Areas that suck badly in RC1

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Graphics Subsystem and Power Management are the areas that still have a
very beta fell(Alpha in the case of Power Management).

I don't know how Microsoft managed to break power management so badly,
it's not like it does anything new over XP...
My laptop sometimes takes 20 minute to recover from hibernation (other
times 20 seconds).
 
Mark Gillespie said:
Graphics Subsystem and Power Management are the areas that still have a very beta fell(Alpha
in the case of Power Management).

I don't know how Microsoft managed to break power management so badly, it's not like it does
anything new over XP...
My laptop sometimes takes 20 minute to recover from hibernation (other times 20 seconds).
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I totally agree about the power management- it really sucks-
pathetic for a release candidate. Sleep/standby is just flat out
broke. That hibernation crap is ridiculous- it takes just
as long or longer to resume from hibernation than it does to
just shut down the computer entirely and boot back up.


-Michael
 
My wireless connection is disabled after wake from sleep. Requires a restart
- easier said than done as the system will not shut down. Hangs at the
shutting down screen and needs to be powered off. Does the power saver mode
actually run the cpu at a lower voltage? BF2 seems to run slower in that
mode! If so that is a good thing. I use P2P and theres no need for my system
to be running at full speed when it's just downloading.

Overall I'm happy so far. Just a few irratating bugs need to be addressed.
 
Strangely, returning from hibernation on my machine is quite fast. Who
knows why this is happening.

--
Leo
Liberal - proof that evolution is not an exact science.
 
"Mark Gillespie"wrote
Graphics Subsystem and Power Management are the areas that still have a
very beta fell(Alpha in the case of Power Management).

I don't know how Microsoft managed to break power management so badly,
it's not like it does anything new over XP...
My laptop sometimes takes 20 minute to recover from hibernation (other
times 20 seconds).
Click to expand...

Power management certainly isn't consistent between platforms. You and
others are having major problems. On my desktop, though, it's working
better than it did in XP. No problems whatsoever. It goes into standby on
time, same with hibernation. Recovery is very fast, and everything works
after. Many of the systems I have noticed with the problems are laptops
which suggest it's the BIOS that's problematic since power handling is often
quite specific for each mode.
 
I think the graphics sub-system is better. Whenever I've used linux, I've
notice the graphics are more crisp on my montior than XP's. I've always
wondered why everything was so much less vibrant in Windows, but when Vista
came along I noticed the graphics were quite a bit better. I don't know if
I'm imagining this, but it sure seems to be the case on my flat pannel /
GeForce 6600 GT.
 
Rock said:
"Mark Gillespie"wrote


Power management certainly isn't consistent between platforms. You and
others are having major problems. On my desktop, though, it's working
better than it did in XP. No problems whatsoever. It goes into standby on
time, same with hibernation. Recovery is very fast, and everything works
after. Many of the systems I have noticed with the problems are laptops
which suggest it's the BIOS that's problematic since power handling is often
quite specific for each mode.
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It seems the power management problems are happening
more often to laptops. On one of my desktops downstairs,
the situation isn't nearly as bad. However, other than that,
Vista on my laptop works really well- better overall than on
the desktop.


-Michael
 
I am able to put my computer to sleep in 8 seconds, resume from sleep to the
logon screen in 3 seconds, and (after typing the password) login in about
1-2 seconds. Amazingly fast... but I'm using the Business version.

Robert Firth
http://www.winvistainfo.org
 
Same here... takes about 5 secs to wake up and ask for my password, and
about another 10 secs after entering.

The only problem beyond that is, it turns off the USB port the mouse is
hooked to (despite having disabled that function is Device Manager for ALL
profiles), and that takes another 15 secs or so to come back online.
 
Mark Gillespie said:
Graphics Subsystem and Power Management are the areas that still have a
very beta fell(Alpha in the case of Power Management).

I don't know how Microsoft managed to break power management so badly,
it's not like it does anything new over XP...
My laptop sometimes takes 20 minute to recover from hibernation (other
times 20 seconds).
Click to expand...


I found another one the explorer behavior. When you activate the UAC then
sometimes coping directories with files fails.
Example - you paste directory you want to move - system asks you if you
really want to create a directory, you agree, then system asks you if you
want to Overwrite this directory ?!? Hmmm....

Another thing is that Calculating time needed to move/copy files takes much
more time than to copy/move these files. No comments ...

I found that coping directories with large number of files from Linux samba
server, finishes with: read error... or Cannot read file no connection,
etc... None of these problems were on XP. and Windows Server 2003/2003SP1.
What's more I can open the same directory in another window without
problems - connection is fine! Of course 'Retry' does not work, still
displaying the error.....


K.
 
Well, my Laptop on Beta2 could not wake up at all (because of video drivers
for Intel GMA 950 missing).

On RC1 is better - I can put it into sleep and I can wake him up that's
something. Unfortunately after waking up I can't use network anymore :>
Both wireless and Ethernet card are like disabled (the connection is up
light are blinking like Christmas tree, but network icon has a red cross)
and after a while I got a blue screen and reboot.
After reboot network works - somehow ... I don't like this feature.... ;-)

Also battery life is limited to 2,5h (from ~3,5h on XP).


