Are we in BIG troubles Guys ??

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Hi,

I think we are in big trouybles with Vista RTM.
I "love" the product and install ot witout any trouble BUT when you begin to
install what you need problems are coming.
UAC is not the spource of the problem for me (I think).
I disable it to be sure to be able to install "correctly" some application
not yet compatible with Vista (may be it is the point ... application are not
compatible !).
I saw many person complaining about "access denied" problem, "don't have
permission" problem, and so on after installing "microsoft" program ... so is
there a big "hole" ?
Personnaly, for instance, I have many directoriess where I can't write back.
I get "you don't have permission to do this" ... and I'm administrator.
Now, I have a problem with Thunderbird and try to re-install. DAMNED !! I
can't re-install. The installer say "Access denied" !!!

I really hope to hear from Guys working to microsoft and give us some way to
recolve that or ... mays be give us a first litle service pack for Vista ...

I really hope to have news because I'm a little bit stuck and become nervous
:-)

Waiting from you ... THANKS !

Pierre
 
PierreDa said:
Hi,

I think we are in big trouybles with Vista RTM.
I "love" the product and install ot witout any trouble BUT when you
begin to install what you need problems are coming.
UAC is not the spource of the problem for me (I think).
I disable it to be sure to be able to install "correctly" some
application not yet compatible with Vista (may be it is the point ...
application are not compatible !).
I saw many person complaining about "access denied" problem, "don't
have permission" problem, and so on after installing "microsoft"
program ... so is there a big "hole" ?
Personnaly, for instance, I have many directoriess where I can't
write back. I get "you don't have permission to do this" ... and I'm
administrator.
Now, I have a problem with Thunderbird and try to re-install. DAMNED
!! I can't re-install. The installer say "Access denied" !!!

I really hope to hear from Guys working to microsoft and give us some
way to recolve that or ... mays be give us a first litle service pack
for Vista ...

I really hope to have news because I'm a little bit stuck and become
nervous :-)
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Vista has changed the way it handles a lot of stuff internally compared to
older versions of Windows. A lot of things that Microsoft documented as "bad
practice" but let developers get away with have been tightened down at last.
You can try running programs that have problems in compatability mode for
older versions of Windows (right click on the shortcut to find this) but you
may also have to accept 2 things at this point

1) a lot of programs will need updates from their manufacturer to work
properly.
2) To the world at last outside the sort of people who post in groups like
this, Vista isn't really 'released' yet. A lot of companies are not going to
have those updates ready yet, and many of them will not be rushing just yet
as Vista isn't generally available.
 
The only problems I ever encountered with access denied was trying to access
an XP partition when UAC was enabled. I don't dual boot any longer and
"perhaps" know which products work on Vista and which don't. It can't be too
long before software companies Vista proof their software, XP allowed
software dens to be lazy, now they'll have to re educate themselves little.

Colin T
 
Robert Moir said:
Vista has changed the way it handles a lot of stuff internally compared to
older versions of Windows. A lot of things that Microsoft documented as "bad
practice" but let developers get away with have been tightened down at last.
You can try running programs that have problems in compatability mode for
older versions of Windows (right click on the shortcut to find this) but you
may also have to accept 2 things at this point

1) a lot of programs will need updates from their manufacturer to work
properly.
2) To the world at last outside the sort of people who post in groups like
this, Vista isn't really 'released' yet. A lot of companies are not going to
have those updates ready yet, and many of them will not be rushing just yet
as Vista isn't generally available.
Click to expand...
 
Three suggestions:

1) Turn UAC back on and try installing the programs. Turning off UAC may
cause the program to fail silently. Having UAC on may give you a UAC prompt
allowing the program to continue.

2) Try using Run as administrator to install the programs.

3) Try using compatibility mode to install the programs.
 
