Athlon XP 2400+ fried in an hour?

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Aaron

Hi,

I've built dozens of systems over the years, so have some experience
at this. Recently installed an XP 2400+ with AMD stock HSU/fan into a
Shuttle AK32 MB that previously held an Athlon 1100. Stock HSU
attached as per instructions, as usual. Definitely installed in
correct orientation. Did not meddle with thermal compound, used stock
as installed on HSU.

Booted up machine for approx. 20 minute test session -- all seemed
well. CPU identified correctly. Unfortunately, this machine did not
have MBM or other temp apps on it so I didn't have any readings
available. Shut down machine.

Next day, booted up machine again and began playing a DVD. Operated
normally for approx. 45 minutes, when the playback then locked up and
froze hard -- image stuck on screen, screeching sound from speakers.
Computer did not respond to any further input; eventually powered
down. Re-booted and computer froze on POST screen. Re-booted again --
nothing. Many reboot attempts and not even a single POST screen after
that. I started to wonder if the CPU had fried.

I once fried an Athlon with a bad HSU install, but that baby fried in
seconds. Does it make sense that this one might have operated for an
hour+ before baking itself? Is this possible? Eventually I
re-installed the original Athlon 1100 and it has been working fine,
clearing any other components as possible culprits. I tried
re-installing the 2400 with silver thermal grease but, again, nothing
-- dead as a doornail, I guess. I'm assuming I can't replace this
under warranty since they would claim the overheating was an
installation error and/or I later used silver grease?

Just looking for people's opinions ... I'm kind of gun shy about
buying another XP 2400 for this system, unless maybe I used a
souped-up HSU rather than stock ...

thanks
Aaron
 
Aaron said:
Hi,

I've built dozens of systems over the years, so have some experience
at this. Recently installed an XP 2400+ with AMD stock HSU/fan into a
Shuttle AK32 MB that previously held an Athlon 1100. Stock HSU
attached as per instructions, as usual. Definitely installed in
correct orientation. Did not meddle with thermal compound, used stock
as installed on HSU.

Booted up machine for approx. 20 minute test session -- all seemed
well. CPU identified correctly. Unfortunately, this machine did not
have MBM or other temp apps on it so I didn't have any readings
available. Shut down machine.

Next day, booted up machine again and began playing a DVD. Operated
normally for approx. 45 minutes, when the playback then locked up and
froze hard -- image stuck on screen, screeching sound from speakers.
Computer did not respond to any further input; eventually powered
down. Re-booted and computer froze on POST screen. Re-booted again --
nothing. Many reboot attempts and not even a single POST screen after
that. I started to wonder if the CPU had fried.

I once fried an Athlon with a bad HSU install, but that baby fried in
seconds. Does it make sense that this one might have operated for an
hour+ before baking itself? Is this possible? Eventually I
re-installed the original Athlon 1100 and it has been working fine,
clearing any other components as possible culprits. I tried
re-installing the 2400 with silver thermal grease but, again, nothing
-- dead as a doornail, I guess. I'm assuming I can't replace this
under warranty since they would claim the overheating was an
installation error and/or I later used silver grease?

Just looking for people's opinions ... I'm kind of gun shy about
buying another XP 2400 for this system, unless maybe I used a
souped-up HSU rather than stock ...
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i think you should inspect the unit carefully with a magnifying glass to see
if there are any signs
of burning

i had a similar thing recently happen with a new XP1800+ cpu...
i had been using a newly built machine for about a week
and i *had* been monitoring temp and it was quite low.(40C)
the machine had worked fine...then one day...
just did not boot up...
i assumed the mobo died...but after substituting another cpu
all was well...so the cpu had died.

now i have definately seen overheated CPU's and the burning on them is
fairly obvious
and this one had nothing on it that looked like it had been overheated...
so i contacted my supplier and got an RMA for warranty replacement...
that was about a week ago, so i don't know 100% for sure if it was a
warranty problem...
but it has a 1 year warranty so hopefully it will be replaced.

if your CPU does not have any burn marks on it and looks fine...
i;d see if you can get warranty on it

i;ve had two AMD cpu's get *extremely* hot when a cpu fan has failed
and neither one of them was damaged!
 