BTW: tester on DELL Latitude D820
(Core Duo T2500 + Intel GMA 950 + 1,5GB RAM, Intel Wireless and Broadcom
Eth.).


K.
 
I've seen an estimated time bug when copying files from one directory to
another using Windows Explorer. I had a large amount of files saved to
DVD+R from an XP computer that I wanted to transfer to the Vista computer
(2000+ files @ 3.5 GB.) Since I had UAC disabled, all goes well and the
progress display (by % copied and time remaining) looks like it's
calculating properly.

When around 80% of the total transfer is done, the time remaining suddenly
changes from around 4 minutes 30 seconds to 4 hours and 30 minutes. The
percentage copied and transfer rate still work as expected, but the units of
time change from minutes+seconds to hours+minutes. The remaining transfer
still completes within the expected 4 minutes timeframe, and the remaining
time display corrects itself within the last few seconds. As I said, no
problems actually performing the transfer. it's just a minor time
calculation bug in RC1.
 
RussellS said:
I've seen an estimated time bug when copying files from one directory to
another using Windows Explorer. I had a large amount of files saved to
DVD+R from an XP computer that I wanted to transfer to the Vista computer
(2000+ files @ 3.5 GB.) Since I had UAC disabled, all goes well and the
progress display (by % copied and time remaining) looks like it's
calculating properly.

When around 80% of the total transfer is done, the time remaining suddenly
changes from around 4 minutes 30 seconds to 4 hours and 30 minutes. The
percentage copied and transfer rate still work as expected, but the units
of time change from minutes+seconds to hours+minutes. The remaining
transfer still completes within the expected 4 minutes timeframe, and the
remaining time display corrects itself within the last few seconds. As I
said, no problems actually performing the transfer. it's just a minor time
calculation bug in RC1.
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Same here :-)

Yes indeed some of described problems are gone when I turn off UAC. No more
questions about creating directories. Still, large quantity of files, copied
via network, still makes "Calculating..." a bit harder than normal, and the
read error from samba server is still there :-/

Also problems with network and notebook sleeping mode are not gone, without
UAC.

There is something strange with I/O priorities, when I normally use
computer, having IM running, web browser, Mail, etc. I tried to copy ~1,5GB
in 75 files via network and my transfer rate was ~500KB/s (on 100Mbit not
busy Eth. ??). I had to cancel and start coping again to have ~6MB/s.
Strange..



Best regards,
K.
 
Here it does not affect my USB mouse. I suppose the Gods are smiling on me
lately.

--
Leo
Liberal - proof that evolution is not an exact science.
 
What is your hardware?
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Sony Vaio FS-295XP Laptop (Pentium M 1.85, 1GB RAM).

Strangly, my Intel Core 2 Duo homebuilt system, running x64 Vista RC1
behaves MUCH better...
 
Graphics Subsystem and Power Management are the areas that still have a
very beta fell(Alpha in the case of Power Management).

I don't know how Microsoft managed to break power management so badly,
it's not like it does anything new over XP...
My laptop sometimes takes 20 minute to recover from hibernation
(other times 20 seconds).
Click to expand...

The graphics subsystem is also badly broken. Play a movie fullscreen, and
it kill the display, I can still do stuff, I just can't see it. I get
regular screen corruption, in particular, when in Power-saver mode.
 
Now, I'm gonna knock on wood before I say this (knock Knock)
Hibernate, sleep, start-up, shut down... No problems here
I have had no problems what so ever with these things. It starts up great,
goes to sleep when I want it to, and wakes up quickly. At first I forgot to
change the power settings and closed my lid, the computer went to sleep,
opened the lid, pushed the power button once, 20 seconds later, was at the
sign on screen. No sooner did I push the enter button, and everyting was
running as if I had never left. Mose still works, internet still in tact.
Now, I am running a HP 7030us Notebook, 3.06Ghz, 2Gb, 80-250-250 hard drive
set up, int - ext (Fire) - ext (USB), NVIDIA GeForce FX Go5600. RC1, WLOC, &
office 2007 Beta 2.
 
KrzysztofM said:
On RC1 is better - I can put it into sleep and I can wake him up that's
something. Unfortunately after waking up I can't use network anymore :>
Both wireless and Ethernet card are like disabled (the connection is up
light are blinking like Christmas tree, but network icon has a red cross)
and after a while I got a blue screen and reboot.
After reboot network works - somehow ... I don't like this feature.... ;-)
Click to expand...

Not sure if your wireless adapter is USB based, I had wireless problems with
my WLAN mini USB network adapter on my Dell Dimension desktop. After coming
out of sleep, the adapter lights were on but Vista wasn't detecting any
wireless networks. I fixed the problem by disabling windows power management
for this device. Details follow.
1. Go to properties for your wireless card and click the Configure button.
2. Click the "Power Management" tab and uncheck "Allow the computer to turn
off this device to save power".
3. My driver had a "Power Save Mode" property under the "Advanced" tab,
which I set to "Enabled". Setting it to "Disabled" didn't help with the
sleep/wakeup issue.
 
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