI
audio seems the norm these days, worth a try though as I admit defeat, but at
least everything works on the Hauppauge. Hardware encoding is worth it alone.
It seems to get past the digital issues by having a 2 or 3 second delay buffer
or something. The AIW remote control did stay though! It is useful for other
applications. At least I can update the video drivers now and not be forced to
take alot of jerky bloat along with it. No more AIW cards for me.
Click to expand...

Thanks for the update. I'm considering doing the same!
 
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