I solved that same problem by taking "Ownership" of the drive or folder.
Right-click, choose properties, then the security tab, highlight your user
name and click Advanced. Click owner tab, click Edit, choose your user name
in the list and DON'T FORGET to tick the "Replace owner on subcontainers and
objects" box. Click apply and let it do it's thing. It may take awhile.
I've done this a couple of times with different partitions without ill
affect, but IF anyone knows this is unsafe, please let me know. Thanks.
zanderqin
 
Thanks.
I try to take ownership but failed to change it for the folders for which I
receive "You need permission to perform this action" ... :-(

Pierre
 
Hi,

I try each option you give ... with no success !
Keep receiving "You need permission to perform this action" on some folders
or "Access denied" when trying to install some programs.

Thanks

regards

Pierre
 
Then those programs will have to be rewritten for Vista. If the developer
can't or won't and you need to run those programs then you'll have to do so
in a virtual machine with a different OS or not use Vista on that computer.
 
OK !
It becomes "clear" that's a compatibility problem. I prefer that !
But still a bit difficult to understand why this message as I have all the
rights and permissions ...
Thanks
Pierre
 
The program is trying to access either a restricted area of the registry or
file system and not asking Vista first. If the program is rewritten for
Vista the developer can either change the program to access permitted areas
or ask the user for permission by informing Vista that the program needs
this access. The user will get a uac prompt then access will be granted or
not depending on the user's response.
 
Thanks for the explanation.
That's for the "program execution and installation" part ...
But what's concerning the fact that I can't write back a backup file to a
directory ?
Ok, may be the program was "mis-installed" but I have all the rights and
can't write back my files ... (you need the permission to perform this
action) ...
 
No problems here and many have copied. Some kind of setup problem for you.
As a test, try logging on in safe mode AS Administrator (not just
administrative privileges) and try your copy and see if this changes
anything. Check permissions and change if necessary first.
 
I have 4 drives in my computer. Three of them have data from prior Windows
XP installations. Some of this data goes back to windows 95 days. I have no
problem at all writing data from the three drives to my Windows Vista drive.

You have a setup problem or did something wrong. I wasn't looking over your
shoulder as you set up your computer so I can't tell you what you did wrong.
BUT, there is "not" a bug that prevents the copying of data into a Vista
system drive.

It may be the program (backup program?) that you are using to try to do
this.

I can also bring over files from another computer (server) on my home
network at will.

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Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
 
The ACLs have changed quite a bit in Vista. Places where you used to have
permissions in XP you don't in Vista. There are junctions to fool old
programs into thinking folders exist that don't really exist. It sounds like
a permissions problem with the destination. I'll ask you the same thing I
asked PierreDa and never got an answer to. What is the full path to the
folder where you are trying to copy the files to?
 
I can sympathize with your having problems with Vista, but
if others are not experiencing the same problems, how can
you expect them to have any ideas on how to correct the
problems? The suggestions offered are an effort to help you
isolate and correct your problem.

I see all kinds of reported problems posted. Some of the
problems posted are on the same hardware I have, but I am
not experiencing the problems. In these cases I am led to
presume the problem is neither hardware nor software based,
but something in the setup or configuration. I have both
x86 and x64 versions of Vista RC2 running and I have yet to
have a single problem with either of them.

I finally gave up trying to offer suggestions because of
those, like you, that get irritated because others weren't
having the same problems.

If you know of some way for people to know what your
problems are when they are not experiencing the same
problems, please let me know how one goes about that. I
would truly like to know how anyone could accomplish this.
 
I haven't seen your problem and I am able to do that which you can not.
Configuration differences? Setup differences? Who knows. But without having
the two machines side-by-side it is impossible to do an A-B comparison.

Again, I can copy files from anywhere and put them on my Vista partition.

If you did an upgrade install - try again with a clean install. Try
everything you would do in Windows XP if you had the same problem. Install
Vista with only the bare minimum of hardware connected (one hard drive, DVD
drive, video card, keyboard, mouse). See if everything works. Then connect
ONE addition device at a time, install the drivers and check again. If
everything is OK, do the same with your chosen software - one program at a
time with a reboot in between. You have the computer in front of you. We/I
do not.

Something in "your" system/setup is causing the problem. It is NOT a
universal condition that everyone is experiencing.

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Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
 
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