Where is the sensor for the cpu? My Asus board has some type of temperature
monitor. (pc probe) ? Is this an accurate utility?
 
somebody® said:
Where is the sensor for the cpu? My Asus board has some type of temperature
monitor. (pc probe) ? Is this an accurate utility?
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Different boards have different types of sensors. Older boards did not
make use of the on-die thermal diode that AMD built into their CPUs.
Insetad, they used a temperature sensor position under the CPU in the
socket. Current motherboards should be making use of the on-die thermal
sensor which is more accurate and enables faster emergency shutdown.

Ari
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Just looking for people's opinions ... I'm kind of gun shy about
buying another XP 2400 for this system, unless maybe I used a
souped-up HSU rather than stock ...

thanks
Aaron
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A PSU on its last leg might run the smaller chip fine and not the
larger one. Running the DVD drive was putting a strain on the PSU. You
could get a PSU somewhere with a good return policy like CC and return
it if it doesn't help. Any good reseller should take that chip back if
you're within 30 days of recieving it. BTW, any older boards I had
with a CPU around 1100, won't support a 2400+. Just saying that
suprises me a little.
 
spodosaurus said:
Different boards have different types of sensors. Older boards did not
make use of the on-die thermal diode that AMD built into their CPUs.
Insetad, they used a temperature sensor position under the CPU in the
socket. Current motherboards should be making use of the on-die thermal
sensor which is more accurate and enables faster emergency shutdown.

Ari
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on one of my machines where the cpu fan failed...
the unit shut down due to the sensor on the motherboard...
even though the cpu was not damaged in the least...
that motherboard never worked right again...
it shuts down after about a minute or so...i suspect the sensor itself was
permanently
damaged
 
You
could get a PSU somewhere with a good return policy like CC and return
it if it doesn't help.
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Puh-lease.

Don't buy something just to use it as a piece of test equipment. Buy it
and keep it. Return it if defective only. Sheesh.
 
_________________________________________________________

Puh-lease.

Don't buy something just to use it as a piece of test equipment. Buy it
and keep it. Return it if defective only. Sheesh.
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You can't return it to CC if it's defective, exchange only.
 
A PSU on its last leg might run the smaller chip fine and not the
larger one. Running the DVD drive was putting a strain on the PSU. You
could get a PSU somewhere with a good return policy like CC and return
it if it doesn't help. Any good reseller should take that chip back if
you're within 30 days of recieving it. BTW, any older boards I had
with a CPU around 1100, won't support a 2400+. Just saying that
suprises me a little.
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No. The Shuttle AK32 does not support XP2400+.

This board may also have some problems with ATI videocards.
Via 4in1 4.29 is supposed to have fixed that though.

The AK32A, AK32E and AK32V does support XP2400+, but only T-bred ones.
AK32L, just maybe, and only T-bred.


ancra
 
Thanks, AJ, the PSU idea is an interesting one. I've always advised
other people that PSU's are often one of the first components to go,
so maybe I should take my own advice ;-) I'll find a swap and try it,
assuming that, on closer inspection, the XP 2400 doesn't show any burn
marks.

BTW, I'm using a Shuttle AK32 motherboard and it does support the
Athlon 1100 all the way up to the XP 2400. It says so in the BIOS
readme file here:
http://www.shuttle.com/share/fae/hq/download/bios_rdm/readmeak32a.htm

Anyway thanks again, I'll look into the PSU possibility ...

-Aaron
 
BTW, I'm using a Shuttle AK32 motherboard and it does support the
Athlon 1100 all the way up to the XP 2400. It says so in the BIOS
readme file here:
http://www.shuttle.com/share/fae/hq/download/bios_rdm/readmeak32a.htm
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The chipset support XP2400+, the S306 bios used by the AK32 may
support XP2400+, but according to Shuttle, the board doesn't:

http://www.shuttle.com/share/fae/hq/faq/mainboard/support lists/AK32support.pdf

It also says .18 micron only, which I take to mean that the board only
handles voltages (and currents for the load) for .18 micron chips?

The AK32A with S309 does support .13 micron and XP2400+/.13 micron.


ancra
 
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